EPT- RFK cuts mRNA vaccine research
- Parts of the constitution are deleted from the White House website
- White house orders NASA to destroy 2 satellites that are important for climate change research (amongst other things)
Only 3.5 years to go boys.
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
- RFK cuts mRNA vaccine research - Parts of the constitution are deleted from the White House website - White house orders NASA to destroy 2 satellites that are important for climate change research (amongst other things) Only 3.5 years to go boys. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24130 Posts
On August 07 2025 02:53 Zambrah wrote: Needed violence to beat the last major batch of fascists, prepare to engage in some violence to beat the current ones. Does really seem like "AmeriMaidan or bust!" could and should more or less be the plan from libs/Dems/ilk. Every day/time they want to emphasize how Trump is being horrible/destroying democracy/is a stooge for Putin, it isn't winning over voters, it is demonstrating yet another reason why they need to support their own "AmeriMaidan". | ||
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Billyboy
1990 Posts
On August 07 2025 02:53 Zambrah wrote: Needed violence to beat the last major batch of fascists, prepare to engage in some violence to beat the current ones. Wasn't Bolasarno removed in Brazil through elections and without violence? What is the plan to make sure the violence works and is not just an excuse to do everything that people are scared of? How many people required? Who is organizing? What is the plan to get the military and police on board? What percentage of those organizations do you think would support vs fight against your proposed solution? How do you over power the rest? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On August 07 2025 03:31 Billyboy wrote: Wasn't Bolasarno removed in Brazil through elections and without violence? What is the plan to make sure the violence works and is not just an excuse to do everything that people are scared of? How many people required? Who is organizing? What is the plan to get the military and police on board? What percentage of those organizations do you think would support vs fight against your proposed solution? How do you over power the rest? Whats your incredibly indepth plan to subvert fascism? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
On August 07 2025 03:31 Billyboy wrote: Wasn't Bolasarno removed in Brazil through elections and without violence? What is the plan to make sure the violence works and is not just an excuse to do everything that people are scared of? How many people required? Who is organizing? What is the plan to get the military and police on board? What percentage of those organizations do you think would support vs fight against your proposed solution? How do you over power the rest? Yeah. Trump was also removed in the US through elections and without violence. (Well, except from the insurrectionists who wanted to stop that transfer of power, but that was comparatively minor, just invading the capitol) But then he got voted in again. Now he is going to make sure the same thing doesn't happen again. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2849 Posts
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Billyboy
1990 Posts
On August 07 2025 04:56 Zambrah wrote: Whats your incredibly indepth plan to subvert fascism? So you have not gotten past the title page either, sad. I guess at least you were not the most gleeful poster on election night like our self proclaimed socialist revolutionary. I have no plan for the US, and I couldn't help you because if all your most passionate people efforts stop at putting snarky posts on a message board your fucked anyway. What I can tell you is what I'm doing locally. We have a asshole MAGA wannabe premier who is talking separation from Canada. I'm a small part of province wide group to launch a new political party that will hopefully take away much of her support. We used to have to right parties, and they merged and the crazies took over. I won't even vote for the new party, but any support it takes away from our current government will be necessary for change and this new party will take far more from the far right then the left party. Then locally I'm part of council that is preparing to door knock before the referendum. I have a leadership position and a big job ahead of me to recruit, train, support and participate in the door knocking, knowing full well many if not most of the doors I knock in where I live I will be met with negativity to say the least. Seriously, you really think you are losing your democracy to a fascist and you have ZERO plan, not even an outline? You have organized nothing? You expectation is it will magically happen? WTF? Why do you expect people to take you serious, we have had a decade of the title page, you have a audience that 90% + self identify as left. If you have something share, if you don't stop bitching because you are exactly, if not more since you "know" of the problem than everyone else here. On August 07 2025 05:28 Simberto wrote: Yeah. Trump was also removed in the US through elections and without violence. (Well, except from the insurrectionists who wanted to stop that transfer of power, but that was comparatively minor, just invading the capitol) But then he got voted in again. Now he is going to make sure the same thing doesn't happen again. That sounds like it, if it happened before it can happen again. But you sound super certain it can not so I'm sure you have great reasons for this. Can you explain why the Brazilian democracy is so much more resilient then the US? Keep in mind the Brazilian right also controlled the judiciary and the leader of the left was imprisoned for corruption at the time. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46204 Posts
On August 07 2025 05:57 LightSpectra wrote: Utah GOP Senator Changes Child Rape Law After Relative Accused of Sex With Minor When your party's leader is Donald Trump, it's only natural to favor laws that protect rapists instead of protect children. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11921 Posts
