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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21698 Posts
2 hours ago
#103301
On August 13 2025 17:38 Magic Powers wrote:
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On August 13 2025 17:33 Gorsameth wrote:
I dont even think you disagree on what should happen for Palestinians to have a future. I think its that Kwark does not think any of those things have a chance of happening, based on politics, the state of the world and human history.

The current state of Gaza is the result of decades of negligence, you understandably want the current slaughter to end. We all do.

But if you look past tomorrow, if the slaughter ends the world is just going to go back to neglecting Gaza, the unmanageable situation will continue to compound, as is has for decades before. Some military/terrorist force be it Hamas or its inevitable successor will continue to further oppress the people and hate Israel and the next oct 7th is basically inevitable.

The situation is hopeless because Gaza is stuck in a never ending cycle it cannot escape from on its own and requires a monumental outside effort to break, and no one wants to or has any real incentive, outside of Israel, to commit to that.


I don't understand this argumentation. If we end the slaughter, then the slaughter will just continue? I don't get it. If the slaughter ends, then the slaughter ends. So what if it can happen again? It ended. That means there's a time where it doesn't happen. And that's infinitely better than the slaughter continuing. If it starts again later, then it hasn't happened in between, which is preferable to no pause to the slaughter. I don't understand what's so hard to understand about this.
Is anyone arguing it shouldn't stop? I admit I have only skimmed the last few pages, is anyone making the argument it shouldn't stop? Or is the argument that it should stop, but that the cycle of violence is basically unending?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44368 Posts
2 hours ago
#103302
On August 13 2025 17:49 MJG wrote:
Shouldn't this discussion be moved to the Palestine thread?


Please yes.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10718 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-13 11:09:44
3 minutes ago
#103303
Can the Trans debate pls also go there?
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