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On June 06 2025 00:02 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:
The idea that white nationalists would use some sort of transparent code to identify themselves and signal their beliefs is absurd, assuming you know absolutely nothing about white nationalists. At a certain point with oblade we should stop assuming he’s as stupid as he pretends to be (Elon musk K-pop) and start assuming he has some other motivation for always backing the Nazis. For the 88th time, I’m telling you that white nationalists have no kind of identifying signals or symbols they use to subversively signal to each other! Anyone could tell you that, in 14 words or less. Even if they did exist, I’m sure they’d be so opaque and clever that nobody who isn’t a white nationalist could possibly figure them out.
Wow you must have undertaken a 'QAnon level of analysis' to figure all this out!
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You know what's forgotten that shouldn't have been? In 2008, the main Republican argument for McCain and against Obama is that the latter was too inexperienced. POTUS is too important for "on the job training". That was the phrase they used over and over again.
Flash forward to 2017, when Trump blurted out classified information to a Russian diplomat. Republicans tripped over themselves to defend him. Paul Ryan got in front of a camera and said with absolutely zero shame: "Trump is new at this, we have to give him a little bit of grace" (paraphrased).
Now in 2025, Republicans are still fucking telling us about how they value merit over diversity. Lol. Lmao, even.
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He's just a very stupid man. Remember when the PM of Japan spoke to Trump of their shared political traditions of Liberal democracy and Trump went on a rant about California? Man literally does not know the name of the political philosophy underpinning America.
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On June 06 2025 00:28 LightSpectra wrote:
You know what's forgotten that shouldn't have been? In 2008, the main Republican argument for McCain and against Obama is that the latter was too inexperienced. POTUS is too important for "on the job training". That was the phrase they used over and over again.
Flash forward to 2017, when Trump blurted out classified information to a Russian diplomat. Republicans tripped over themselves to defend him. Paul Ryan got in front of a camera and said with absolutely zero shame: "Trump is new at this, we have to give him a little bit of grace" (paraphrased).
Now in 2025, Republicans are still fucking telling us about how they value merit over diversity. Lol. Lmao, even.
You know, I'm with you on this.
SECDEF is out here saying stuff like "imminent threat to Taiwan" and Ukraine is attacking strategic bombers and the debt is ballooning, it's times like these that the real important thing to remember is 17 years ago, Republicans soundly defeated Obama by criticizing his lack of experience and then turned around and hypocritically elected Drumpf despite him having the same flaw. Especially that Republican line "on the job training." Only a Republican could come up with something so treacherous.
Paul Ryan should be immediately censured, and frankly thrown out of the House of Representatives for his unwavering and unconditional support of Trump with no opposition whatsoever. It's shameful really. Just look at how these Republicans unfairly derided Obama for political purposes:
KNOXVILLE, IOWA -- Spending a day following Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, I was not surprised to hear her quote Franklin Roosevelt, any more than I've been surprised when she has invoked other Democrats like Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy. But when she began talking about the importance of electing a president with experience, she brought to mind a very different president.
In her speech here Monday, Clinton said that "there is one job we can't afford on-the-job training for: That is the job of our next president. That could be the costliest job training in history." She went on: "We need a president who understands the magnitude and complexity of the challenges we face and has the strength and experience to address them from day one…"
I know of at least one more Biden quote along these lines, referenced here in this August, 2007 debate: "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
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On June 06 2025 00:52 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 00:28 LightSpectra wrote:
You know what's forgotten that shouldn't have been? In 2008, the main Republican argument for McCain and against Obama is that the latter was too inexperienced. POTUS is too important for "on the job training". That was the phrase they used over and over again.
Flash forward to 2017, when Trump blurted out classified information to a Russian diplomat. Republicans tripped over themselves to defend him. Paul Ryan got in front of a camera and said with absolutely zero shame: "Trump is new at this, we have to give him a little bit of grace" (paraphrased).
