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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On February 27 2025 21:11 r00ty wrote: Any thoughts on the sham cabinet meeting he chose to broadcast? After the prayer to thank the lord for Trump, the orange man went straight into the lies and opened with a statement that immigration went down well over 100% and everybody applauded him and nodded in agreement like an idiot. I think the most sane person in there was Marco Rubio. LibHorizons: Billionaire Musk literally standing in the shadows talking about how he's manipulating the government was something to see. It's okay though, it's just bad lighting, he isn't | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21710 Posts
On February 27 2025 21:55 oBlade wrote: How about remotely competent candidates?So as regards the current issue, if the Senate and White House are controlled by rivals, the Senate should stonewall all appointments until they get a compromise of... about half the executive appointments staffed with people they want? Not anti-vaxxers indirectly responsible for the first measels death in nearly a decade to which he responded with "that's not unusual". Not people accused of actual child sex trafficking. This used to be a bar that the US was able to clear, apparently no longer. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10726 Posts
On February 27 2025 21:55 oBlade wrote: So as regards the current issue, if the Senate and White House are controlled by rivals, the Senate should stonewall all appointments until they get a compromise of... about half the executive appointments staffed with people they want? No, they are supposed to find people that both sides can agree are competent and experienced enough for the job, despite being not politically aligned. Kinda like sane adults are supposed to find compromise and do find compromise all over the place in their everyday lives. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44384 Posts
On February 27 2025 22:50 Velr wrote: No, they are supposed to find people that both sides can agree are competent and experienced enough for the job, despite being not politically aligned. Kinda like sane adults are supposed to find compromise and do find compromise all over the place in their everyday lives. "Acting like an adult" is truly being redefined in real time, and it's appalling. Q: "Why don't you act like an adult?" A: "You mean like a real adult? Or, like, a Republican adult?" | ||
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Simberto
Germany11522 Posts
On February 27 2025 22:19 Gorsameth wrote: How about remotely competent candidates? Not anti-vaxxers indirectly responsible for the first measels death in nearly a decade to which he responded with "that's not unusual". Not people accused of actual child sex trafficking. This used to be a bar that the US was able to clear, apparently no longer. Exactly. A compromise should not be "Half the people are yours, half are mine". It should be "All the people are acceptable for both sides." That is also how it usually works. For example, here in Germany the supreme court is very unpolitical. The reason for that is that people on that court have to be put there with a 2/3 majority. This has worked pretty well so far, because it means that the people who get put there are boring but accomplished judges. Exactly the kind of people that should sit on such a court. It may eventually become problematic if the insane people get more than 1/3 of the seats in the Bundestag or Bundesrat, which is something we are scarily close to, too. But in the past, this has worked very well to produce a court that is widely accepted. There is some political compromise regarding who gets to propose judges, but the requirement for a 2/3 majority means that no one utterly partisan ends up there. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16715 Posts
Trump wants to make his 2017 temporary tax cut permanent. To do this his government needs money to replace the revenue lost. That money will come from tariffs. The primary reason for tariffs is to offset the money lost from the 2017 tax cut being made permanent. Before any one has a pity party about Canada. They decided to focus 80% of their country's exports on the USA. For all the complaining Canadians do about the USA they banked all their hopes and dreams on the purchasing power of the US consumer. It was not always like that. Canada left themselves vulnerable on many fronts. The people of Canada are about to pay a heavy price for the many bad moves of their government. On February 27 2025 22:10 Uldridge wrote: They should at least have people appointed that they can get behind a little bit. Doesn't that sound reasonable, to demand better players, because having 49% be ruled over by 51% is pretty ridiculous, no? It goes both ways, not just when Rs are in "power". oversimplification. the USA is a republic with multiple branches of government and multiple levels of government. For example, Nassau County is not a "sanctuary city" whereas its neighbour, NYC, is. People who don't want to live in a "Sanctuary City" can move. People who believe their cities should not arrest criminals can move to NYC or Chicago or any one of dozens of "Sanctuary Cities". For most people from other countries... moving from one USA state to another USA state feels almost like moving to a completely different country. In one state you can have a late term abortion and in another state you have to have an abortion within 6 weeks. Abortion debates in the USA are pretty hilarious.. Elaine's new bf's dream came true. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
"Your problem you didn't fix your future for yourself" You understand that, focusing on US export when there's a willing country that wants to take your stuff and is RIGHT NEXT TO YOU is like a dream come true for any exporting nation, right? You don't want the hassle of crossing multiple borders, or transporting with different media. You want to make your chain as simple as possible because that shit is so incredibly complex. Also, where are the federal laws passed? The Republic you speak of is working in a top down system that should represent its population. If you stack slight majorities of a party in every branch on the top level that has ramifications no matter how nuanced you want to get. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a US citizen and don't know all the top-down and bottem-up branches and lines and whatever, but my point holds. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16715 Posts
