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On June 30 2018 04:55 JimmiC wrote:For those interested Venezuela is considered an Authoritarian regime, they are ranked 117th of countries. 135th for Russia also a Authoritarian regime The states is listed at 21 as the second from the top "flawed democracy" Canada is # 6(good for us!) And Norway #1 You may or may not agree with the exact rankings but I think it is clear to see that Venezuela is far from democracy and makes it extra laughable when either Daunt or GH call it such. Or since GH likes to split hairs calls him a rightfully elected leader or whatever. http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/WhitepaperHandler.ashx?fi=Democracy_Index_2017.pdf&mode=wp&campaignid=DemocracyIndex2017
I really don't wan't to wade into that nonsense when it was so hard to get you to make some sort of acknowledgment about the statistic. Which is what it is. You can say he oversold it with his inflection if you want but that's drastically different than being wrong as you suggested, doubled, then tripled down on.
But to the use of "democratic" that was primarily in reference to Chavez (and various other leaders like in Chile), which I didn't think you disputed, and on Maduro... Honestly, it's not worth or relevant enough for me to bother trying to argue with you at this point.
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On June 30 2018 05:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:48 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:41 farvacola wrote:On June 30 2018 04:35 xDaunt wrote:
Ok, I finished the video that GH posted. It's a mess that omits all sorts of important stuff, most notably the massive refugee crisis that Venezuela's ongoing collapse has spawned. However, I actually agree with the guy on one point: a majority of Venezuelans do support Maduro and his policies, and it is not the place of the US to intervene there and usurp their democratically elected president. While I may quibble with the extent to which Maduro is democratically elected, I wholeheartedly agree that the US should not touch Venezuela or Venezuelans with a 10-foot pole. Let them have their doomed experiment. Venezuela is going to be a perfect monument to the failures of radical socialism. On June 30 2018 04:36 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 04:30 NewSunshine wrote:
I think the issue facing Venezuela right now is a very complex one, and I think that trying to suggest that the population which lives there now is directly responsible for things being the way they are, and that they chose for the country they're living in to be this way, is disingenuous to say the least. What's more, then saying that they deserve to rot in destitution for the rest of their life as a result is just aggressive, bordering on hateful. Nah fuck it, it's outright hateful. I agree, I hope the people are able to over throw the dictator that is currently keeping them down and not just with a different dictator but rather with a system that has some checks and balances and can work long term. Why GH is so frustrating is because the dictator outwardly supports his views he wears rose colored glasses in regards to what he is actually doing to his nation. Chavez had huge personal wealth and Maduro is now gaining huge personal wealth. Odd how these "true" socialists all end up with huge wealth and power. Odd how they also only give the power up through death. JimmiC and dauntless' posts just above this one are perfect contrasting examples of how to regard the politics of a particular nation. One loads up the polemics, twists the inferences in favor of false certainty, and basically says nothing other than "I HATE NON CAPITALISTS" while the other is equivocal, conscientious in its conclusions, and careful to cabin it's conclusions with an acknowledgement that Venezuela's problems may have more to do with the people in power than the name of the system the nation claims to follow. Thank you for that  Venezuela is a democratic country. Maduro is a reflection of Venezuela's people and its institutions. So yes, I feel quite comfortable indicting both. They are as democratic as Russia. Yep. And Putin is also a reflection of the Russian people. I'll say the same thing about the Chinese and China. They like their totalitarian leadership with the trappings of quasi-democracy. It is reflective of section of Russian people that openly support Putin. The ones who don’t support him don’t speak out of fear and their numbers are unknown. Do you doubt that Putin has majority support in Russia? I don't. I'm sure that there are dissenters, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reflects the majority of Russians. Just to be clear, y'all aren't imprinting your own values upon the peoples of these other countries, are you? Not everyone accepts the superiority of our western sensibilities, and, consequently, they have very different ideas regarding the relationship between the individual and the state than we do. Do I doubt that Putin has the majority of support in Russia? Yes, I have doubts he has majority support. Do I believe that Russians might have a different opinion of him if they had a free and open press? Yes. I am not even imprinting my own values on Russia. I see Russia for what it is, a foreign country that has a government invested in repressing information, both to its people and to foreign powers. There are sections of Russia that are black boxes. I do not feel I have enough information to believe anything about that countries politics with certainty. So why do you think that Russia relapsed back into authoritarianism after the fall of the Soviet Union?
