EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 4531
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium5159 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8865 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:37 MJG wrote: Sure, compared to where military figures would like them to be, but we're still supporting Ukraine because it's in our best interest to do so. America seems to be in a rush to cut their nose to spite their face. Bold strategy... I think if we completely stopped all military aid to Ukraine tommorrow, the rest of Europe together might catch up to the sum total we've aided them by 2026. You guys don't need us to beat Russia in Ukraine. You never did. It was just convenient for you. Time to be inconvenienced I guess. Not saying I'm happy about it, but that's the truth of the situation. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:38 evilfatsh1t wrote: lol america. cant say whether this result is going to be a net positive or negative for australia tbh, but its just hilarious to see the pathetically low level of intellect americans seem to have on average now. NOFX wrote The Idiots Are Taking Over when Bush Jr. was elected. They should've waited a couple of decades... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
The US was the chief driver in ostracising what is now Russia for a half century and are locked into a military alliance they also were the chief driver of Those impacts still haven’t dissipated. It’s less a case of fighting Europe’s battles and following through on battles the US itself chose to pick | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote: Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. It's not (just) Europe's battle though, this impacts the US almost as much as it does Europe. And it's not even a fair characterization of the help situation either, considering the EU has sent more help to the Ukraine both in dollars and percentage of GDP than the US. Don't get me wrong, Ukraine is absolutely dependent on US aid, but the idea of the US as some sort of altruistic sponsor for EU's problems is laughable. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1070 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:40 LegalLord wrote: Good stuff. Certainly hoping Trump can, in the end, deliver on some of the things he promised. Like releasing the Epstein files? | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4557 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:38 Uldridge wrote: Let's hope the Dems learn something from this. Because it's going to be a tough 4 years for them and anyone left from MAGA. They won't. The one constant in the Democratic party is that they never ever learn their lesson. 2016 should have been the wake up call for them, but nah they got lucky that the pandemic completely destroyed any of Trump's chances of winning in 2020. They got complacent with that victory again, even though it was fucking obvious to everyone paying attention that it was a fluke and that Biden was NEVER a popular president, and then they ran him again with no change to the gameplan. Surprise surprise. Here we are. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23954 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:41 Laurens wrote: Oh lord what is this speech about Musk and the rocket lmfao. He's going to make even his supporters second guess themselves before inauguration | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:18 WombaT wrote: I’m done with news for a bit I think I can point to many an error here or there, things I’d like to have seen etc but, losing the popular vote, to that degree? Where did that come from? I couldn't predict the popular vote, having little sense of judging turnout, but as an American, this wasn't surprising at all. Support for Trump was at least 60-70%, and I live in an urban blue center. If those in more left leaning bubbles got the message that the religious right and their harsh abortion stances are out of favor and that the new coalition is more supportive of abortion, I could honestly see that support creeping north of 75%. HUGE block of women that are all single issue abortion voters, and Trumps messaging on abortion wasn't especially aggressive. | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:43 L_Master wrote: I couldn't predict the popular vote, having little sense of judging turnout, but as an American, this wasn't surprising at all. Support for Trump was at least 60-70%, and I live in an urban blue center. If those in more left leaning bubbles got the message that the religious right and their harsh abortion stances are out of favor and that the new coalition is more supportive of abortion, I could honestly see that support creeping north of 75%. HUGE block of women that are all single issue abortion voters, and Trumps messaging on abortion wasn't especially aggressive. That last line is incredibly telling. The fact that Trump apparently wasn't aggressive in his messaging about abortion was apparently enough to make millions of Americans forget how aggressive he was in his platform about abortion. Apparently policy and platform is completely unconsequential as long as you don't actively shout the bad parts of it from the rooftops. | ||
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:40 Vindicare605 wrote: I think if we completely stopped all military aid to Ukraine tommorrow, the rest of Europe together might catch up to the sum total we've aided them by 2026. You guys don't need us to beat Russia in Ukraine. You never did. It was just convenient for you. Time to be inconvenienced I guess. Not saying I'm happy about it, but that's the truth of the situation. That the UK/EU can do it ourselves isn't the point. We've contributed more than America. The point is that America will benefit from stopping Russian expansionism, and so choosing not to contribute is naive idealism. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23954 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:49 Legan wrote: The worst thing about this is that it will be four years before the USA has another presidential election, and it is really hard to believe that things will change. Frankly, it is easy to assume that things will take several elections to improve, meaning that it can take anything from 4, 8, 12, 16, or 20 years. This is a point of no return for any sensible person imo. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26793 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:50 GreenHorizons wrote: This is a point of no return for any sensible person imo. It really fucking should be anyway | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:47 Mikau313 wrote: That last line is incredibly telling. The fact that Trump apparently wasn't aggressive in his messaging about abortion was apparently enough to make millions of Americans forget how aggressive he was in his platform about abortion. Apparently policy and platform is completely unconsequential as long as you don't actively shout the bad parts of it from the rooftops. Assuming you're not reading this the total opposite of what I am thinking.... I think this is an issue with the fact that religious conservatives have ruled or had substantial influence on the right for ages and ages. And, there are still states/governors that do...and are trying to pass some super aggressive restrictions on abortion in those states. I think the default for voters of either party is to do something like " Trump -> Oh ya he's Republican -> Republicans are anti-abortion" and then assume Trump is anti-abortion. He did mention a few times that he had clear opposition to any sort of national abortion ban, and would oppose such a thing, but my gut is that he would have done MUCH better if he had spent 20-50% of his campaign talking about abortion and just committed to being a full on pro-choice voter. Full state support for abortion, federally funded, abortions as late as you want.... spitballing, but I honestly think that would have kept 10-20M women home, and he wins in a landslide. | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
This feels a lot like every time Trump said something scandalous, and people went "ok this is the point where surely he's going to lose voters". I'm not convinced this is ever going to change in the US. If anything it's getting worse, and the rest of the world is following (or at least, going through the same thing). | ||
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