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On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change.
Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell.
Hell, congress (both parties) can't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading.
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On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading.
Fixed that for ya. 
I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it.
Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing.
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On February 16 2022 23:29 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading. Fixed that for ya. I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it. Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing.
Haha, thank you for the correction. Some would say it is not the two side trying to bring each other down, but the two sides posturing like they are trying to bring each other while trying to continue the status quo for everyone.
Clinton and Trump have been accused by the other side of illegal activity and threatened with jail for over 5 years now, but hey just keep waiting for the next "investigation" to get completed and maybe something will change. Thrown in the Biden's alleged shady business dealings as well, nothing is going to happen.
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On February 17 2022 00:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 23:55 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:29 Zambrah wrote:On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading. Fixed that for ya. I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it. Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing. Haha, thank you for the correction. Some would say it is not the two side trying to bring each other down, but the two sides posturing like they are trying to bring each other while trying to continue the status quo for everyone. Clinton and Trump have been accused by the other side of illegal activity and threatened with jail for over 5 years now, but hey just keep waiting for the next "investigation" to get completed and maybe something will change. Thrown in the Biden's alleged shady business dealings as well, nothing is going to happen. Its not the same, Trump is actual legal trouble the other was just political posturing. Even his accounting firm dumped him.
As far as anything happening against either of them legally, the result is EXACTLY the same. I can't speak to the exact particulars, all I know is they're both powerful politicians in the USA so fuck all is going to happen to either.
It sounds to me like you think Trump is the most corrupt guy around and you might be right. Still nothing has happened. The system of justice is designed by the right and powerful for the rich and powerful unfortunately.
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Yeah, America makes a lot more sense if you view things not through a right/left/Republican/Democrat but through a rich/not rich lens imo.
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On February 17 2022 00:01 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 23:55 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:29 Zambrah wrote:On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading. Fixed that for ya. I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it. Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing. Haha, thank you for the correction. Some would say it is not the two side trying to bring each other down, but the two sides posturing like they are trying to bring each other while trying to continue the status quo for everyone. Clinton and Trump have been accused by the other side of illegal activity and threatened with jail for over 5 years now, but hey just keep waiting for the next "investigation" to get completed and maybe something will change. Thrown in the Biden's alleged shady business dealings as well, nothing is going to happen. Its not the same, Trump is actual legal trouble the other was just political posturing. Even his accounting firm dumped him. I feel like this is an understatement that needs correcting.
Trump didn't just get dumped by his accounting firm. The accounting firm retracted the last decade of financial reports made for Trump and stated that they should not be relied upon by other parties. Which is them basically saying they are fake and that Trump lied and committed fraud while praying no one sues them for aiding in said fraud.
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On February 17 2022 00:13 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2022 00:01 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 23:55 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:29 Zambrah wrote:On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading. Fixed that for ya. I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it. Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing. Haha, thank you for the correction. Some would say it is not the two side trying to bring each other down, but the two sides posturing like they are trying to bring each other while trying to continue the status quo for everyone. Clinton and Trump have been accused by the other side of illegal activity and threatened with jail for over 5 years now, but hey just keep waiting for the next "investigation" to get completed and maybe something will change. Thrown in the Biden's alleged shady business dealings as well, nothing is going to happen. Its not the same, Trump is actual legal trouble the other was just political posturing. Even his accounting firm dumped him. As far as anything happening against either of them legally, the result is EXACTLY the same. I can't speak to the exact particulars, all I know is they're both powerful politicians in the USA so fuck all is going to happen to either. It sounds to me like you think Trump is the most corrupt guy around and you might be right. Still nothing has happened. The system of justice is designed by the right and powerful for the rich and powerful unfortunately. Nothing has happened because the rich and powerful have a lot of tools to delay and frustrate investigations. But progress keeps getting made and the legal obstructions Trump and his associates throw up keep getting defeated one by one.
I understand its frustrating that after 2 years there is nothing concrete to show for it but this hasn't gone away.
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Itd be great to stop hearing about it til there is something concrete, the constant back and forthing about Hillary! Trump! Hunter! is exhausting and feels increasingly pointless as there continues not to be any concrete consequences for anything anyone has done.
