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On September 11 2025 05:48 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 05:41 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:On September 11 2025 04:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 04:39 LightSpectra wrote:On September 11 2025 04:31 Doublemint wrote:
we know absolutely nothing thus far, but people very quickly lose their mind and manners.
When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, Trump joked about it and speculated it was a scorned lover. When two Minnesota state congressmen were assassinated, Republican Senator Mike Lee made a joke about it on Twitter. There's countless other examples of the far-right normalizing violence, surely they wouldn't hypocritically decide it's a big deal now that the leopards are eating their own faces? Trump is Trump and a piece of shit, absolutely no one expects better. there is a clear line to him entering the political stage and already terrible standards getting worse. but I thought people wanted things to get better. a certain decorum, sincere or not, should be expected. There was a big 'they go low, we go high' energy with Trump 1. Then the Democrats taking the high road let to Trump getting re-elected. Now people no longer give a shit. There is no reason to take the high road when the low road gets rewarded and the high road doesn't. What right-wing violence has been rewarded? Was anyone like, say, Charlie Kirk, cheering the shooting of the MN legislators? Here's Charlie Kirk praising Derek Chauvin, who murdered George Floyd: https://thecharliekirkshow.com/podcasts/the-charlie-kirk-show/the-case-to-pardon-derek-chauvin-ft-ben-shapiro
More fast and loose here. The George Floyd murder was not a politically motivated action, and I've seen enough people complaining about Chauvin being railroaded to know it usually doesn't involve praise for him. You'd think the MN murders would be the perfect analogue here but somehow I think its hard to find anyone, anywhere of note who cheered that on. Moreover, what was the "reward"?
People are acting like these events have played to someone's benefit and I want to know whose. There is such a thing of right wing violence too of course, but it normally doesn't get a slap on the back and most right-wing public figures are hounded to denounce it and their rhetoric that supposedly caused it.
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On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis.
I‘d know a counterargument to that but I don‘t think everyone deserves to know it.
One of the points I‘d like to make though is that you can still act like a nazi without flying swastikas. You could call yourself something else while still supporting the notion that undesirables have to be radically eradicated, like the US and Israel do.
The settlers in Australia didn‘t need to associate with nazis to act like them either.
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On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable.
I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition.
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You don't survive a gunshot to the jugular like that.
The amount of blood that gushed out of him was insane. Usually I'm too curious for my own good and watched a decent amount of gore shit, but always feel quite shocked afterwards. This is no exception. I'm not happy he's dead. The world isn't a better place.
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On September 11 2025 06:23 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:15 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. They could also try not behaving like Nazis, or cheerleading such behaviour, might help. You mean cheering behaviour like shooting someone in the throat? (sorry had to) They didnt (Really seems like you dont exactly know how nazi behaved, if conservatives start behaving like nazis, you are in for cultural shock)), my point is that they may just start.
If? Like, hypothetically? So the white supremacy, authoritarianism, salutes, and love of Hitler haven't appeared yet?
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On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis.
I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people.
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On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition.
Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it?
Answer: + Show Spoiler +
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United States44171 Posts
On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition.
I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise.
But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like.
I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part.
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Northern Ireland27129 Posts
On September 11 2025 06:23 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:15 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. They could also try not behaving like Nazis, or cheerleading such behaviour, might help. You mean cheering behaviour like shooting someone in the throat? (sorry had to) They didnt (Really seems like you dont exactly know how nazi behaved, if conservatives start behaving like nazis, you are in for cultural shock)), my point is that they may just start.
Your point is always to ignore what conservatives are actually doing and moan about the left, in every circumstance
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Branding is one of the right words to get to the root of the problem.
Whenever there‘s a brand involved, you get to describe people as brands instead of listening to what they have to say, maybe because it goes against your interests.
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On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler +
Shockingly I agree with you and must also say your position is commendable.
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On September 11 2025 06:38 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. Riddle: What's the difference between sincerely saying "thoughts and prayers" and insincerely saying it? Answer: + Show Spoiler + Shockingly I agree with you and must also say your position is commendable.
Thank you!
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On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part.
Yep. It is of course my fault that moderate conservatives do nothing in the face of blatant far right populism though, if only I wasn’t so darn extreme they wouldn’t indulge it.