Now in 2025, Republicans are still fucking telling us about how they value merit over diversity. Lol. Lmao, even. You know, I'm with you on this. SECDEF is out here saying stuff like "imminent threat to Taiwan" and Ukraine is attacking strategic bombers and the debt is ballooning, it's times like these that the real important thing to remember is 17 years ago, Republicans soundly defeated Obama by criticizing his lack of experience and then turned around and hypocritically elected Drumpf despite him having the same flaw. Especially that Republican line "on the job training." Only a Republican could come up with something so treacherous. Paul Ryan should be immediately censured, and frankly thrown out of the House of Representatives for his unwavering and unconditional support of Trump with no opposition whatsoever. It's shameful really. Just look at how these Republicans unfairly derided Obama for political purposes: KNOXVILLE, IOWA -- Spending a day following Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, I was not surprised to hear her quote Franklin Roosevelt, any more than I've been surprised when she has invoked other Democrats like Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy. But when she began talking about the importance of electing a president with experience, she brought to mind a very different president.
In her speech here Monday, Clinton said that "there is one job we can't afford on-the-job training for: That is the job of our next president. That could be the costliest job training in history." She went on: "We need a president who understands the magnitude and complexity of the challenges we face and has the strength and experience to address them from day one…" I know of at least one more Biden quote along these lines, referenced here in this August, 2007 debate: "I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
Yeah dude, "I'm more experienced" is a valid thing to say, nobody blasted McCain for saying he was more qualified than Obama. The blatant hypocrisy is that Republicans routinely appoint people like Hesgeth and David Richardson that have negative qualifications for their job while crying about qualified Democrats being "DEI" when they aren't white men.
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On June 05 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:
The idea that white nationalists would use some sort of transparent code to identify themselves and signal their beliefs is absurd, assuming you know absolutely nothing about white nationalists. At a certain point with oblade we should stop assuming he’s as stupid as he pretends to be (Elon musk K-pop) and start assuming he has some other motivation for always backing the Nazis.
Feel like that was, I dunno, years ago?
That said, oBlade is repeatedly kicking all of your asses. It's not that oBlade is right and you all are wrong (though sometimes that's true), or just the thing about not being able to help yourselves.
It's that the way you all engage discussions with oBlade, BJ, and others actually entrenches people like that in their beliefs and confirms fence sitters belief that you're insufferable elitists that even if right need to be taken down a peg. That's part of how we get Trump winning the popular vote despite a majority agreeing he's a dipshit.
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I'm very open-minded and certainly willing to consider the notion of "Elon Musk K-pop oBlade stupid" if I knew what the fuck it meant, because I know it can't just be the escalating dissociation of someone who immigrated to my country while wanting to physically blow up at least one of the branches of government - that would be too obvious.
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On June 06 2025 02:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:
The idea that white nationalists would use some sort of transparent code to identify themselves and signal their beliefs is absurd, assuming you know absolutely nothing about white nationalists. At a certain point with oblade we should stop assuming he’s as stupid as he pretends to be (Elon musk K-pop) and start assuming he has some other motivation for always backing the Nazis. Feel like that was, I dunno, years ago? That said, oBlade is repeatedly kicking all of your asses. It's not that oBlade is right and you all are wrong (though sometimes that's true), or just the thing about not being able to help yourselves. It's that the way you all engage discussions with oBlade, BJ, and others actually entrenches people like that in their beliefs and confirms fence sitters belief that you're insufferable elitists that even if right need to be taken down a peg. That's part of how we get Trump winning the popular vote despite a majority agreeing he's a dipshit.
And you rather stay away from voting and letting them win.
Also, what are you doing to convince him, or people like him, who we so myopically are entrenching?
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GH's plan is to agree with and repeat the dumbest Republican talking points, apparently. Right-wing PACs spend good money promoting "both sides bad" to depress Democratic turnout; they're doing it for free.
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Uhm the Trump & Musk relationship seems to be spiraling very very fast in real time
Trump threatens to 'terminate Elon's Governmental Subsidies and Contracts'
Donald Trump is going on a tirade on Truth Social against Elon Musk, saying:
Elon was ‘wearing thin,’ I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!
In a separate post, Trump added:
The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!”