It’s been a slow slide, but it is on its way to a version of authoritarianism since Putin obtained power. He is never going to lose an election while he is alive. And a section of his people want it, because there is an appeal to authoritarianism. One that no nation, not even America, is immune to.
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On June 30 2018 05:05 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:03 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:48 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:41 farvacola wrote:On June 30 2018 04:35 xDaunt wrote:
Ok, I finished the video that GH posted. It's a mess that omits all sorts of important stuff, most notably the massive refugee crisis that Venezuela's ongoing collapse has spawned. However, I actually agree with the guy on one point: a majority of Venezuelans do support Maduro and his policies, and it is not the place of the US to intervene there and usurp their democratically elected president. While I may quibble with the extent to which Maduro is democratically elected, I wholeheartedly agree that the US should not touch Venezuela or Venezuelans with a 10-foot pole. Let them have their doomed experiment. Venezuela is going to be a perfect monument to the failures of radical socialism. On June 30 2018 04:36 JimmiC wrote:
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I agree, I hope the people are able to over throw the dictator that is currently keeping them down and not just with a different dictator but rather with a system that has some checks and balances and can work long term.
Why GH is so frustrating is because the dictator outwardly supports his views he wears rose colored glasses in regards to what he is actually doing to his nation. Chavez had huge personal wealth and Maduro is now gaining huge personal wealth. Odd how these "true" socialists all end up with huge wealth and power. Odd how they also only give the power up through death. JimmiC and dauntless' posts just above this one are perfect contrasting examples of how to regard the politics of a particular nation. One loads up the polemics, twists the inferences in favor of false certainty, and basically says nothing other than "I HATE NON CAPITALISTS" while the other is equivocal, conscientious in its conclusions, and careful to cabin it's conclusions with an acknowledgement that Venezuela's problems may have more to do with the people in power than the name of the system the nation claims to follow. Thank you for that Venezuela is a democratic country. Maduro is a reflection of Venezuela's people and its institutions. So yes, I feel quite comfortable indicting both. They are as democratic as Russia. Yep. And Putin is also a reflection of the Russian people. I'll say the same thing about the Chinese and China. They like their totalitarian leadership with the trappings of quasi-democracy. It is reflective of section of Russian people that openly support Putin. The ones who don’t support him don’t speak out of fear and their numbers are unknown. Do you doubt that Putin has majority support in Russia? I don't. I'm sure that there are dissenters, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reflects the majority of Russians. Just to be clear, y'all aren't imprinting your own values upon the peoples of these other countries, are you? Not everyone accepts the superiority of our western sensibilities, and, consequently, they have very different ideas regarding the relationship between the individual and the state than we do. Do I doubt that Putin has the majority of support in Russia? Yes, I have doubts he has majority support. Do I believe that Russians might have a different opinion of him if they had a free and open press? Yes. I am not even imprinting my own values on Russia. I see Russia for what it is, a foreign country that has a government invested in repressing information, both to its people and to foreign powers. There are sections of Russia that are black boxes. I do not feel I have enough information to believe anything about that countries politics with certainty. So why do you think that Russia relapsed back into authoritarianism after the fall of the Soviet Union? Wait do you think that happened because the people wanted authoritarianism?
"Want" is probably too strong of a word. But think about how the Russian people have been conditioned to live over the past millennium. If there are two things that the Russians know, they are suffering and dictators. Freedom isn't exactly something that comes naturally to Russians.
