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Calanthe
United States143 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25419 Posts
On August 12 2025 12:57 oBlade wrote: You have a naive block with the idea people are supposed to objectively calculate the importance of everything in the world and correctly apportion the speech of their measly 42 million minutes appropriately, and that you have superuser access to know they're allocating said time correctly. Like how many times have you come out against people stabbing each other in the eyeballs to death, WombaT? Not quite enough for my satisfaction. In fact I've not seen it once. Problematic. Whatever one thinks about my politics, I’ll tell you my politics. If you don’t like it em, totally fine. No skin off my back. Blackjack plays perpetual devil’s advocate, and gets annoyed when people assume the positions he always ‘devil’s advocates’ for are his actual positions Totally the same thing though, absolutely. Well played you got me there | ||
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oBlade
United States5608 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10552 Posts
On August 12 2025 12:49 WombaT wrote: Call me crazy but I would generally be more concerned about how you know, an actual government operates, that runs than the executive than 15 year olds on Tumblr and what they’re up to. That may just be me though I've never been on Tumblr and I don't really know what goes on there but just for you I will try to spend less time talking about Tumblr and what goes on there. On August 12 2025 13:03 WombaT wrote: Whatever one thinks about my politics, I’ll tell you my politics. If you don’t like it em, totally fine. No skin off my back. Blackjack plays perpetual devil’s advocate, and gets annoyed when people assume the positions he always ‘devil’s advocates’ for are his actual positions Totally the same thing though, absolutely. Well played you got me there I have no problem stating my position on an issue, e.g. My post to Uldridge here I also get that nobody has the wherewithal to know or memorize every stance I have on an issue and it's almost a necessity that our minds make these connections like "This person is a conservative. Conservatives mostly believe this thing. I think it's safe to assume this person also believe that thing." If someone assumed a stance I had in a good faith manner I wouldn't take as much of an issue with it. But the posts directed at me about trans people using public bathrooms or Colin Kaepernick and others being canceled seemed like a really bad faith attempt to score points by going after some low hanging fruit. There's literally no reason to start talking about Colin Kaepernick in the context of that discussion. LightSpectra's brain just wandered like a moth to a flame onto the next thing to rant about. Unfortunately the search function was able to quickly reveal a history of posts that I really don't care about trans people using public bathrooms and I'm not ok with cancel culture as long as it's the right doing it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13955 Posts
On August 12 2025 13:32 oBlade wrote: I'm not sure any amount of effort from BlackJack would give him control over other people assuming things about him. If their goal is to call him a "useful idiot" they'll get there however they can. It would take very little effort. All he would have to do is show the bare minimum of respect and clarify what he is trying to say. Constant vague posting and refusing to engage with what other people are saying is not how normal people express themselves, expecting to be understood. Trying to harp on technical and irrelevant points while refusing to admit that they may have done anything wrong is also not a way to engender the kind of good will for people to give you the benifit of the doubt. Trying to harp on them when you don't understand, and are telling people you don't understand what people are talking about, Just makes you look bad. When BJ runs out of rope he runs right back to the same tired tropes and insults that would require good will, respect, a benifit of the double, or any sort of look that doesn't come off as being whiny. Also Ozempic is a GLP-1, other companies can and do sell GLP-1's. They're a really cool breakthrough in medical tech recently. If we produced enough of it people would stop dieing from diabetes by at least a million people a year. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44365 Posts
On August 12 2025 08:38 GreenHorizons wrote: Sure seems like what I said is just going to be more true every day until it's too late (if it isn't already) Is "AmeriMaidan" a reference to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity (I'm not well-versed in that topic; sorry if I misunderstood.) I don't think that Americans would be willing to overthrow Trump and/or the Supreme Court (and/or Congress). I'm sure our TL thread will focus more on the upcoming Supreme Court case once it starts moving along. For now, it seems, the derailment of Razyda not knowing what a "job" is, and the reversion to the BlackJack/trans conversation, are the most popular topics of conversation. | ||
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Yurie
11846 Posts
