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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43251 Posts
September 10 2025 21:01 GMT
#104121
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.

It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
September 10 2025 21:01 GMT
#104122
On September 11 2025 05:58 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:23 oBlade wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

The spoiled derangement of leftism when it doesn't get its way continues to result in lashing out and murdering anyone who they can't defeat with ideas.


The spoiled derangement of rightism when it doesn't get its way continues to result in lashing out and murdering anyone who they can't defeat with ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators

Nobody supports this.

On the other hand,

Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.

Shooting random moderate media figures is a "start."

Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.

It's entirely possible people might use these waves of violence as some kind of political tool to justify policies that stop waves of violence.


Charlie Kirk is neither random nor moderate.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland495 Posts
September 10 2025 21:02 GMT
#104123
This was and will be bad, but this level of political violence is not really new. Just not that frequent yet. However, the actions that are to be taken by Trump and Republicans would have been taken anyway at some point, most likely.

Also, Kirk was apparently cursed by witches a few days ago. So, maybe that will be an angle in this. Kirk was Christian after all. https://www.jezebel.com/we-paid-some-etsy-witches-to-curse-charlie-kirk
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
888 Posts
September 10 2025 21:03 GMT
#104124
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 10 2025 21:05 GMT
#104125
Ok, this is unacceptable. I'm honestly a bit pissed right now.

I dropped my cookie and it broke.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26058 Posts
September 10 2025 21:05 GMT
#104126
On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.

Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21955 Posts
September 10 2025 21:05 GMT
#104127
Man openly advocating that the 2nd amendment is worth a couple of deaths gets shot mid sentence while trivializing gun violence, I'd say god has a sense of humour.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
September 10 2025 21:07 GMT
#104128
On September 11 2025 06:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Man openly advocating that the 2nd amendment is worth a couple of deaths gets shot mid sentence while trivializing gun violence, I'd say god has a sense of humour.


His last Instagram post, made on March 24th, has the caption "Play certain games, win certain prizes": https://www.instagram.com/charliekirk1776/reel/DHmK3YgSsNf/?hl=en
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5767 Posts
September 10 2025 21:08 GMT
#104129
On September 11 2025 05:58 KwarK wrote:
What is being done to immigrants every day by Trump's brownshirts is political violence. What is being done by police officers embolded by Trump's "don't be too gentle with suspects" rhetoric is political violence. When Trump's opponents are investigated by the FBI on trumped up charges that's political violence. What is being done by shooters every day in schools is political violence. When a woman can't access a medically necessary abortion that's political violence. Every thing done to Kilmar Abrego Garcia was political violence. Conservatives have successfully normalized hurting what they view as the wrong people. That's where we're at now.

And as for rule of law, it's dead. There's a convicted felon who has also been found guilty of raping a woman in the White House. He's on tape confessing to leaking classified documents. He openly takes and solicits bribes. He accepts hundreds of millions of dollars in gifts from foreign states.

So why not shoot Charlie Kirk? "It's against the rules?" What fucking rules. We used to have a set of rules we all agreed to but that was thrown out. Now we have this. "You're not meant to hurt your political enemies". Nah, I'm pretty sure you are. We had a big vote on it last year and the majority agreed that actually it's fine. Personally I voted the other way but elections have consequences.

I'll grieve for the innocent victims of Trump's brownshirts. I'll grieve for the people who die from denial of medical care in facilities where they're held without trial. I'll grieve for the society we lost in the last few years. But Charlie Kirk? Man, that's just funny.

Criminals are the wrong people in normal society. They are not a part of any side. Thinking criminals are an oppressed political class that you align with is your prerogative, it's just extremely ill-advised.

Shooting people you disagree with is why everything you personally believe in has no future, and it's why you're too weak to do it yourself other than shitpost about grenading SCOTUS and then add "in Minecraft" like you fooled everyone.

You dragged in so much other baggage that I won't even bother explaining why that's beneath civilized society to say the president you don't like sharing information classified under the president's authority is somehow part of why it's okay for someone to shoot a totally different person speaking at an event. You don't shoot random people, famous or not, because you didn't get your way once.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8642 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-10 21:11:21
September 10 2025 21:09 GMT
#104130
On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.

It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs.


a human being is dead, one with influential friends in the highest offices of the land. and a very special one at the top currently filled with a corrupt to the core maniac.

a lot changed, now they have pretext.
in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
888 Posts
September 10 2025 21:11 GMT
#104131
On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.

Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way


Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43251 Posts
September 10 2025 21:12 GMT
#104132
On September 11 2025 06:08 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 05:58 KwarK wrote:
What is being done to immigrants every day by Trump's brownshirts is political violence. What is being done by police officers embolded by Trump's "don't be too gentle with suspects" rhetoric is political violence. When Trump's opponents are investigated by the FBI on trumped up charges that's political violence. What is being done by shooters every day in schools is political violence. When a woman can't access a medically necessary abortion that's political violence. Every thing done to Kilmar Abrego Garcia was political violence. Conservatives have successfully normalized hurting what they view as the wrong people. That's where we're at now.

And as for rule of law, it's dead. There's a convicted felon who has also been found guilty of raping a woman in the White House. He's on tape confessing to leaking classified documents. He openly takes and solicits bribes. He accepts hundreds of millions of dollars in gifts from foreign states.

So why not shoot Charlie Kirk? "It's against the rules?" What fucking rules. We used to have a set of rules we all agreed to but that was thrown out. Now we have this. "You're not meant to hurt your political enemies". Nah, I'm pretty sure you are. We had a big vote on it last year and the majority agreed that actually it's fine. Personally I voted the other way but elections have consequences.

I'll grieve for the innocent victims of Trump's brownshirts. I'll grieve for the people who die from denial of medical care in facilities where they're held without trial. I'll grieve for the society we lost in the last few years. But Charlie Kirk? Man, that's just funny.

Criminals are the wrong people in normal society. They are not a part of any side. Thinking criminals are an oppressed political class that you align with is your prerogative, it's just extremely ill-advised.

Shooting people you disagree with is why everything you personally believe in has no future, and it's why you're too weak to do it yourself other than shitpost about grenading SCOTUS and then add "in Minecraft" like you fooled everyone.

You dragged in so much other baggage that I won't even bother explaining why that's beneath civilized society to say the president you don't like sharing information classified under the president's authority is somehow part of why it's okay for someone to shoot a totally different person speaking at an event. You don't shoot random people, famous or not, because you didn't get your way once.

What civilized society are you talking about? The suspects that Trump was encouraging police to hurt during arrests aren't criminals and won't be until convicted by a jury of their peers.

Trump said you'd win so hard you'd get tired of winning. Promises made, promises kept.

I'll tell you what though, I'll meet you halfway. If you'd like I'll open MS Paint and superimpose MS13 somewhere on Charlie Kirk's face with a floating textbox. Then this'll be fine.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43251 Posts
September 10 2025 21:13 GMT
#104133
On September 11 2025 06:09 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.

It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs.


a human being is dead, one with influential friends in the highest offices of the land. and a very special one at the top currently filled with a corrupt to the core maniac.

a lot changed, now they have pretext.

Trump hasn't had any friends since Epstein's island got shut down lol.
He gives zero fucks about Charlie.

Again, he was going to do whatever he does anyway.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26058 Posts
September 10 2025 21:15 GMT
#104134
On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:
On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.

Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way


Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough.

They could also try not behaving like Nazis, or cheerleading such behaviour, might help.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43251 Posts
September 10 2025 21:17 GMT
#104135
On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:
On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.

Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way


Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough.

This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
September 10 2025 21:18 GMT
#104136
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 10 2025 21:20 GMT
#104137
Guns may not save lives, but they did save my day.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
September 10 2025 21:22 GMT
#104138
On September 11 2025 06:09 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.

It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs.


a human being is dead, one with influential friends in the highest offices of the land. and a very special one at the top currently filled with a corrupt to the core maniac.

a lot changed, now they have pretext.


I think that the previous assassination attempts on Trump were a bigger, more significant pretext than what happened to Kirk, even though Trump ended up being totally fine.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
888 Posts
September 10 2025 21:23 GMT
#104139
On September 11 2025 06:15 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:
On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:
On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:
On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:
On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail

onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.

The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting.


Jesus...

It’s a start.


to nothing good.

if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C.

only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death.


I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that.

Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way


Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough.

They could also try not behaving like Nazis, or cheerleading such behaviour, might help.


You mean cheering behaviour like shooting someone in the throat? (sorry had to)

They didnt (Really seems like you dont exactly know how nazi behaved, if conservatives start behaving like nazis, you are in for cultural shock)), my point is that they may just start.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45060 Posts
September 10 2025 21:24 GMT
#104140
All the news outlets seem to now be confirming that Kirk has died.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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