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DarkPlasmaBall

United States43771 Posts

3 hours ago

#96061

On February 26 2025 23:44 Fildun wrote:
Did y'all really give up your entire democracy over the price of eggs lol

Nope, it's even worse than that, because Trump never actually had any intention of lowering the price of eggs.

GreenHorizons

United States22678 Posts

3 hours ago

#96062

On February 26 2025 22:47 Gorsameth wrote:

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On February 26 2025 22:22 GreenHorizons wrote:

On February 26 2025 21:36 EnDeR_ wrote:

On February 26 2025 21:22 GreenHorizons wrote:

On February 26 2025 21:00 EnDeR_ wrote:

On February 26 2025 19:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

On February 26 2025 04:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump and Republicans had promised that they wouldn't try to make cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. In the least surprising move of all time, Trump and Republicans lied, and they've proposed a budget that cuts nearly $1 trillion from Medicaid: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/02/25/medicaid-cuts-threaten-a-key-house-vote-on-trumps-agenda-today-heres-why-the-gop-is-divided/

Update: Despite 100% of Democrats voting to save Medicaid, the Republicans were still able to pass the budget that destroys it. That's what happens when Congressional Republicans are the majority. It took just one month for this to happen; I wonder how much longer until Medicare and Social Security are attacked.

But, you know, the Dems just didn't do enough to earn people's votes. Clearly, handing Trump all branches of the executive was a preferable outcome.

LibHorizons: I know people are still upset about the 2024 election, but it's over. What are we/Dems doing to fix the problem of Trump having all branches NOW?

What is Democrats' version of Project 2025?

DPB mentioned possibly primarying Dems like Hakeem Jeffries and Dick Durbin, but hasn't followed through with the metrics we're using to determine who needs to be primaried or any remotely sensible strategy to do so. So it doesn't appear to be sincere.

GH, you can't fix it. They have them, the election is over, as you say, and elections have consequences, as Reps like to say.

But sure, keep banging on how the Dems are terrible so Trump can keep them for the full term and do further damage.

LibHorizons: GH is a socialist, I'm a progressive.

Republicans fixed it. Obama had a much bigger majority than they do and his grand accomplishment was something Republicans rejected 50 years ago as too far to the right.

If your (or Gors') point is that democracy in the US is dead, so there's no reason for libs/Dems/ilk to organize in opposition to Trump for electoral wins, I have to disagree.

If your point is that you have to support Democrats no matter what, rather than make demands of them, I again have to disagree as that's not how we have ever gotten basically anything significant done in the US.

No my point was that the Democrats don't have a project 2025 (fascist takeover of the government) because they are not planning a fascist takeoever of the government but to actually govern in a democracy.

LibHorizons: That's what "Democrat version" means. In part, that it's not a fascist takeover. I think you knew that though.

I mean a deliberate and executable plan. One to gain power and use it, that people can organize around accomplishing.

For instance:+ Show Spoiler +

To flesh out DPB's advocacy for JO's advice to primary Democrats that aren't showing sufficient will to fight/oppose the Trump admin's agenda a bit: Not every Democrat needs to be primaried. Those of us in safe blue states with Democrats unlikely to not clear the bar for not being primaried can direct resources toward places where the Democrats do need to be primaried. But we need a reasonably objective way to determine which is which.

Thus far Democrats and their supporters have failed to provide that. I'm open to hearing their ideas, but lacking that, I feel obligated as a progressive to present something that is better than nothing. Sooo...

Having a deliberate and executable plan (with a simple name like "project 2025" or "The New Deal" or whatever) and making support for it be the litmus test. You support it, no primary. You don't support it, you get primaried, and the party doesn't bail you out. The party should let Bernie, AOC, and The Squad lead the way in setting the terms, but they've all shown they can be very reasonable and show deference to the party generally. So it's not as if they would ignore the needs/preferences of the more centrist parts of the party entirely, or even to the degree they've been pushed to the periphery by said centrists.

KT_Elwood

699 Posts

3 hours ago

#96063

The Republican budget resolution directs specific committees to achieve spending cuts or increases. Republicans leaked menu

of options includes:

At least $880 billion in cuts for the Energy and Commerce Committee, which could target Medicaid, Affordable Care Act (ACA) premium assistance, and repeal Inflation Reduction Act policies.
At least $330 billion in cuts for the Education and Workforce Committee, which could target student loan programs, income driven repayment, and Pell grants, Head Start, and School lunch.
At least $230 billion in cuts for the Agriculture Committee, which could target SNAP.
At least $50 billion in cuts for the Oversight Committee, which could target government employee retirement benefits and changes to federal workforce.
At least $10 billion in cuts for the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which could target restricting Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act funding, Essential Air Service, increasing the “tonnage tax” on cargo, and raiding the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund.
At least $1 billion in cuts for the Financial Services Committee, which could target the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and funding for financial regulators.
At least $1 billion in cuts for the Natural Resources Committee, which could include expanded oil and gas leasing and the repeal of Inflation Reduction Act policies.
Up to $4.5 trillion in new spending for the Ways and Means Committee, which could include tax cuts for the top one percent, repeal of Inflation Reduction Act policies, cuts to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families and Social Services Block Grant, cuts in Medicare payments to providers, and cuts to Affordable Care Act premium assistance.

https://amo.house.gov/press-release/amo-blasts-republican-controlled-house-rules-committee-for-rejecting-pro-medicaid-and-snap-amendments-to-budget-resolution

Okay they cut the yearly budget of 1 trillion by 1 trillion in 10 years, so only every 10th patient stops receiving healthcare, which is only about 7 million of the poorest people.

Vindicare605

United States16033 Posts

1 hour ago

#96064

On February 26 2025 23:44 Fildun wrote:
Did y'all really give up your entire democracy over the price of eggs lol

This is what happens when Congress refuses to scale back the power of the Executive Branch. Democrats got complacent that they could hold onto the White House despite overwhelming evidence of their growing unpopularity. They didn't try to scale back any of Trump's power grabs in Joe Biden's first term or use Obama's 2 terms to scale back the power of executive instead they just kept expanding it.

This is what happens when Supreme Court justices refuse to fucking retire when they should because they want a hand picked successor to replace them only to die when a Republican is in office and they get replaced with his crony.

It wasn't the price of eggs that brought us here. It was decades of complacency by the moderates in this country who refused to listen to voter issues and kept stoking the fires of extremism for the purposes of getting easy votes without actually doing anything to help voters. This is decades of systemic problems and corruption eroding away at an Empire from within until it builds into a full blown crisis.