Elon Musk: 'Donald Trump is in the Epstein files'
Elon Musk just claimed that Donald Trump is in the Jeffrey Epstein files, saying:
Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!
He went on to say:
“Mark this post for the future. The truth will come out.
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Everyone already knows Donald Trump flew to Epstein’s private island a bunch and bragged about liking them young.
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Welp, now's the time to invest in popcorn.
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On June 06 2025 04:09 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 02:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 05 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:
The idea that white nationalists would use some sort of transparent code to identify themselves and signal their beliefs is absurd, assuming you know absolutely nothing about white nationalists. At a certain point with oblade we should stop assuming he’s as stupid as he pretends to be (Elon musk K-pop) and start assuming he has some other motivation for always backing the Nazis. Feel like that was, I dunno, years ago? That said, oBlade is repeatedly kicking all of your asses. It's not that oBlade is right and you all are wrong (though sometimes that's true), or just the thing about not being able to help yourselves. It's that the way you all engage discussions with oBlade, BJ, and others actually entrenches people like that in their beliefs and confirms fence sitters belief that you're insufferable elitists that even if right need to be taken down a peg. That's part of how we get Trump winning the popular vote despite a majority agreeing he's a dipshit. And you rather stay away from voting and letting them win. Also, what are you doing to convince him, or people like him, who we so myopically are entrenching?
I vote.
I don't believe trying to convince people like them is sensible generally. I don't think anyone is trying to convince them anyway. Basically everyone that engages with them, every time, does so to "pwn them" in an attempt elevate their own self-image and/or emotionally vent.
I've already put forth the best plan for Democrats to succeed electorally. I believe the best way for the people that constantly bicker with people like oBlade to convince them, fence-sitters, and the rest of the country electorally, would be to relentlessly pursue a plan like I've outlined (modified/improved by those that engage with it), succeed, and then have people actually experience the QoL improvements.
Not the triangulation, lesser evilism, shame, blame and threaten strategy they've been using since Obama era Dems lost ~1000+ seats across the country.
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On June 06 2025 04:36 KwarK wrote:
Everyone already knows Donald Trump flew to Epstein’s private island a bunch and bragged about liking them young.
For sure, but for Elon Musk to go 180 on Trump with this type of guns-blazing...publicly?
To be fair I do remember journalists predicting that this would be happen at some point many months ago, but that it would unfold like this was not on my bingo card
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On June 06 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 04:36 KwarK wrote:
Everyone already knows Donald Trump flew to Epstein’s private island a bunch and bragged about liking them young. For sure, but for Elon Musk to go 180 on Trump with this type of guns-blazing...publicly? To be fair I do remember journalists predicting that this would be happen at some point many months ago, but that it would unfold like this was not on my bingo card they are 2 super massive egos.
This spat was entirely inevitable
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damn, the daggers are out now. crazy vs crazy. they both are/were so close to each other that... terrible terrible damage is possible for either side.
I am here for it though, a double meltdown of epic proportions 
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They are absolutely crashing out on each other after a fascinating series of events:
Trump brought in Musk, the president of capitalism, who said he could find $2 trillion in cuts, meaning more like $1 trillion conservatively by Musk overconfident estimate arithmetic.
He fixed some things but found significantly less.
Bessent blames Musk for not finding what he said he could. At the same time, passive Republican Congress allegedly won't move to legislate cuts advised by DOGE.
Now the fight is the Big Beautiful Bill on the table.
Neither side is communicating well at all. Massie and Paul are just spamming bullshit about "muh debt ceiling" despite that Massie's vote doesn't fucking matter since the bill already passed the House. Ron Johnson in the Senate as well They think, or they think the American people think, that "debt ceiling" is the same as "debt." For the same reason as "credit limit" isn't "money you owe," it just isn't. Musk says "this bill is full of pork." But nobody lists any specific pork.
WH/Thune/Speaker Johnson equally aren't explaining enough is this isn't an appropriations bill as such. The Big Beautiful Bill spends on the border and immigration, and on the military, and it cuts entitlements and Green New Deal stuff. Mainly, it cuts taxes a lot.