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What Dauntless is talking about is the concept of a “democratic tradition” within a nation’s culture. Nations that did not go through the century long push to democracy tend to turn back to their previous government types(dictatorship/theocracy) when the democratic process hits a rough patch. Because they national culture does not have experience in the durability of a democratic system, they do not see the next election as a way to remedy the problem. The experiment failed, time to go back to a strong leader to solve problems.
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Court blocked Kentucky's Medicaid work requirement. The judge absolutely rips it apart based on how it would make 95k residents ineligible. This sets up a confrontation with the Trump admin, which granted Kentucky a waiver to implement the work requirements.
Worth noting, the state attempted to hold the Medicaid expansion hostage and threatened to roll it back in its entirety if the judge ruled against the work requirement. Lol, okay.
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On June 30 2018 04:15 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 01:35 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 00:39 iamthedave wrote:On June 30 2018 00:26 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 00:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On June 29 2018 22:38 xDaunt wrote:On June 29 2018 22:34 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 29 2018 22:28 xDaunt wrote:
Let’s just presume that we abolish ICE. What next? What do we put in its place, if anything? Go back to not having it. Immigration isn't a big problem. If anything we have a refugee issue at the border. ICE doesn't really do much for that in the first place. The little it does can be put back under control of the Customs and Border Protection. It a wasteful and redundant organization you should probably be in favor of abolishing anyway. Of course I would go further, but it would be no big deal at all if they ceased existing tomorrow (other than people lost in their system perhaps). Refugees are a problem. Illegal immigration is a problem. And if Obrador becomes the next Chavez, we are going to be fucked if we don’t lock down the southern border. What is the data that shows we have a problem? Everything I've seen is that migration comes in waves throughout US history. The from South America wave looks done - most new immigrants are from Asia now, right? What, are you not paying to attention to the mess over in Europe? Yeah, the Europeans are clearly having a great time with the massive influx of refugees and migrants arriving at their shores. Also, Trump is clearly the 'next Chavez'. I expect better than this from you. Chavez murdered his country and Maduro is putting the final nails in the coffin. Comparing Trump to Chavez is simply retarded. Didn't Chavez completely turn Venezuala around and make it an incredibly successful country during almost his entire tenure? I mean... that's why he became famous, wasn't it? Because he made socialism work for a bit? Found this from a basic article about Maduro, discussing his predecessor: "Under his rule, Venezuela’s unemployment rate halved, income per capita more than doubled, the poverty rate fell by more than half, education improved, and infant mortality rates declined" Doesn't sound like 'murdering his country' to me. If your argument is going to be about short-sighted, short term economic policy that wasn't sustainable... well... I'm not sure that's the path to take, given that's all the US has done recently. My boss is from Venezuala, he came because of the violence, corruption and he will never go go back even to visit. I think you can reasonably say leadership there has done a terrible job and the country is in a much worse state then it was before them. They also slowly changed a democracy into a dictatorship. Anything about Trump is this line is impossible to know because he hasn't been around long enough. The comparison is not a good one. GH lets go back to my first point. I am talking about the country now, I have been since the start, you putting this Chavez killed the country thing is you not me. Second my links did not disprove my point, they show how shitty it is there. And there is no way they are ranked 6th when they are not in the top 50. As for all the other "facts" it spouts it does not provide sources.
For the record, that was XDaunt who said that, and me quoting him, that led to this entire exchange.
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On June 30 2018 05:17 ticklishmusic wrote:https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/1012784600085598208Court blocked Kentucky's Medicaid work requirement. The judge absolutely rips it apart based on how it would make 95k residents ineligible. This sets up a confrontation with the Trump admin, which granted Kentucky a waiver to implement the work requirements. Worth noting, the state attempted to hold the Medicaid expansion hostage and threatened to roll it back in its entirety if the judge ruled against the work requirement. Lol, okay.
