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Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia671 Posts
2 hours ago
#103261
You should repeat that a few times as well maybe that becomes true.

I understand you, I just think you are a bad person who argues for bad people. I hope that is understandable enough.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 16:33:41
2 hours ago
#103262
You're literally not understanding me though. You keep saying I'm arguing against Gazans having schools. I'm not arguing against building schools, I'm describing the impact of hopelessness on the stakeholders and actors involved. I want schools, but I don't see how we motivate anyone to build one during the foreverwar. I'm describing a situation that I hate.

Again, you haven't understood a damn word I said.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1517 Posts
2 hours ago
#103263
E.J. Antoni, child rapist Donald Trump's candidate to lead the Bureau of Labor Statistics, suggested during an interview with FOX Business to suspend the agency's monthly jobs report.

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any" but for unemployment.

2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia671 Posts
2 hours ago
#103264
Sure, you are just misunderstood, how could I read your screeching about Hezbolah and Gazans who participated in October 7th and Israel's lack of invasions and them "buying peace with land" and understand that as anything other then you expressing your hate for the situation.

And it's fun to see you back in your 1 or two liner mode as soon as you get called out for flat out lying and providing cover for genocidal moves, exactly what someone who is misunderstood would do.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 16:26:38
1 hour ago
#103265
On August 13 2025 01:20 Jankisa wrote:
Sure, you are just misunderstood, how could I read your screeching about Hezbolah and Gazans who participated in October 7th and Israel's lack of invasions and them "buying peace with land" and understand that as anything other then you expressing your hate for the situation.

And it's fun to see you back in your 1 or two liner mode as soon as you get called out for flat out lying and providing cover for genocidal moves, exactly what someone who is misunderstood would do.

Why would I write another long post when you didn't read the last one. I've already written the long post addressing your nonsense, if you want to read a longer rebuttal then just go read it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia671 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 16:52:21
1 hour ago
#103266
I very obviously read it, you just can't comprehend that someone is not impressed by it.

You write as if your country is not providing the bombs that are killing children or the organization that is corralling and shooting at them.

You also expect that you can mention EU organization and how they shouldn't build schools and then expect me, as an EU citizen to agree with that when it's obviously a dumb thing to say.

This is why I asked you questions and quoted parts, which you ignored.

My questions aren't the type of questions that require long posts, they are simple and straight forward. I'll re-itterate them just in case:

1. When was the last time that Israel "traded land for peace"
2. Why were you lying when you said that Israel hasn't invaded Gaza in 18 years when it obviously did, as evidenced by the graph I posted

Someone who is a neutral observer who lost hope because both sides are being unreasonable does not feel the need to write things like this, because writing things like this clearly shows a strong bias for one side, which you are absolutely refusing to admit.

On October 6th I had a similar bias as you did. Since November of 2023 I can proudly say that I'm biased the other way because Israel is acting genocidaly.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42747 Posts
1 hour ago
#103267
On August 13 2025 01:48 Jankisa wrote:
You also expect that you can mention EU organization and how they shouldn't build schools

I suggest you read it again and actually read the words rather than the kind of thing you imagine I might have said.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7307 Posts
1 hour ago
#103268
On August 13 2025 00:16 Legan wrote:
The pace of progress is insufferably slow, and many times intentionally stalled in an effort not to make the opposition angry. At the same time, massive step-backs can happen quite frequently. Just look at the many controversial rulings by the Supreme Court in the past decade. These step-backs are accompanied by a severe lack of consequences. For example, health insurance denials are causing more and more suffering and victims by the day, but there is no hope of it being addressed. At best, one can hope that after the next elections, there will be a Democratic majority that will push for some minimal compromise. Simultaneously, the people benefiting from the suffering of others are not facing any consequences now or in the future. It is no surprise that people do not trust the system anymore.

The obvious lesson is that you should aim for immediate and maximal change regardless of how moral, ethical or legal your methods are, as there will not be sufficient consequences afterwards if you win big enough. If you look at the Project 2025, you can see one attempt at this kind of change and its current implementation attempt. It will take decades to undo your changes. This is, of course, very destructive to society when everyone tries to implement their own agenda one after another. However, at the same time, it is clear that incremental changes will let many suffer for a long time.

Looking back into history, plenty of things have required much more direct actions to achieve bigger changes. In many places, Women's suffrage, the 8-hour workday, and desegregation all required more than small incremental changes, and they were achieved with much more direct action than voting or writing letters.

The desire for change manifests itself in the more radical opinions on the internet. If these same people had more local grassroots organisations, then the frustration would be funnelled into them. These organisations would probably be much more effective in implementing the change. Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 prove how effective decades-long dedicated movement-building can be, and they do not even need to be popular or do big marches or general strikes for their agenda.


You get it.

Noone can sell me on incrementalism or electoralism as I see those systems fail aggressively in the face of Fascists and Republicans.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1033 Posts
55 minutes ago
#103269
On August 12 2025 12:42 BlackJack wrote:
Colin Kaepernick not being able to get work in the NFL is kind of a niche issue. I think 3 posts criticizing it is sufficient.

