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Is anyone gonna be surprised if the suspect turns out to be a military uncle of a Sandy Hook kid? Will they be justified?
Hopefully this means other shit heads will think twice before they say nazi shit for money. Real life isn't twitter, you can't defend school shootings without selling your soul. Worthy outcome....
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On September 11 2025 08:08 KwarK wrote:
He's trying to appeal to the moderates who believe that we can all just go back to how things were before politics became a team sport and the Americans on the other team became the enemy. It's a waste of time. Moderate outraged conservatives are still going to vote for the Trump for a third term when the time comes. Moderate outraged liberals are going to continue to insist that reality is in breach of conventional political norms and therefore shouldn't be allowed.
The game has changed.
Let's say that in a few years Newsom is running against a conservative opponent who cheered publicly when a left wing firebrand was murdered. Newsom's not getting your vote, despite this performance.
Agreed. Decency gains you nothing in the political sphere anymore, and holding up a mirror to Trump actually made some trump sycophants (formerly republicans) uneasy and their brain hurt, as they were widely unable to condemn Newsom's behavior without also throwing shade on dear leader.
Yet they also couldn't ignore it because dear leader was angered, and it's their job to run around and be irritating and hurtful to people who make dear leader angry.
Kirk getting shot, the second school shooting of today, will buy Trump another brief pause from Epstein-Letters - so at least Charlie didn't die for nothing.
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On September 11 2025 07:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 07:28 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 07:12 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:32 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 06:26 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 06:18 farvacola wrote:
There isn’t even a suspect in custody and you’ve already got the “the left has this coming” goons already out in force. How predictable. I would have waited for more but the problem is we already have some lefties cheering it. The praise itself deserves opposition. I was against a society where we brand people we politically disagree with enemies and hurt them. I voted against that society at every opportunity. I wasn’t a part of the group that decided to turn this into a game and cheer whenever the enemy got hurt. I was in the group that wanted rule of law and compromise. But here we are. Elections have consequences. You didn’t seem to be too upset when the violence was being used against the people you didn’t like. I didn’t want this game, it was forced upon me by people like you, and now you feign outrage as I play my part. Your previously listed examples of violence leads me to believe you were always going to end up here, because your definition of violence is whacked. Moreover, I'm not so sure what you want is going to result from this. I don't want any part of any of this. There's a better than even chance that my team loses. I voted against turning this into a team sport and cheering as people get hurt. When the FBI was used against the civil rights movement was that political violence? Im not sure it's normally phrased that way. But again, if that's an example you are using then you were always going to end up here because bad stuff is always happening. If we've been struggling literally since the beginnings of the country now is a heck of a time to give up.
Bad stuff has always happened but this feels different to me. Basic norms like the rule of law or conceding when you lose an election or not using troops against citizens are gone. The unconstitutional power grabs are worse than the worst days of FDR.
You say I’m giving up but I’m not, I’m joining in. Your team won and now we’ll play the game by your rules. But I’m not interested in hearing about the virtues of the Republic and how it was worth saving from you anyway.
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FBI has released its second suspect after interrogation. Maybe putting a podcaster in charge wasn't the best idea.
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Trump tweeted about the shooting and decided to include the word “beautiful” about Charlie’s wife. Not “his loving wife”, not steadfast or loyal or devoted or any of the normal words to describe a grieving widow, our man went for how attractive she is. With Charlie dead he saw an opening there and didn’t want to waste any time. Gotta respect that hustle. It’s what Charlie would have wanted.
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Is this an indictment of the left? Surely the only people who politically benefit from school shootings are people who want to take guns away? All of you are confusing a null result (or a small result) as a benefit.
No, not really. Because the battle for gun control was lost when Sandy Hook occurred and no political action was achieved. Did you know there have been like 47 school shootings this year? Even Democrats aren’t making political hay out of school shootings because conservatives won that battle.
No one cares anymore because they know no politician gives a shit. In JD Vance’s own words, school shootings are a fact of life and we just have to accept that and move on. In the mean time, society becomes more fractured, more scared, more individualistic, and solutions being offered include arming teachers and selling bulletproof school accessories. Even mental health solutions aren’t really being offered as a serious solution because they know no one in Congress going to fund that obscenely expensive solution.
The only people making bank are people selling solutions to schools and terrified parents and those people are typically affiliated with the self protection and security solutions industry.
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Okay who killed Charlie Kirk? Get your answers in before the FBI pins it on someone random to save face.
Poll: Who Killed Charlie Kirk(Vote): Secret Gay Lover/Other Personal
(Vote): False Flag
(Vote): Angry MAGA/Qanon/Ex-MAGA
(Vote): Radical Leftist
(Vote): Non-Political Deranged Person
(Vote): Patriot Fighting Nazis
(Vote): Foreign Agent
(Vote): Other
Thoughts and prayers to the Kirk family.
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Which do I pick if I think Trump offed him to take the heat off the Epstein letter?