I find it amazing that this state can screw over it overwhelming poor citizens on healthcare for almost a decade and no one is paying the price. It just shows how tight of a cultural hold the prosperity gospel mindset has. This used to be lunch pail union country.
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On June 30 2018 05:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:05 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 05:03 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:48 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:41 farvacola wrote:[quote] [quote] JimmiC and dauntless' posts just above this one are perfect contrasting examples of how to regard the politics of a particular nation. One loads up the polemics, twists the inferences in favor of false certainty, and basically says nothing other than "I HATE NON CAPITALISTS" while the other is equivocal, conscientious in its conclusions, and careful to cabin it's conclusions with an acknowledgement that Venezuela's problems may have more to do with the people in power than the name of the system the nation claims to follow. Thank you for that Venezuela is a democratic country. Maduro is a reflection of Venezuela's people and its institutions. So yes, I feel quite comfortable indicting both. They are as democratic as Russia. Yep. And Putin is also a reflection of the Russian people. I'll say the same thing about the Chinese and China. They like their totalitarian leadership with the trappings of quasi-democracy. It is reflective of section of Russian people that openly support Putin. The ones who don’t support him don’t speak out of fear and their numbers are unknown. Do you doubt that Putin has majority support in Russia? I don't. I'm sure that there are dissenters, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reflects the majority of Russians. Just to be clear, y'all aren't imprinting your own values upon the peoples of these other countries, are you? Not everyone accepts the superiority of our western sensibilities, and, consequently, they have very different ideas regarding the relationship between the individual and the state than we do. Do I doubt that Putin has the majority of support in Russia? Yes, I have doubts he has majority support. Do I believe that Russians might have a different opinion of him if they had a free and open press? Yes. I am not even imprinting my own values on Russia. I see Russia for what it is, a foreign country that has a government invested in repressing information, both to its people and to foreign powers. There are sections of Russia that are black boxes. I do not feel I have enough information to believe anything about that countries politics with certainty. So why do you think that Russia relapsed back into authoritarianism after the fall of the Soviet Union? Wait do you think that happened because the people wanted authoritarianism? "Want" is probably too strong of a word. But think about how the Russian people have been conditioned to live over the past millennium. If there are two things that the Russians know, they are suffering and dictators. Freedom isn't exactly something that comes naturally to Russians.
So... why DO you think Russia ended up with Putin?
Go deeper than 'they like Putin' please. Because it's kind of obvious why Putin ended up in power if you're even slightly familiar with Russian history and politics, why they ended up authoritarian, and why he has majority support, and that support is genuine. But the half-statements and lazy inferences getting thrown around are annoying, so I want to see if you actually know what you're talking about. Because I do, and I don't think the rise of Putin proves the point you think it does.
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On June 30 2018 05:10 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 30 2018 04:55 JimmiC wrote:For those interested Venezuela is considered an Authoritarian regime, they are ranked 117th of countries. 135th for Russia also a Authoritarian regime The states is listed at 21 as the second from the top "flawed democracy" Canada is # 6(good for us!) And Norway #1 You may or may not agree with the exact rankings but I think it is clear to see that Venezuela is far from democracy and makes it extra laughable when either Daunt or GH call it such. Or since GH likes to split hairs calls him a rightfully elected leader or whatever. http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/WhitepaperHandler.ashx?fi=Democracy_Index_2017.pdf&mode=wp&campaignid=DemocracyIndex2017 I really don't wan't to wade into that nonsense when it was so hard to get you to make some sort of acknowledgment about the statistic. Which is what it is. You can say he oversold it with his inflection if you want but that's drastically different than being wrong as you suggested, doubled, then tripled down on. But to the use of Democracy that was primarily in reference to Chavez, which I didn't think you disputed, and on Maduro... Honestly, it's not worth or relevant enough for me to bother trying to argue with you at this point. In other words you know you are wrong and this hair splitting is the easiest way for you to save face with yourself. It is clear I was talking about Maduro from the start. It is clear he is a dictator. It is clear he is running the country into the ground. But you support him because he is a "leftist" like you. I suspect you live a very privileged life and it fun to sit up on your soap box. But based on this and your other comments I find it very hard to believe that you have any direct experience, that you yourself are even living "your values" and that you are interested in any facts other then those that support your own opinion.
