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Broetchenholer
Germany1947 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
This point of view has, among the far left, evolved in two major ways the past few years: Firstly, a lot of people who used to be opposed to NATO became positively inclined once Russia invaded Ukraine. Indeed, the Socialist Left party of Norway - which originally branched out of the Labor party because they did not want Norway to be part of NATO while the governing Labor party did - officially changed stance in 2023, and no longer had 'Norway should aim to leave NATO' as part of their program after that. Part of this change was because they saw Russia as a bigger threat than they had ever seen the USSR (Norway actually had reasonable grounds to not fear the USSR, unlike eastern europe: After the Soviet Union helped liberate Norway from the nazis, they actually withdrew all troops voluntarily, unlike the eastern europe where they became a new occupying force), and part of the change was that the third option - joint defense with Sweden and Finland was no longer a viable option with Sweden and Finland joining NATO. Then, many Norwegians (seemingly, more than what used to be the case before the Russian invasion in the first place) have started questioning the whole alliance following Trump's statements, because they don't want to be allied with an extorting mafia fascist regime. Now, there seems to be more support of a joint European defense without American involvement, and also, slightly growing support towards joining the EU. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1094 Posts
- Weapon delievery to ukraine or budget for domestic production for ukraine - New defense budgets for german miltary. They are still a big party/org and having their own spectrum.. but I still don't understand the leftists stance with dictators, homophobes, misogynists just because they are from moscow or are pretending to be "good muslims" - while bashing every white boomer who has misgenderd a non binary person once per email as being "hateful". They always came across as cringy non-conformists that want to upset only those people who wouldn't mind their positions if they were a little more moderate about it, but are super tame to "victims" of circumstance like cultures that traditionally treat women like house elfs. New leadership is indeed more based. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45176 Posts
On February 26 2025 04:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump and Republicans had promised that they wouldn't try to make cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. In the least surprising move of all time, Trump and Republicans lied, and they've proposed a budget that cuts nearly $1 trillion from Medicaid: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/02/25/medicaid-cuts-threaten-a-key-house-vote-on-trumps-agenda-today-heres-why-the-gop-is-divided/ Update: Despite 100% of Democrats voting to save Medicaid, the Republicans were still able to pass the budget that destroys it. That's what happens when Congressional Republicans are the majority. It took just one month for this to happen; I wonder how much longer until Medicare and Social Security are attacked. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4985 Posts
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On February 26 2025 19:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Update: Despite 100% of Democrats voting to save Medicaid, the Republicans were still able to pass the budget that destroys it. That's what happens when Congressional Republicans are the majority. It took just one month for this to happen; I wonder how much longer until Medicare and Social Security are attacked. But, you know, the Dems just didn't do enough to earn people's votes. Clearly, handing Trump all branches of the executive was a preferable outcome. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On February 26 2025 19:24 Uldridge wrote: If I understand correctly, you only need 51/49 to make things happen in US congress, right? The rules are fairly opaque, they're using a budget reconciliation process which allows them to bypass the filibuster. Not that any of it makes any sense. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On February 26 2025 19:24 Uldridge wrote: If I understand correctly, you only need 51/49 to make things happen in US congress, right? LibHorizons: The vote DPB is talking about was in the House 217-215 (1 Republican defector) so that they could be a step closer to passing the budget through reconciliation which only requires 51/50 (VP to break tie). To do it they had promise to make $2 trillion in spending cuts, but they didn't actually commit to where those cuts would be from. Now they have to get the Senate to agree to the same legislation. Collins and Hawley did vote for an amendment to block tax cuts if Medicaid funding was cut, but it failed. That said, Senators are much less likely to be willing to cut medicaid. While it isn't explicit in the legislation yet, there's not really anywhere else for the cuts to come from. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On February 26 2025 21:00 EnDeR_ wrote: But, you know, the Dems just didn't do enough to earn people's votes. Clearly, handing Trump all branches of the executive was a preferable outcome. LibHorizons: I know people are still upset about the 2024 election, but it's over. What are we/Dems doing to fix the problem of Trump having all branches NOW? What is Democrats' version of Project 2025? DPB mentioned possibly primarying Dems like Hakeem Jeffries and Dick Durbin, but hasn't followed through with the metrics we're using to determine who needs to be primaried or any remotely sensible strategy to do so. So it doesn't appear to be sincere. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2777 Posts