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On September 11 2025 11:37 LightSpectra wrote:
Which do I pick if I think Trump offed him to take the heat off the Epstein letter?
False flag. Or at least False Flag adjacent... I should have put False Flag/Trump Distraction to be more clear.
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Kash Patel is more likely to make you a mango lassi than to deliver the details on the Epstein clients.
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On September 11 2025 10:10 LightSpectra wrote:
FBI has released its second suspect after interrogation. Maybe putting a podcaster in charge wasn't the best idea.
Wish people would stop acting like the director has anything to do with how shitty this is doing. Lots of departments get cronies established as the head. It's not Kash's fault the agents are not doing anything. It's much more the fault of the purges and loyalty pledges that cause this. Either that, or it's an inside job, which would make sense given the swift response from the administration and the united talking points across all the mainstream news sources. Charlie Kirk may very well be their Horst Wessel.
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On September 11 2025 13:50 Phyanketto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 10:10 LightSpectra wrote:
FBI has released its second suspect after interrogation. Maybe putting a podcaster in charge wasn't the best idea. Wish people would stop acting like the director has anything to do with how shitty this is doing. Lots of departments get cronies established as the head. It's not Kash's fault the agents are not doing anything. It's much more the fault of the purges and loyalty pledges that cause this. Either that, or it's an inside job, which would make sense given the swift response from the administration and the united talking points across all the mainstream news sources. Charlie Kirk may very well be their Horst Wessel. And who else s responsible for the purged and loyalty pledges? Right the director.
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On September 11 2025 10:10 LightSpectra wrote:
FBI has released its second suspect after interrogation. Maybe putting a podcaster in charge wasn't the best idea.
Should the FBI not release suspects once it clears them, or should law enforcement not be allowed to arrest people at all whatsoever in the course of investigations unless they're already 100% sure of everything that happened?
Or perhaps the real blame lies on Congress for not passing a law mandating that the FBI teleport to the scene of any crime in the US, instantly know exactly what happened and who did what, and catch them all in a web like Spider-Man.
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From the BBC's coverage:
In videos circulating on social media of the event, Charlie Kirk can be seen sitting in a white gazebo addressing a crowd gathered at an event at Utah Valley University.
The tent features the words "The American Comeback Tour" - the name of his current speaking tour.
In one video, an audience member can be heard asking Kirk about mass shootings in America: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?"
Holding a microphone, Kirk responds: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"
A loud gunshot is heard and Kirk appears to jolt backwards in his seat. Blood can be seen on his neck.
Imagine purposefully misconstruing a question about gun control so that you can feel smug immediately before getting shot...
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On September 11 2025 08:28 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 08:25 Magic Powers wrote:On September 11 2025 08:16 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 08:12 Magic Powers wrote:On September 11 2025 08:05 Introvert wrote:On September 11 2025 08:00 Magic Powers wrote:
Trump won the second term because his supporters think his tariffs would be a good idea and that he would kick out duh immigrants. Those were the primary concerns of his base.
But that's not what propelled him to super-stardom. That was just the bread and butter of his campaign, i.e. the foundation. The icing on the cake was his frequent appeals to the far-right, that's what gave him a new edge, something bigger than before. He realized that his base didn't care how much further to the right he was moving. They literally didn't care at all, they kept supporting him anyway. He was able to rally conservatives and the far-right under one umbrella.
But that was of course Biden's fault. Yes, surely. Somehow. The mythical all-incompetent and always present Biden whenever Trump does anything at all.
You and Trump could be literally the same person. Trump and you blame Biden for literally everything. This is basic political science. Trump couldn't win with just his base. He made inroads with almost every demographic possible. Biden's approval rating was in the toilet, which makes it hard for the same party to hold power. You are misreading what I wrote I think Well, I know he gained with just about every demographic. But why did that happen? It wasn't because of Biden, and it wasn't because of something temporary. It was about fundamental fears that Trump stoked. He was all about the economy, because people are afraid of the economy. He was all about immigration, because people are afraid of immigrants. That's how he won. I mean, there was more. He also rallied against LGBT harder than before. So the difference between first and second term is that he ramped up the rhetoric as much as he could. And that worked. I ask you: why would that work with the American people? No, it wasn't Biden's fault. Find a different answer, I'm asking you to find an answer outside of Biden. Biden was president and his decisions and the promises he made are directly relevant? "Please explain how Trump won the presidency without talking about who is president." That sounds kind of silly, doesn't it? People don't make choices in a vacuum. I could say things that Biden had a hand in without using his name...Trump won because of inflation and immigration/border control. If people cared about inflation, they would've voted for Harris. She promised a tax reduction for poor people and an increase for the top earners. Trump did the exact opposite, promising to raise taxes specifically for poor people and lowering taxes for the superwealthy. If inflation was a concern for people, Harris was the obvious pick. Immigration was one of the reasons indeed, as I already acknowledged. But it was fear of immigrants, not a mishandling of immigration. Under Biden, immigrants didn't wreak havoc. That's fiction written by conservatives. And that's precisely what I'm trying to get you to understand. Trump stoked fears, he wasn't looking at reality and pointing out how bad things are. He was making shit up and making people afraid of the made up shit. I am going to gently suggest that what you consider obvious is not actually obvious. Also excusing politicians you like for their political missteps is probably counter productive
What am I excusing? Huh? I'm asking you to argue in favor of Trump without "but Biden". Stop saying "but Biden". It's terrible reasoning when supporting Trump. There were plenty of non-fascistic Republican candidates available and none of them made the cut. It has nothing to do with "but Biden".