On August 07 2025 06:16 Billyboy wrote: So you have not gotten past the title page either, sad. I guess at least you were not the most gleeful poster on election night like our self proclaimed socialist revolutionary. I have no plan for the US, and I couldn't help you because if all your most passionate people efforts stop at putting snarky posts on a message board your fucked anyway. What I can tell you is what I'm doing locally. We have a asshole MAGA wannabe premier who is talking separation from Canada. I'm a small part of province wide group to launch a new political party that will hopefully take away much of her support. We used to have to right parties, and they merged and the crazies took over. I won't even vote for the new party, but any support it takes away from our current government will be necessary for change and this new party will take far more from the far right then the left party. Then locally I'm part of council that is preparing to door knock before the referendum. I have a leadership position and a big job ahead of me to recruit, train, support and participate in the door knocking, knowing full well many if not most of the doors I knock in where I live I will be met with negativity to say the least. Seriously, you really think you are losing your democracy to a fascist and you have ZERO plan, not even an outline? You have organized nothing? You expectation is it will magically happen? WTF? Why do you expect people to take you serious, we have had a decade of the title page, you have a audience that 90% + self identify as left. If you have something share, if you don't stop bitching because you are exactly, if not more since you "know" of the problem than everyone else here. That sounds like it, if it happened before it can happen again. But you sound super certain it can not so I'm sure you have great reasons for this. Can you explain why the Brazilian democracy is so much more resilient then the US? Keep in mind the Brazilian right also controlled the judiciary and the leader of the left was imprisoned for corruption at the time. I am not saying it cannot happen again, i am saying that Trump will do anything in his power to stop it from happening again. With how compromised basically all institutions in the US are at this point, i wouldn't give him allowing a fair election, him then losing that election, and then accepting that loss or being forced to accept it at higher than even odds. So just hoping that the next election will be fair and the fascism can be removed that way sounds like a dangerous proposition. Sadly i also don't really know any good alternatives. The US mostly just seems to be fucked at this point. I guess chances could be higher if the monumental stupidity and grifting of the administration actually has negative effects on peoples lives, and they accept that Trumps fuckups are at fault. If he loses the support of his base, anything can happen. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27200 Posts
On August 07 2025 06:26 BlackJack wrote: Jimmi, you're going to find yourself real unpopular around these parts if you try to ruin the immersion for those trying to RP their armed resistance to fascism from their computer chairs. *Billy | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46204 Posts
On August 07 2025 06:26 BlackJack wrote: Jimmi, you're going to find yourself real unpopular around these parts if you try to ruin the immersion for those trying to RP their armed resistance to fascism from their computer chairs. Jimmi? | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
violence has happened, there is tons of video out there. thankfully Bolsonaro and his supporters were kept from power. and it is litigated to the fullest of the law. litigation that a certain criminal in the White House wants to derail and use as a bargaining chip in tariff negotiations that are a sham to begin with. making them a complete farce. and it would set a dangerous example hitting very close to home. Zambrah is entitled to a bit of venting with all the shit that is going on. I mean Gislaine having a meeting with Trump's personal lawyer - now turned Deputy AG - right after Epstein blew up again in POTUS' face? after that she gets transferred to a low security Texas prison compared to what should be appropriate for a serial child molester lady and groomer in service of Epstein? and to top it off, actual talk about pardons and coincidentally she told people that Trump was a good boy all the way whne she was with him - you know serial perjurer Maxwell? people venting about criminals ruining the vestiges of the western way of life with liberal democracy and the rule of law are truly unbearable! keyboard trolls unite to cockblock the keyboard warriors! | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Is BillyBoy not JimmiC? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27200 Posts
On August 07 2025 06:16 Billyboy wrote: So you have not gotten past the title page either, sad. I guess at least you were not the most gleeful poster on election night like our self proclaimed socialist revolutionary. I have no plan for the US, and I couldn't help you because if all your most passionate people efforts stop at putting snarky posts on a message board your fucked anyway. What I can tell you is what I'm doing locally. We have a asshole MAGA wannabe premier who is talking separation from Canada. I'm a small part of province wide group to launch a new political party that will hopefully take away much of her support. We used to have to right parties, and they merged and the crazies took over. I won't even vote for the new party, but any support it takes away from our current government will be necessary for change and this new party will take far more from the far right then the left party. Then locally I'm part of council that is preparing to door knock before the referendum. I have a leadership position and a big job ahead of me to recruit, train, support and participate in the door knocking, knowing full well many if not most of the doors I knock in where I live I will be met with negativity to say the least. Seriously, you really think you are losing your democracy to a fascist and you have ZERO plan, not even an outline? You have organized nothing? You expectation is it will magically happen? WTF? Why do you expect people to take you serious, we have had a decade of the title page, you have a audience that 90% + self identify as left. If you have something share, if you don't stop bitching because you are exactly, if not more since you "know" of the problem than everyone else here. That sounds like it, if it happened before it can happen again. But you sound super certain it can not so I'm sure you have great reasons for this. Can you explain why the Brazilian democracy is so much more resilient then the US? Keep in mind the Brazilian right also controlled the judiciary and the leader of the left was imprisoned for corruption at the time. Brazilian democracy appears somewhat more volatile to me. Which also has considerable downsides. But