This is where our paths crossed.
The rest of us were addressing the "Chavez killed his country" part, I tried to focus on that, since that would be hard enough to demonstrate. Then you refused to accept the facts presented to you by yourself several times so I was confident in my prediction addressing Maduro, where the information is more muddied, would be a futile effort
I mean I'd take him over Trump, but that's a low bar. As with Chavez, though less so as you've demonstrated a stubbornness I've been encouraged to stop, I'm more against US and western sponsored propaganda/terrorists/military forces bullying Venezuela than I am "pro Maduro". I'm not of his people so I can't really speak to their experience more than I've tried to demonstrate in this context, and I'm less familiar with reliable sources for some of the more recent developments.
As for my privilege, I acknowledge it, I'm plenty privileged. But for most people here it would be a noticeable step down. As Chris Rock put it, none of the white people in this room would change places with me... and I'M RICH!"
But that's all I'll say because I'm trying to be better (improvement on my own past behavior) about this and I can tell you're going to need the last word.
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On June 30 2018 05:27 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:05 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 05:03 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:48 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 04:43 xDaunt wrote:
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Venezuela is a democratic country. Maduro is a reflection of Venezuela's people and its institutions. So yes, I feel quite comfortable indicting both. They are as democratic as Russia. Yep. And Putin is also a reflection of the Russian people. I'll say the same thing about the Chinese and China. They like their totalitarian leadership with the trappings of quasi-democracy. It is reflective of section of Russian people that openly support Putin. The ones who don’t support him don’t speak out of fear and their numbers are unknown. Do you doubt that Putin has majority support in Russia? I don't. I'm sure that there are dissenters, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reflects the majority of Russians. Just to be clear, y'all aren't imprinting your own values upon the peoples of these other countries, are you? Not everyone accepts the superiority of our western sensibilities, and, consequently, they have very different ideas regarding the relationship between the individual and the state than we do. Do I doubt that Putin has the majority of support in Russia? Yes, I have doubts he has majority support. Do I believe that Russians might have a different opinion of him if they had a free and open press? Yes. I am not even imprinting my own values on Russia. I see Russia for what it is, a foreign country that has a government invested in repressing information, both to its people and to foreign powers. There are sections of Russia that are black boxes. I do not feel I have enough information to believe anything about that countries politics with certainty. So why do you think that Russia relapsed back into authoritarianism after the fall of the Soviet Union? Wait do you think that happened because the people wanted authoritarianism? "Want" is probably too strong of a word. But think about how the Russian people have been conditioned to live over the past millennium. If there are two things that the Russians know, they are suffering and dictators. Freedom isn't exactly something that comes naturally to Russians. So... why DO you think Russia ended up with Putin? Go deeper than 'they like Putin' please. Because it's kind of obvious why Putin ended up in power if you're even slightly familiar with Russian history and politics, why they ended up authoritarian, and why he has majority support, and that support is genuine. But the half-statements and lazy inferences getting thrown around are annoying, so I want to see if you actually know what you're talking about. Because I do, and I don't think the rise of Putin proves the point you think it does.
Like I alluded with my previous comments, the Russians are a broken people. They are conditioned to want and accept rulers like Putin. With the exception of the brief Yeltsin years, the Russians haven't known anything else in 1,000 years. For that reason, the Russians will tolerate things that Americans and the English -- who have vastly different traditions -- won't. Similarly, it is entirely uncoincidental that the Latin American countries have a rich history of electing leaders like Chavez. It's a reflection of their tradition and culture.
