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On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner.
Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them.
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On November 06 2024 16:05 Sent. wrote:
I want to blame it on Biden realizing he's not a young man too late but now I'm not sure democrats could win even if they had a better candidate. This looks like a disaster and I can't point at any huge mistake Kamala did to throw away the advantage any "just okay" candidate should have over the Donald.
It won't be easy to accept 4 more years of Drumpf in daily news.
There are plenty of mistakes, but also Kamala is Kamala. A lefty California liberal who fizzled in the 2020 dem primary despite all the money and hype. She's not a talented politician and every knew that until the moment she was made the nominee.
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On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them.
If Germany spends 4% of its gdp on the military we'll have the 3rd to 4th strongest military force in the world. That's a bit much. People around us are gonna get nervous again. 
There were lots of pledges in Europe to keep support going for Ukraine no matter the election in the US, let's see how they hold up.
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Canada11607 Posts
@iPlay
You realize America was not sending over suitcases of money, right?
Most of that earmarked funding was actually just turning over old equipment (and in case of artillery ammo, what they would have had to pay to dispose of). And what money was getting spent, a decent portion of that was spent in America for American jobs to produce more ammunition, etc to resupply Ukraine. Not a lot of cash left over to line the pockets of oligarchs, unless the Oligarchs really fancy driving around Bradleys instead of sports cars and limos.
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For fuck's sake America. Seriously.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:05 Sent. wrote:
I want to blame it on Biden realizing he's not a young man too late but now I'm not sure democrats could win even if they had a better candidate. This looks like a disaster and I can't point at any huge mistake Kamala did to throw away the advantage any "just okay" candidate should have over the Donald.
It won't be easy to accept 4 more years of Drumpf in daily news.
I’m done with news for a bit I think
I can point to many an error here or there, things I’d like to have seen etc but, losing the popular vote, to that degree?
Where did that come from?
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On November 06 2024 16:14 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. If Germany spends 4% of its gdp on the military we'll have the 3rd to 4th strongest military force in the world. That's a bit much. People around us are gonna get nervous again. There were lots of pledges in Europe to keep support going for Ukraine no matter the election in the US, let's see how they hold up.
If people want to be afraid of Germany again, that sounds like a European problem.
The fact is, a LOT of Americans on both the left and the right are really sick and tired of being held responsible for policing the entire world. We're tired of paying for it, we're tired of being constantly fucking ridiculed for it.
A Donald Trump Presidency doesn't change any of our geopolitical stances in Asia. Donald Trump is just as if not more anti-China as Biden is. It does dramatically change our geopolitical stances in Europe, and to be perfectly fair Europe should be more than capable of taking care of itself.
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On November 06 2024 16:05 Sent. wrote:
I want to blame it on Biden realizing he's not a young man too late but now I'm not sure democrats could win even if they had a better candidate. This looks like a disaster and I can't point at any huge mistake Kamala did to throw away the advantage any "just okay" candidate should have over the Donald.
It won't be easy to accept 4 more years of Drumpf in daily news.
Given what the US electorate seems to value, they needed a worse candidate. P Diddy might have scraped the win for them.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them.
Which battles are those?
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On November 06 2024 16:18 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:05 Sent. wrote:
I want to blame it on Biden realizing he's not a young man too late but now I'm not sure democrats could win even if they had a better candidate. This looks like a disaster and I can't point at any huge mistake Kamala did to throw away the advantage any "just okay" candidate should have over the Donald.
It won't be easy to accept 4 more years of Drumpf in daily news. I’m done with news for a bit I think I can point to many an error here or there, things I’d like to have seen etc but, losing the popular vote, to that degree? Where did that come from?
Well
On November 06 2024 13:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 13:39 KwarK wrote:On November 06 2024 13:28 Zambrah wrote:
You'd imagine something like losing their civil rights would make people unhappy with the people who took away their civil rights, can't really blame someone for thinking that.