On February 27 2025 23:59 Uldridge wrote: "Just move bro" "Your problem you didn't fix your future for yourself" you can get to Nassau County from NYC by subway in 1 hour. its not a big deal. so many states in the USA are so small that a move from 1 state to another can be a 20 minute drive. So any one who objects to NYC politics or Toronto politics or whatever.. can move to Nassau County in the case of NYC. If you dislike the left wing Toronto... you can easily move to the hard core right wing Mississauga. I live in upstate New York. less than a 1.5 hour drive from where i grew up in Canada. 90% of Canadians live less than 100 miles from the USA/Canada border. I was part of that 90%. Million+ Canadians have Canada/USA dual citizenship. It ain't that big of a deal. In total 4+ million Canadians possess more than 1 citizenship. More than half of Torontonians were not born in Canada. So moving ain't that big a deal. This is not 1950. So we're not talking about some big, life changing move. A lot of times.. it is a day of paperwork and admin. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9660 Posts
He's walked right into a big ol' blunder imho (not that he was left with much choice). What Trump and Putin want is economically weaker European countries to remove an economic competitor. Of course they want us to spend all of our money on the military. That's partly what this whole thing has been about for the last 8 years or so. Of course, the UK stands apart from the EU, but with London being what it is, poor economic conditions in the UK brought about by the massive cuts required to satisfy the demand being made of our military can only benefit those who want further deregulation in the City of London (Russian Oligarchs who use London as a giant money laundering operation). | ||
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Byo
Canada207 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9122 Posts
On February 27 2025 21:02 WombaT wrote: I’m assuming you don’t buy the idea that there was zero pressure from the US here, and that Romanian authorities didn’t bend aye? Is this a big story over there and how do people feel about it? The timing of the release and their destination make this look sketchy, but on the other hand the prosecution was flailing long before the US election. We have a competence issue in our justice system, judges and prosecutors get to retire very early so they leave the system when they would have been at their peak, and because of the pensions and benefits the wrong type of people are bustling to fill those spots. It's a big story and the reaction to it is negative, but I'm not following things very closely. These days there's only a few people I can stomach talking politics with. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
On February 28 2025 00:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: you can get to Nassau County from NYC by subway in 1 hour. its not a big deal. so many states in the USA are so small that a move from 1 state to another can be a 20 minute drive. So any one who objects to NYC politics or Toronto politics or whatever.. can move to Nassau County in the case of NYC. If you dislike the left wing Toronto... you can easily move to the hard core right wing Mississauga. I live in upstate New York. less than a 1.5 hour drive from where i grew up in Canada. 90% of Canadians live less than 100 miles from the USA/Canada border. I was part of that 90%. Million+ Canadians have Canada/USA dual citizenship. It ain't that big of a deal. In total 4+ million Canadians possess more than 1 citizenship. More than half of Torontonians were not born in Canada. So moving ain't that big a deal. This is not 1950. So we're not talking about some big, life changing move. A lot of times.. it is a day of paperwork and admin. And moving all your shit and finding a place to rent/buy and paying up a deposit and and and. You might not have a problem doing this, because you're probably in the top 5% and you don't seem to care where you live(which also matters to people) Stop trivializing these things. People don't "just move". | ||
KwarK
United States42788 Posts
“I’ll tariff you!” “We’d prefer no tariffs but if you insist then we’ll tariff you back” “Tariffs delayed for another month, America wins again!” | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16715 Posts
On February 27 2025 23:59 Uldridge wrote: You understand that, focusing on US export when there's a willing country that wants to take your stuff and is RIGHT NEXT TO YOU is like a dream come true for any exporting nation, right? Canada's % of exports to the USA is higher than ever. When you do that you gotta make your customers happy. And your customers possess a deep respect for the military. If Canada wanted to be the USA's best friend they should have helped the USA substantially in other ways MILITARILY when they refused to join them in Iraq. If Canada wanted to be the USA's best friend they should've left the Paris Accord with them. Canada can not keep playing the "best friend" card when the country has not paid the price on the military front since 1940. For example, in the Korean War Canada incurred only a few hundred casualties while 35,000+ Americans died. Canada stopped being the USA's "best friend" a very long time ago. Pierre Trudeau wants to be best buddies with Fidel Castro? There is a price to be paid. If Canada is going justify its "best friends" status with the USA by bringing upWW2 like it was yesterday.. then a Canadian PM aligning with a militant Communist like Castro are also on the table. On February 28 2025 00:13 KwarK wrote: Trump isn’t negotiating with Canada at all. It’s just “I’ll tariff you!” “We’d prefer no tariffs but if you insist then we’ll tariff you back” “Tariffs delayed for another month, America wins again!” huh? The Canadian liberal federal government and every premier of every province has been negotiating with the USA on dozens of levels. America "won" because they got Canada to strengthen the border. It is so hilarious all the big busts now happening at the border. What a coincidence. https://globalnews.ca/news/11038329/coutts-border-crossing-drug-seizures/ | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On February 27 2025 23:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Trump is negotiating with Canada in bad faith. He keeps bringing up Fentanyl as the justification for 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico. The problem with this