On February 26 2025 21:22 GreenHorizons wrote: LibHorizons: I know people are still upset about the 2024 election, but it's over. What are we/Dems doing to fix the problem of Trump having all branches NOW? What is Democrats' version of Project 2025? DPB mentioned possibly primarying Dems like Hakeem Jeffries and Dick Durbin, but hasn't followed through with the metrics we're using to determine who needs to be primaried or any remotely sensible strategy to do so. So it doesn't appear to be sincere. GH, you can't fix it. They have them, the election is over, as you say, and elections have consequences, as Reps like to say. But sure, keep banging on how the Dems are terrible so Trump can keep them for the full term and do further damage. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22005 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On February 26 2025 19:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Update: Despite 100% of Democrats voting to save Medicaid, the Republicans were still able to pass the budget that destroys it. That's what happens when Congressional Republicans are the majority. It took just one month for this to happen; I wonder how much longer until Medicare and Social Security are attacked. 30% of Medicaid dollars goes to Medicare recipients. In effect, it already has. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9144 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On February 26 2025 21:36 EnDeR_ wrote: LibHorizons: GH is a socialist, I'm a progressive. GH, you can't fix it. They have them, the election is over, as you say, and elections have consequences, as Reps like to say. But sure, keep banging on how the Dems are terrible so Trump can keep them for the full term and do further damage. Republicans fixed it. Obama had a much bigger majority than they do and his grand accomplishment was something Republicans rejected 50 years ago as too far to the right. If your (or Gors') point is that democracy in the US is dead, so there's no reason for libs/Dems/ilk to organize in opposition to Trump for electoral wins, I have to disagree. If your point is that you have to support Democrats no matter what, rather than make demands of them, I again have to disagree as that's not how we have ever gotten basically anything significant done in the US. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1094 Posts
On February 26 2025 22:16 Dan HH wrote: You don't cut one trillion in essential services for tens of millions of people to give tax cuts to a handful of oligarchs if you expect one person one vote to remain the status quo. If I see it correctly the current budget of medicare in 2025 was supposed to be 951 billion dollars, and with the new proposal it's slashed to 70 billion. This tax cut is JUST enough to hand every US billionaire another billion in taxcuts for 2025. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22005 Posts
On February 26 2025 22:22 GreenHorizons wrote: No my point was that the Democrats don't have a project 2025 (fascist takeover of the government) because they are not planning a fascist takeoever of the government but to actually govern in a democracy.LibHorizons: GH is a socialist, I'm a progressive. Republicans fixed it. Obama had a much bigger majority than they do and his grand accomplishment was something Republicans rejected 50 years ago as too far to the right. If your (or Gors') point is that democracy in the US is dead, so there's no reason for libs/Dems/ilk to organize in opposition to Trump for electoral wins, I have to disagree. If your point is that you have to support Democrats no matter what, rather than make demands of them, I again have to disagree as that's not how we have ever gotten basically anything significant done in the US. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1094 Posts
Bearded trans bellydancers? | ||
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oBlade
United States5786 Posts
On February 26 2025 22:39 KT_Elwood wrote: If I see it correctly the current budget of medicare in 2025 was supposed to be 951 billion dollars, and with the new proposal it's slashed to 70 billion. This tax cut is JUST enough to hand every US billionaire another billion in taxcuts for 2025. You didn't - The budget resolution plans the Energy & Commerce committee to cut $880 billion over the course of 10 years (which happens to be the farthest you can pass spending that loses extra money without cloture in the Senate, and therefore would become an important limit if potential tax cuts outweighing spending cuts were to cause deficit increases), of which one of their fields is healthcare. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On February 26 2025 23:44 Fildun wrote: Did y'all really give up your entire democracy over the price of eggs lol ‘No I didn’t mean that kind of goose-stepping’ | ||
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