If you cut taxes, and you don't cut spending, you increase the deficit. If you have any deficit at all, you increase the debt, but you at least want to reduce the deficit. However, a nuance to be aware of is this bill is not supposed to be designed to cut spending, because spending was appropriated for half a year already in March.
Even passing this bill, you need a new CR or appropriations bills to pass by September to continue funding and keeping open the government - that is akin to what passed in March. This bill doesn't cut spending because it can't cut spending that already passed in March, with only 50+1 votes in the Senate through reconciliation. But it would set the stage for cuts in September being possible.
The Musk/Trump feud is interesting because it puts Democrats in a position where they have to take a side - either they come out against spending, or they come out against tax cuts.
Otherwise, complaining this bill doesn't balance the entire budget is kind of like inviting a contractor to paint your house, and then complaining your kitchen sink is still leaking. That wasn't the point. To redo everything now would need 60 votes, meaning Democrat votes, meaning never. Even though Schumer already came out pretending to agree with Musk that spending needs to be reigned in, when Schumer has never had an issue spending under the last two administrations except if it was spending to secure the border.
Basically it's like Star Wars Revenge of the Sith except instead of heroes on both sides, there are retards on all sides. You could nuke the filibuster and move faster but the support isn't there for that in terms of votes. This bill is better than the alternative of no bill because that would give leverage back to filibuster deadlock instead of making use of an opportunity. This bill is not ideal because it doesn't do cuts which it isn't physically capable of getting the votes to do until September, and also because the military doesn't need more money and the additional funding now is not likely to be accompanied by matching or exceeding defense cuts when the next appropriations bill or CR comes around. But tax cuts now increase the fiscal pressure for one party to cut spending more by September.
Edit: If the bill is so good, leadership should give people time to read it before voting to be fair.
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On June 06 2025 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:On June 06 2025 04:36 KwarK wrote:
Everyone already knows Donald Trump flew to Epstein’s private island a bunch and bragged about liking them young. For sure, but for Elon Musk to go 180 on Trump with this type of guns-blazing...publicly? To be fair I do remember journalists predicting that this would be happen at some point many months ago, but that it would unfold like this was not on my bingo card they are 2 super massive egos. This spat was entirely inevitable
Yeah Im not saying it wasnt a very predictable call, but personally I just didn't think it would be this fast and extreme that its turning into, in a span of .... 1h?
Hard to find a better example of "Well that escalated quickly"
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On June 06 2025 04:58 blomsterjohn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 04:36 KwarK wrote:
Everyone already knows Donald Trump flew to Epstein’s private island a bunch and bragged about liking them young. For sure, but for Elon Musk to go 180 on Trump with this type of guns-blazing...publicly? To be fair I do remember journalists predicting that this would be happen at some point many months ago, but that it would unfold like this was not on my bingo card
It is so strange to watch two of the most powerful men in the world have a public tantrum which is going to absolutely hurt them both is astounding. Hopefully this will end all the 4d talk, since clearly they are both just children and also help to remove some of the mythos around wealthy people being impressive.
The interesting part is going to be the fallout and who picks what side.
On June 06 2025 02:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:
The idea that white nationalists would use some sort of transparent code to identify themselves and signal their beliefs is absurd, assuming you know absolutely nothing about white nationalists. At a certain point with oblade we should stop assuming he’s as stupid as he pretends to be (Elon musk K-pop) and start assuming he has some other motivation for always backing the Nazis. Feel like that was, I dunno, years ago? That said, oBlade is repeatedly kicking all of your asses. It's not that oBlade is right and you all are wrong (though sometimes that's true), or just the thing about not being able to help yourselves. It's that the way you all engage discussions with oBlade, BJ, and others actually entrenches people like that in their beliefs and confirms fence sitters belief that you're insufferable elitists that even if right need to be taken down a peg. That's part of how we get Trump winning the popular vote despite a majority agreeing he's a dipshit.
Green, you can not speak to me about socialism until you read all the sacred texts and reach the 4th level of socialism, Horizons calling others insufferable elitist's, was also not on my bingo card.
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