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On September 11 2025 05:08 WombaT wrote:How do you hit the guy with the biggest head in the world in the neck? + Show Spoiler +Not something I condone, but equally what do people expect? Political ‘discourse’ right now, never mind actual action is absolute poison. And you’ve got a fuckload of guns floating around
An incredibly poisonous political culture, of which I might add Kirk absolutely contributed to, plus guns, it’s a terrible combination.
Surprised it doesn’t happen more often tbh. You can have a fractious society without guns, or something more harmonious without them. Fractious and guns, good luck with that.
Could just as well be an AOC or Bernie in the firing line, folks I actually like and generally admire.
Charlie Kirk’s a prick, but I don’t think he’s a big enough prick to merit being assassinated, it’s not something I’m gonna clap
I'm far too jaded that this was sincerely my first thought.
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On September 11 2025 06:33 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:23 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:15 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. They could also try not behaving like Nazis, or cheerleading such behaviour, might help. You mean cheering behaviour like shooting someone in the throat? (sorry had to) They didnt (Really seems like you dont exactly know how nazi behaved, if conservatives start behaving like nazis, you are in for cultural shock)), my point is that they may just start. Your point is always to ignore what conservatives are actually doing and moan about the left, in every circumstance
My point is that you devolved the nazi word to the point where it lost its meaning. What do you think would happened in Hitler Germany with "peacefull" protest we saw in US? what would happened to people who told him you not sending your effing army to my city/state? See thats the difference between nazi as you call it and actual NAZI.
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well "friends" in the sense that he was useful to him... nonetheless I guess we shall see what happens next. and get the lawyers ready as a precaution.
@DPB
Trump was running and doing a rally in PA the first attempt, and golfing in FL the second time when people shot at him and his more immediate vicinity in Ryan Routh's case. so the only opportunity for Trump was to milk it for votes and sympathies.
in office, empowered by a hyper partisan Supreme Court and enabled by sycophants in all major law enforcement agencies it might actually get ugly.
and this time not just for "brown and foreign speaking" people.
I am very curious as to who the shooter is and the motivation. it was Republicans after all that shot at Trump, even though people instantly looked to Lefties at the time.
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On September 11 2025 06:27 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:17 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:11 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 06:05 WombaT wrote:On September 11 2025 06:03 Razyda wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. I think you should pray for brutal response from Trump, anything less and his base will go to someone who will promise them that. Why do we need a brutal response? Thoughts and prayers and arresting the perpetrator and nothing changing is the American way Because if you tell people they are nazis long enough, and treat them like nazis long enough, they will eventually be like " all right then, LFG" and they will need leader. Insufficient Trump response may be just enough. This argument is telling on yourself really hard. You could call me a Nazi every day for years and I'd never reach a point where I went "okay then I guess I'll act like a Nazi now". Only Nazis decide that it's someone else's fault that they're Nazis. I also said "treat like a nazi" and in all honesty I think you would, not a dig on you, I think it applies to most of the people.
Nope. Still telling on yourself. It’s the “I was okay with women having equal rights until a feminist was mean to me one time” argument all over again. If your principles are dependent upon strangers being nice to you then you don’t have principles. Call me a Nazi all you like, my principles aren’t so weak that someone like you could change them.
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On September 11 2025 06:43 Doublemint wrote:
well "friends" in the sense that he was useful to him... nonetheless I guess we shall see what happens next. and get the lawyers ready as a precaution.
@DPB
Trump was running and doing a rally in PA the first attempt, and golfing in FL the second time when people shot at him and his more immediate vicinity in Ryan Routh's case. so the only opportunity for Trump was to milk it for votes and sympathies.
in office, empowered by a hyper partisan Supreme Court and enabled by sycophants in all major law enforcement agencies it might actually get ugly.
and this time not just for "brown and foreign speaking" people.
I am very curious as to the who the shooter is and his motivation. it was Republicans after all that shot at Trump, even though people instantly looked to Lefties at the time.
And this is why, sadly, it unfortunately won't matter. Even if the assassin were JD Vance or Ben Shapiro or Mitch McConnell, it would somehow be rewritten in the Republican circle as an illegal Muslim black trans immigrant.
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This kind of stuff has quite a nice contrast to pictures of tattoos with added MS13 lettering.
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