one upside is it does seem more prone to people mobilising, and it having some impact. American democracy, minus some obvious exceptions is pretty stable, people may not like various facets of it, but either they trust the institutions of the status quo to basically function, or if they don’t, feel the status quo is kinda impossible to shift, by and large. It’s a very crude synopsis obviously, but I think a lot of Americans are so used to things (basically) functioning, and the only political engagement required for them to fulfil civic duty is voting, that they simply don’t know what to do when someone starts blatantly subverting those very systems. This is no particular indictment of America, I imagine it’s true of rather a lot of more ‘mature’ democracies at this stage. It’s like if I learned StarCraft solely playing NR 20 games with people, and suddenly I’m on the ladder and I’m getting cheesed suddenly.The gentlemanly macro agreement is off the table, and I’ve gotta adapt somehow, because I’m just going to keep on getting wiped. But the game has fundamentally changed for me regardless. But I dunno what that even looks like in this context, I think expecting people to have concrete, well-defined plans on how to fix such a collective failure is a pretty big ask, especially when prior orthodoxy’s failures is what kinda lead us here. Probably bare minimum you need people in certain positions to just refuse to do particularly egregious things. Then a buildup of the capacity for impactful protest, and just more of a culture of that all-round. Equally I dunno what juncture we’re at, I couldn’t speak to that with any confidence. My personal intuitive prescriptions would differ rather a lot depending on what we’re at. We could be at the MAGA Zenith, and when the glue that holds it together in Trump fucks off or dies, it dissipates to some degree. Equally this could just be the new normal, or direction of travel. I wouldn’t claim to be confident in ascertaining that, but my ‘plan’ as it were would differ pretty considerably in either case. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
What I can tell you is what I'm doing locally. We have a asshole MAGA wannabe premier who is talking separation from Canada. I'm a small part of province wide group to launch a new political party that will hopefully take away much of her support. We used to have to right parties, and they merged and the crazies took over. I won't even vote for the new party, but any support it takes away from our current government will be necessary for change and this new party will take far more from the far right then the left party. Then locally I'm part of council that is preparing to door knock before the referendum. I have a leadership position and a big job ahead of me to recruit, train, support and participate in the door knocking, knowing full well many if not most of the doors I knock in where I live I will be met with negativity to say the least. Seriously, you really think you are losing your democracy to a fascist and you have ZERO plan, not even an outline? You have organized nothing? You expectation is it will magically happen? WTF? Wow, this sounds so effective and Im sure door knocking would totally fix fascism in the US, lmao. I don't have a plan and don't claim to (not that dipshits around here don't always jump at anyone on the left demanding some colossal in depth plan as though every leftist must be some sort of messianic leader instead people like every other normal citizen in a country) I simply dont see any of the menial shit youre doing as effective against fascists who, as we've seen, use actual force. The only door knocking that would be useful against fascists in power is the kind you do with a battering ram at 1AM at the fascist's homes. The only future I see that doesnt involve fascists imploding on themselves is one where they win and I have to join whatever armed oppositional force exists and pray that whatever foreign force comes to put the fascists down does a good enough job and acts fast enough before the brownshits put me in Alligator Auschwitz for having a hispanic name. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46204 Posts
No idea. | ||
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Billyboy
1990 Posts
On August 07 2025 07:59 Zambrah wrote: Wow, this sounds so effective and Im sure door knocking would totally fix fascism in the US, lmao. I don't have a plan and don't claim to (not that dipshits around here don't always jump at anyone on the left demanding some colossal in depth plan as though every leftist must be some sort of messianic leader instead people like every other normal citizen in a country) I simply dont see any of the menial shit youre doing as effective against fascists who, as we've seen, use actual force. The only door knocking that would be useful against fascists in power is the kind you do with a battering ram at 1AM at the fascist's homes. The only future I see that doesnt involve fascists imploding on themselves is one where they win and I have to join whatever armed oppositional force exists and pray that whatever foreign force comes to put the fascists down does a good enough job and acts fast enough before the brownshits put me in Alligator Auschwitz for having a hispanic name. That you see it as menial would be hugely insulting if you were actually doing anything other then typing angry shit into the abyss and talking real tough. No one has asked you for what you have claimed they have, they have asked you for some real basic shit that if you had done ANYTHING you could easily answer. Your just to disaffected to do anything at all, or plain old lazy. And coming on here and insulting people actually trying I guess makes you feel superior or some other lame shit. If you really believe America is that dire and that is all that will work, then WTF are you not doing it? You would need to get some other people with you, but you would probably need to at the very least stop insulting anyone who asks you, what now? If you wonder why you to lesser a degree and GH all the time gets accused of play acting on the internet, it is because if anyone remotely competent thought the things that were written FOR REAL, they would do something, anything about it. That you think my questions are hard only shows that you have done absolutely nothing. And all these people that are not saying what I am, either don't believe you actually believe it, or do not think you are competent enough to accomplish anything. Sure they are being "nice" but they are not being kind. | ||
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