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On June 30 2018 05:36 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2018 05:27 iamthedave wrote:On June 30 2018 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:05 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2018 05:03 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 05:01 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:50 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2018 04:48 xDaunt wrote:On June 30 2018 04:45 JimmiC wrote:
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They are as democratic as Russia. Yep. And Putin is also a reflection of the Russian people. I'll say the same thing about the Chinese and China. They like their totalitarian leadership with the trappings of quasi-democracy. It is reflective of section of Russian people that openly support Putin. The ones who don’t support him don’t speak out of fear and their numbers are unknown. Do you doubt that Putin has majority support in Russia? I don't. I'm sure that there are dissenters, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reflects the majority of Russians. Just to be clear, y'all aren't imprinting your own values upon the peoples of these other countries, are you? Not everyone accepts the superiority of our western sensibilities, and, consequently, they have very different ideas regarding the relationship between the individual and the state than we do. Do I doubt that Putin has the majority of support in Russia? Yes, I have doubts he has majority support. Do I believe that Russians might have a different opinion of him if they had a free and open press? Yes. I am not even imprinting my own values on Russia. I see Russia for what it is, a foreign country that has a government invested in repressing information, both to its people and to foreign powers. There are sections of Russia that are black boxes. I do not feel I have enough information to believe anything about that countries politics with certainty. So why do you think that Russia relapsed back into authoritarianism after the fall of the Soviet Union? Wait do you think that happened because the people wanted authoritarianism? "Want" is probably too strong of a word. But think about how the Russian people have been conditioned to live over the past millennium. If there are two things that the Russians know, they are suffering and dictators. Freedom isn't exactly something that comes naturally to Russians. So... why DO you think Russia ended up with Putin? Go deeper than 'they like Putin' please. Because it's kind of obvious why Putin ended up in power if you're even slightly familiar with Russian history and politics, why they ended up authoritarian, and why he has majority support, and that support is genuine. But the half-statements and lazy inferences getting thrown around are annoying, so I want to see if you actually know what you're talking about. Because I do, and I don't think the rise of Putin proves the point you think it does. Like I alluded with my previous comments, the Russians are a broken people. They are conditioned to want and accept rulers like Putin. With the exception of the brief Yeltsin years, the Russians haven't known anything else in 1,000 years. For that reason, the Russians will tolerate things that Americans and the English -- who have vastly different traditions -- won't. Similarly, it is entirely uncoincidental that the Latin American countries have a rich history of electing leaders like Chavez. It's a reflection of their tradition and culture.
How do Black Americans figure into this genetic leadership legacy thing you've got going on here?
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Just like NA voted Trump. It's a reflection of their tradition and culture.
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On June 30 2018 05:41 Furikawari wrote:
Just like NA voted Trump. It's a reflection of their tradition and culture.
The allure of a “strong” leader coming to power and fixing all the problems that plague the nation is a strong one. And allure of familiarity, like a charismatic but kinda racist uncle that talks about his robust business deals and how he straightens things out when he gets on the scene. People voted for Bush because they felt they could have a beer with him. People voted for Trump because he promised to punch Washington in the face and save their dying communities.
At the same time, they also voted for the same politicians that are killing their dying communities.
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Wow all this hate for socialism. The irony, is there is a large amount of socialism baked into our Constitution which people seem to forget. Article 1 Section 8 is a good example, where it mandates Congress to mint and tax to provide for the people. Our most popular (and I would argue- greatest) president ever was a Democratic Socialist. Elected four times, brought us out of the Great Depression, defeated fascism, gave us full employment, and was so loved that term limits were created to prevent it from happening ever again. When people say that this country would never accept an "avowed socialist" *sic*, perhaps they fell asleep in history class.
I also find it funny that someone earlier claimed that NPR was a reliable source. It is nothing more than corporatist and Clintonite propaganda and completely off when it comes to economics and how our monetary system operates. But this is a huge problem throughout our society. There is a woeful lack of education combined with severe propaganda campaigns to keep everyone misinformed. It allows politicians to play us like fools.
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