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On September 11 2025 08:51 Phyanketto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 08:12 Magic Powers wrote: He was all about immigration, because people are afraid of immigrants. That's how he won. I mean, there was more. He also rallied against LGBT harder than before.
So the difference between first and second term is that he ramped up the rhetoric as much as he could. And that worked.
I ask you: why would that work with the American people? No, it wasn't Biden's fault. Find a different answer, I'm asking you to find an answer outside of Biden. Nobody is afraid of immigrants, right wingers saw them as getting a free ride and stressing social services which they don't believe should exist in the first place, or should be the dominion of charities or religious organizations. You should confront the possibility that most americans are shown content by algorithms following a bimodal distribution, and that tends to favor the far right because the far left is de facto banned. Generations of anticommunist and antisocialist propaganda has limited the left's only difference in flavor to be social issues. Every place you get your information or content is controlled by corporations who would NEVER allow serious threat to their power through discussing regulation or nationalization.
Right-wingers are in fact afraid of immigrants. They think they'll ruin the country. It's not just "concern". Trump has moved the overt debate from concern to alarmism. That's where his cat eating migrants stem from. That rhetoric used to be more fringe, and due to him it's become mainstream. He appeals to the far-right in that exact way, by turning their fringe ideas into common ideas, thus stoking fears that previous Republican candidates didn't tap into so radically. This is how he expanded his base so quickly.
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On September 11 2025 15:52 MJG wrote:From the BBC's coverage: Show nested quote +In videos circulating on social media of the event, Charlie Kirk can be seen sitting in a white gazebo addressing a crowd gathered at an event at Utah Valley University.
The tent features the words "The American Comeback Tour" - the name of his current speaking tour.
In one video, an audience member can be heard asking Kirk about mass shootings in America: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?"
Holding a microphone, Kirk responds: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"
A loud gunshot is heard and Kirk appears to jolt backwards in his seat. Blood can be seen on his neck. Imagine purposefully misconstruing a question about gun control so that you can feel smug immediately before getting shot...
There is a lot irony in this, just like the point of this guy was that empathy was a sin and now "thoughts and prayers"
On September 11 2025 16:04 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 08:51 Phyanketto wrote:On September 11 2025 08:12 Magic Powers wrote: He was all about immigration, because people are afraid of immigrants. That's how he won. I mean, there was more. He also rallied against LGBT harder than before.
So the difference between first and second term is that he ramped up the rhetoric as much as he could. And that worked.
I ask you: why would that work with the American people? No, it wasn't Biden's fault. Find a different answer, I'm asking you to find an answer outside of Biden. Nobody is afraid of immigrants, right wingers saw them as getting a free ride and stressing social services which they don't believe should exist in the first place, or should be the dominion of charities or religious organizations. You should confront the possibility that most americans are shown content by algorithms following a bimodal distribution, and that tends to favor the far right because the far left is de facto banned. Generations of anticommunist and antisocialist propaganda has limited the left's only difference in flavor to be social issues. Every place you get your information or content is controlled by corporations who would NEVER allow serious threat to their power through discussing regulation or nationalization. Right-wingers are in fact afraid of immigrants. They think they'll ruin the country. It's not just "concern". Trump has moved the overt debate from concern to alarmism. That's where his cat eating migrants stem from. That rhetoric used to be more fringe, and due to him it's become mainstream. He appeals to the far-right in that exact way, by turning their fringe ideas into common ideas, thus stoking fears that previous Republican candidates didn't tap into so radically. This is how he expanded his base so quickly.
Right wingers are more than afraid, they are truly terrified and think they will demographicaly erased. It's not much different that the racial theories of the 19th when all the pro colonial scholars who will later influence the nazis thought the white race was in danger.
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There was a tragic shooting yesterday: one student shot two others, before committing suicide.
Authorities said a boy opened fire with a handgun Wednesday at a high school near Denver, Colorado, wounding two students, before fatally shooting himself.
The shooting occurred just before 12:30 p.m. local time at Evergreen High School in the Colorado foothills, about 28 miles southwest of Denver, according to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. The suspect was believed to be a student at the school, Jacki Kelley, a sheriff's office spokesperson, told reporters in a news briefing. His identity has not been released.
One of the two student victims who was shot was in critical condition at CommonSpirit St. Anthony's Hospital in Lakewood. The second student was also at St. Anthony's and their condition was described as non-life-threatening. Their identities have not been released. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/shooting-evergreen-high-school-denver-metro-area/
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