On August 12 2025 13:52 Sermokala wrote: It would take very little effort. All he would have to do is show the bare minimum of respect and clarify what he is trying to say. Constant vague posting and refusing to engage with what other people are saying is not how normal people express themselves, expecting to be understood. Trying to harp on technical and irrelevant points while refusing to admit that they may have done anything wrong is also not a way to engender the kind of good will for people to give you the benifit of the doubt. Trying to harp on them when you don't understand, and are telling people you don't understand what people are talking about, Just makes you look bad. When BJ runs out of rope he runs right back to the same tired tropes and insults that would require good will, respect, a benifit of the double, or any sort of look that doesn't come off as being whiny. Also Ozempic is a GLP-1, other companies can and do sell GLP-1's. They're a really cool breakthrough in medical tech recently. If we produced enough of it people would stop dieing from diabetes by at least a million people a year. The interesting thing with an economic view on this is that it is economical under current law if you just change the rule not allowing central negotiation. If you instead switched the rules and laws to promote much healthier food and mobility of people you would achieve the same thing long term with reduced cost. Doing both is probably the correct thing, burn money short term for better outcomes. Change the preconditions long term. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13955 Posts
On August 12 2025 14:28 Yurie wrote: The interesting thing with an economic view on this is that it is economical under current law. If you instead switched the rules and laws to promote much healthier food and mobility of people you would achieve the same thing long term with reduced cost. Doing both is probably the correct thing, burn money short term for better outcomes. Change the preconditions long term. Another point for universal health care is that the companies would be motivated to lower costs of care and preventing the need for care in the first place. It would be well within the governments intrest to lower diabetes in the population in order to lower Healthcare costs. Instead companies have a motivation to increase diabedes in order to sell more of the drugs to treat it. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4133 Posts
On August 12 2025 12:38 BlackJack wrote: Your poll is unnecessary because even I will agree with your characterization that I spend more time criticizing wokeism than I do conservatives/Trump. I just don't understand the need to have a tantrum about it. It's like complaining "Only 95% of the posts here are criticizing Trump and if you would stop being such a jerk and do your part we could get to 97-98% so wtf is your problem!" I've never seen anyone so triggered that their echo chamber doesn't echo back perfectly. If you want to criticize my dissenting opinions then go ahead, but you shouldn't a) criticize me simply for having dissenting opinions and b) foist any position of the conservative right onto me as if I'm on board with it just because I don't spend all day bemoaning it. Has it ever occured to you that Trump is in fact such a shit piece of a human being that he deserves to be universally hated? That we're perhaps not doing it for sports? That people call him a fascist because it's true and not because everyone's automatically a fascist who wore blackface once in their life? Last I checked people are not calling for Trudeau's head, right? He wore blackface. Trump did not. So why are we focusing our hatred on Trump and not on Trudeau? Do we have our priorities backwards? Or could the much simpler explanation be that Trump is worthy of all this hatred and Trudeau isn't? That we don't just pick our favorites based on one transgression but rather on the sum of all actions of an individual? Is it possible? What do you think? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23240 Posts
On August 12 2025 14:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is "AmeriMaidan" a reference to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity (I'm not well-versed in that topic; sorry if I misunderstood.) I don't think that Americans would be willing to overthrow Trump and/or the Supreme Court (and/or Congress). I'm sure our TL thread will focus more on the upcoming Supreme Court case once it starts moving along. For now, it seems, the derailment of Razyda not knowing what a "job" is, and the reversion to the BlackJack/trans conversation, are the most popular topics of conversation. It's a reference to Euromaidan. The gist of it is that Euromaidan was (among other things) a wave of intense protests During the uprising, Independence Square (Maidan) in Kyiv was a huge protest camp occupied by thousands of protesters and protected by makeshift barricades. It had kitchens, first aid posts and broadcasting facilities, as well as stages for speeches, lectures, debates and performances. It was guarded by 'Maidan Self-Defense' units made up of volunteers in improvised uniform and helmets, carrying shields and armed with sticks, stones and petrol bombs. Protests were also held in many other parts of Ukraine. it was ostensibly the government's response that convinced Ukrainians to overthrow it with the "Revolution of Dignity". The sentiment Zambrah and I are sharing is that people in the US have to do something similar (whether they want to or not) or fascism will devastate all of us. Zambrah/Mohdoo more than myself have resigned to the belief that we're more likely banking on fascism imploding than Democrats (or their supporters) recognizing what the moment is demanding of them and rising to the occasion. I have to admit, every time the libs/Dems/ilk around here get sucked into the constant cycle of mocking and gawking (which has helped make Trump more favorable than they are) it does not help me maintain that optimism. | ||
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