It is certainly becoming clear that American's don't actually value their civil rights in almost any capacity, though. Not when the alternative is a black woman. All the Biden haters are completely out of touch with the average American voter. Weekend at Biden's would have done better (it literally can't have done worse). Just run the oldest whitest man you can fucking find. It's not hard. Trump is the oldest man to ever be elected president. + Show Spoiler +Biden was already polling WAY WORSE and was FALLING and one thing we've learned tonight is that the polling was pretty accurate if not Dem favored.
Harris being a Black Woman probably didn't help but
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On November 06 2024 16:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. Which battles are those?
Russia.
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On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them.
"The times we can rely on others are over." Merkel after meeting Trump in 2017. We got the message and i agree that further emancipation is a good thing. You could frame that as him being a strong man, but i honestly think it was just her realising we're dealing with a mad man here.
Edit: For context of further posts i'd like to add, that i truly believe that Trump is basically a Russian asset.
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On November 06 2024 16:22 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:20 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. Which battles are those? Russia.
The EU is perfectly capable of defending itself.
But isolationism didn't work in the interwar period, it couldn't have worked during the Cold War, and it won't work now.
Do people really never learn from history?
Don't answer that. I know that they don't.
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On November 06 2024 16:25 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. "The times we can rely on others are over." Merkel after meeting Trump in 2017. We got the message and i agree that further emancipation is a good thing. You could frame that as him being a strong man, but i honestly think it was just her realising we're dealing with a mad man here. Edit: For context of further posts i'd like to add, that i truly believe that Trump is basically a Russian asset.
He's at the very least a useful idiot for the KGB if not an outright Russian asset.
It just turns out, that's a not a deal breaker to the majority of Americans.
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On November 06 2024 16:29 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:20 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. Which battles are those? Russia. Isolationism didn't work in the interwar period, it couldn't have worked during the Cold War, and it won't work now. Do people really never learn from history?
No offense, but you guys are the last people I want to be preached to about this. Aren't your armed forces an absolute joke right now?
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@Sent people defended BIden till he had a melt down on stage, Dude was forked prior to being elected. What are you talking about? Elected on the back of a pandemic and that's it.
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What a great morning in Europe, what a great day. America showing once again why its so special, World Peace really is back on the menu.
What a country.
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On November 06 2024 16:31 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2024 16:29 MJG wrote:On November 06 2024 16:22 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:20 WombaT wrote:On November 06 2024 16:08 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 06 2024 16:06 r00ty wrote:On November 06 2024 15:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 06 2024 15:52 r00ty wrote:
I'll be fine but the effects of this will be hard for a lot of people around me. The Volkswagen company basically announced having to close down a factory or two in Germany a couple of months ago. A 20% tarrif in the US should seal the deal.
The factory in my town is a very likely target and this would directly delete 10.000 high salary jobs out of a town of 300.000 people. Not even counting suppliers and the ones relying on those high payed workers. We're gonna get rust belted. It's mostly due to high electricity and energy prices making industry uncompetitive, due to Ukraine war and shutting down coal/nuclear power plants and using unreliable renewable energy and gas.Also why the UK has the highest electricity prices in the developed world. Hopefully Trump follows through, no more funds for corrupt Ukraine and lets try to end the war.It's been highly inflationary for both energy and foodstuffs. Most people here are fine with suffering for Ukraine and realise that a Putin win is much worse for everyone in Europe in the long term, even just economically. He is not a reliable partner. Another positive that might come out of this is that Europe will wake the fuck up and realize that America won't fight all of their battles for them. Which battles are those? Russia. Isolationism didn't work in the interwar period, it couldn't have worked during the Cold War, and it won't work now. Do people really never learn from history? No offense, but you guys are the last people I want to be preached to about this. Aren't your armed forces an absolute joke right now?
Sure, at least compared to where military figures would like them to be, but we're still supporting Ukraine because it's in our best interest to do so.
America under Trump seems intent to cut off their nose to spite their face.
It's a bold strategy...
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