Just feels like a game of constant back and forth mudslinging in the meantime,
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On February 17 2022 00:36 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2022 00:01 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 23:55 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:29 Zambrah wrote:On February 16 2022 23:23 Nick_54 wrote:On February 16 2022 23:07 JimmiC wrote:On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change. The bonus of one getting locked up is than there is no more "gentleman's rules" against it. Like if Trump goes down the Reps are going to be looking for corrupt Dems and so on. Maybe Trump will drain the swamp by him being the plug that starts the prosecutions. Super wishful thinking but why not be optimistic for a change. Never ever going to happen, but if dreaming about it makes people feel better to each their own. Trump is more likely to be sitting in the oval office in 3 years than in a jail cell. Hell, congress (both parties) won't even get around to banning itself from insider stock trading. Fixed that for ya. I also agree, Im kind of tired of hearing about investigations that will ultimately lead to precisely fuck all. Its two sides trying to bring the other one down, and nothing material is going to come of it. Im firmly disinterested until someone actually gets arrested and it stops being useless posturing. Haha, thank you for the correction. Some would say it is not the two side trying to bring each other down, but the two sides posturing like they are trying to bring each other while trying to continue the status quo for everyone. Clinton and Trump have been accused by the other side of illegal activity and threatened with jail for over 5 years now, but hey just keep waiting for the next "investigation" to get completed and maybe something will change. Thrown in the Biden's alleged shady business dealings as well, nothing is going to happen. Its not the same, Trump is actual legal trouble the other was just political posturing. Even his accounting firm dumped him. I feel like this is an understatement that needs correcting. Trump didn't just get dumped by his accounting firm. The accounting firm retracted the last decade of financial reports made for Trump and stated that they should not be relied upon by other parties. Which is them basically saying they are fake and that Trump lied and committed fraud while praying no one sues them for aiding in said fraud.
Just an attempt to limit reputational risk if it turns out Trump lied to them. They were happy to take his money but don’t want their reputation on the line now someone is going through the details with a fine tooth comb. They’re not saying the financials are definitely wrong, they’re saying they won’t stake their reputation on them being right.
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On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change.
The French people also have a much better track record of putting their foot on the scale compared to Americans.
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When it comes to indispensable politicians (i.e. presidents and party nominees for president), you can basically predict with close to 100% accuracy what a person's opinion will be about allegations of criminality, just by looking at that person's political party. That is the unfortunate state of affairs. Stretches back to Bill Clinton's presidency (he had special counsels out the wazoo), and maybe even earlier with things like Iran Contra.
Honestly we should probably get rid of the whole special/independent counsel concept. Just keep those investigations that are justified within the normal DOJ channels.
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On February 17 2022 02:46 Doc.Rivers wrote:
When it comes to indispensable politicians (i.e. presidents and party nominees for president), you can basically predict with close to 100% accuracy what a person's opinion will be about allegations of criminality, just by looking at that person's political party. That is the unfortunate state of affairs. Stretches back to Bill Clinton's presidency (he had special counsels out the wazoo), and maybe even earlier with things like Iran Contra.
Honestly we should probably get rid of the whole special/independent counsel concept. Just keep those investigations that are justified within the normal DOJ channels.
Tell me you haven’t read the constitution without telling me you haven’t read the constitution.
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On February 17 2022 00:52 Zambrah wrote:
Itd be great to stop hearing about it til there is something concrete, the constant back and forthing about Hillary! Trump! Hunter! is exhausting and feels increasingly pointless as there continues not to be any concrete consequences for anything anyone has done.
Just feels like a game of constant back and forth mudslinging in the meantime,
I'm really hoping that the major policy outcome of the next few years is that we have investigations on Jan 6th, email servers, Hunter Biden, and so on, and that while a couple of lower-ranking grifters get a little bit of time that nothing meaningful on anyone important ever sticks. I'm glad that my representatives in Congress are working on just that.
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On February 17 2022 02:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2022 02:46 Doc.Rivers wrote:
When it comes to indispensable politicians (i.e. presidents and party nominees for president), you can basically predict with close to 100% accuracy what a person's opinion will be about allegations of criminality, just by looking at that person's political party. That is the unfortunate state of affairs. Stretches back to Bill Clinton's presidency (he had special counsels out the wazoo), and maybe even earlier with things like Iran Contra.
Honestly we should probably get rid of the whole special/independent counsel concept. Just keep those investigations that are justified within the normal DOJ channels. Tell me you haven’t read the constitution without telling me you haven’t read the constitution.
There is nothing in the constitution related to special/independent counsels or the special retention of attorneys by the DOJ. There are only norms/statutes/regulations that were put in place after Nixon's scandals.
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On February 16 2022 22:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2022 14:34 Nick_54 wrote:
For me all of these reports really change nothing. Trump isn't going to jail and Hillary isn't going to get "locked up." The elites in this country, especially politicians, never face consequences. I thought that about France, but they are locking up corrupt politicians right left and centre, something that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago. Balkany or Guéant actually going to jail woukd have been a fantasy in the early 2000. So those things really can change.
Any politician, no matter their power, would 100% be in prison here for something analogous to the Trump–Raffensperger call. Seeing Americans just cross their fingers he doesn't win an election again is ??? to me.
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