He couldn't paly in the NFL, in large part because he was not good. I'm not sure why this one gets lost in the weeds so much. Janet Jackson is probably a better example of someone being canceled by the right, when it was JT who exposed her breast and he suffered basically zero consequence.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 17:33:29
53 minutes ago
#103270
What does being against electoralism mean? Grassroots efforts and direct action don't accomplish much if we're consistently losing elections, so any realistic strategy to improve the world has to involve winning elections. And I don't know any politically informed Democrat or leftist that thinks voting alone is sufficient, so if electoralism means ignoring everything except voting, that's a strawman.

If it means just praying for a Blanquist overthrow of the government, well, good luck with that. That's pretty much the secular version of ignoring the homeless because the Rapture will come soon.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23243 Posts
45 minutes ago
#103271
On August 13 2025 02:10 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2025 00:16 Legan wrote:
The pace of progress is insufferably slow, and many times intentionally stalled in an effort not to make the opposition angry. At the same time, massive step-backs can happen quite frequently. Just look at the many controversial rulings by the Supreme Court in the past decade. These step-backs are accompanied by a severe lack of consequences. For example, health insurance denials are causing more and more suffering and victims by the day, but there is no hope of it being addressed. At best, one can hope that after the next elections, there will be a Democratic majority that will push for some minimal compromise. Simultaneously, the people benefiting from the suffering of others are not facing any consequences now or in the future. It is no surprise that people do not trust the system anymore.

The obvious lesson is that you should aim for immediate and maximal change regardless of how moral, ethical or legal your methods are, as there will not be sufficient consequences afterwards if you win big enough. If you look at the Project 2025, you can see one attempt at this kind of change and its current implementation attempt. It will take decades to undo your changes. This is, of course, very destructive to society when everyone tries to implement their own agenda one after another. However, at the same time, it is clear that incremental changes will let many suffer for a long time.

Looking back into history, plenty of things have required much more direct actions to achieve bigger changes. In many places, Women's suffrage, the 8-hour workday, and desegregation all required more than small incremental changes, and they were achieved with much more direct action than voting or writing letters.

The desire for change manifests itself in the more radical opinions on the internet. If these same people had more local grassroots organisations, then the frustration would be funnelled into them. These organisations would probably be much more effective in implementing the change. Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 prove how effective decades-long dedicated movement-building can be, and they do not even need to be popular or do big marches or general strikes for their agenda.


You get it.

Noone can sell me on incrementalism or electoralism as I see those systems fail aggressively in the face of Fascists and Republicans.

Yeah, Legan is providing the sort of analysis I expect from basically anyone not making stockholm syndromesque rationalizations for watching Dems lose to and enable fascists.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42747 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-12 18:06:58
44 minutes ago
#103272
On August 13 2025 01:48 Jankisa wrote:
1. When was the last time that Israel "traded land for peace"
2. Why were you lying when you said that Israel hasn't invaded Gaza in 18 years when it obviously did, as evidenced by the graph I posted

1. The last time they did it was the last time they were attacked with a state actor who was interested in peace talks in exchange for the recovery of land lost in the conflict. They can't trade land for peace with a party not interested in peace (Hamas) or with whom they have no land (Iran) for reasons that should be obvious, even to the likes of you. They've done it at the most recent opportunity they've had.

2. That graph very much doesn't show what you think it does. You're a very confused person and I hope things get better for you.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1033 Posts
39 minutes ago
#103273
On August 13 2025 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2025 02:10 Zambrah wrote:
On August 13 2025 00:16 Legan wrote:
The pace of progress is insufferably slow, and many times intentionally stalled in an effort not to make the opposition angry. At the same time, massive step-backs can happen quite frequently. Just look at the many controversial rulings by the Supreme Court in the past decade. These step-backs are accompanied by a severe lack of consequences. For example, health insurance denials are causing more and more suffering and victims by the day, but there is no hope of it being addressed. At best, one can hope that after the next elections, there will be a Democratic majority that will push for some minimal compromise. Simultaneously, the people benefiting from the suffering of others are not facing any consequences now or in the future. It is no surprise that people do not trust the system anymore.

The obvious lesson is that you should aim for immediate and maximal change regardless of how moral, ethical or legal your methods are, as there will not be sufficient consequences afterwards if you win big enough. If you look at the Project 2025, you can see one attempt at this kind of change and its current implementation attempt. It will take decades to undo your changes. This is, of course, very destructive to society when everyone tries to implement their own agenda one after another. However, at the same time, it is clear that incremental changes will let many suffer for a long time.

Looking back into history, plenty of things have required much more direct actions to achieve bigger changes. In many places, Women's suffrage, the 8-hour workday, and desegregation all required more than small incremental changes, and they were achieved with much more direct action than voting or writing letters.

The desire for change manifests itself in the more radical opinions on the internet. If these same people had more local grassroots organisations, then the frustration would be funnelled into them. These organisations would probably be much more effective in implementing the change. Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 prove how effective decades-long dedicated movement-building can be, and they do not even need to be popular or do big marches or general strikes for their agenda.


You get it.

Noone can sell me on incrementalism or electoralism as I see those systems fail aggressively in the face of Fascists and Republicans.

Yeah, Legan is providing the sort of analysis I expect from basically anyone not making stockholm syndromesque rationalizations for watching Dems lose to and enable fascists.

Maybe you should try that instead of throwing out condescending one liners. might make actual discussion happen. If you were willing to be 4 personalities surely you try providing actual socialist analysis instead of just bad dems for a while?
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