statement is that almost zero Fentanyl crosses into the USA via the northern border. Even with Mexico this reason is a BS excuse. The reason for 25% tariffs has nothing to do with the Mexico and Canada. Trump wants to make his 2017 temporary tax cut permanent. To do this his government needs money to replace the revenue lost. That money will come from tariffs. The primary reason for tariffs is to offset the money lost from the 2017 tax cut being made permanent. Before any one has a pity party about Canada. They decided to focus 80% of their country's exports on the USA. For all the complaining Canadians do about the USA they banked all their hopes and dreams on the purchasing power of the US consumer. It was not always like that. Canada left themselves vulnerable on many fronts. The people of Canada are about to pay a heavy price for the many bad moves of their government. oversimplification. the USA is a republic with multiple branches of government and multiple levels of government. For example, Nassau County is not a "sanctuary city" whereas its neighbour, NYC, is. People who don't want to live in a "Sanctuary City" can move. People who believe their cities should not arrest criminals can move to NYC or Chicago or any one of dozens of "Sanctuary Cities". For most people from other countries... moving from one USA state to another USA state feels almost like moving to a completely different country. In one state you can have a late term abortion and in another state you have to have an abortion within 6 weeks. Abortion debates in the USA are pretty hilarious.. Elaine's new bf's dream came true. You’re only noticing now that Trump does this? Canada did what any sensible country in their position would do. There’s a country next door that speaks the same language and is culturally similar, there’s a history of cordial relations we have things they want and vice versa, ergo that place is like the absolute obvious place to do a majority of trade with. Hey there’s a fractious history between Ireland and the UK, that’s obviously settled down. There’s a ton of trade and migration there for the exact same reasons. Neither nation is full of polyglots, it’s a natural link to pursue. The only scenario where that stops to make sense is if next door is suddenly run by insane people. Which hey, maybe you account for but largely doesn’t happen. Like an Irish businesses isn’t going to diversify and lose money hedging their bets on the off chance a new British Prime Minister rides into power with a promise to wage war and annex Ireland again, or impose brutal tariffs. Yeah sure it could happen but it’s so ridiculous that to run a business around that eventuality means you’re running a bad business | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16715 Posts
On February 28 2025 00:19 WombaT wrote: Canada did what any sensible country in their position would do. There’s a country next door that speaks the same language and is culturally similar, there’s a history of cordial relations we have things they want and vice versa, ergo that place is like the absolute obvious place to do a majority of trade with. No, Canada did not do this in the past. Trade between New York State and Ontario is easier than trade between Ontario and Quebec. french speaking Quebec is the 2nd largest province with a massive trade relationship with New York state. New York state has a better relationship with Quebec than Ontario does. That's on Canada to solve. Canada painted itself into a corner. Also, Canada can not defend its northern border. The difference in culture between Quebec and New York is massive. OTOH, the culture of southwestern Ontario is pretty similar to that of upstate New York. I think your over all generalization about similar cultures is ~65% true. In conclusion, Canada's biggest problem is not the USA. Canada's biggest problem is they have average leadership. Canada had genius level leadership in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s. As a result, Canada is declining. On February 28 2025 00:19 WombaT wrote: You’re only noticing now that Trump does this? don't you remember the TVO video i posted. "The Agenda's" Steve Paikin covers Trump's negotiating tactics in great detail. trump does this a lot. in negotiating with him you must know what is really going on as opposed to the noise coming out of his mouth. that is why i explained what is behind the tariffs. the signal to noise ratio of his messaging has been low for decades. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
“I have a lot of friends who are Republicans,” he said. “They are terrified of being the tallest poppy in the field, and it’s not as simple as being afraid of being primaried and losing their job. They know that that can happen. “It’s more more personal. It’s their personal safety that they’re afraid of, and they have spouses and family members saying, ‘Do not do this, it’s not worth it, it will change our lives forever. We will have to hire around-the-clock security.’ Life can be very uncomfortable for your children. Hey look, its how someone keeps their representatives in line, but (like everything these days) done by the worst people possible instead of a single person with genuinely good intentions. I can only imagine what state the country would be in if people had been throwing bricks through windows for the last 20 years. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
On February 28 2025 00:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote: trump does this a lot. in negotiating with him you must know what is really going on as opposed to the noise coming out of his mouth. that is why i explained what is behind the tariffs. the signal to noise ratio of his messaging has been low for decades. I actually can't believe you're giving this nice a treatment and think this guy is actually lucid and smart. He's mumbling, doesn't use any detail. You can call that a low S-R ratio, something that needs to be deciphered 'only by the smartest of people that know how to decode his messages' (why play that game honestly) or you could also say he's losing his marbles. I like to stick to the latter. Have fun putting your faith in a dementing 80+ year old. Also, and this is like a biological inevitability, people lose their frontal cortex inhibitor activity when they become older as their tissues degrade, so they legit become more abbrasive/rude without them being able to help themselves. This signals significant neuronal atrophy. | ||
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