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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
If you're having problems with legislation take it to the public as the figurehead of your party and make it known who is fucking your legislation over, why they're doing it, and why we should be pissed off about it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 17 2022 15:57 Belisarius wrote: Look, a fair chunk of Biden's optics issues are from a nominally blue senate that refuses to pass anything but red legislation. That's not him twisting exactly the wrong way, that's baked in. I'm not happy with his performance but it's not like he'd be cruising if he'd just ignored student loans or whatever. He's dealing with arguably the most challenging environment for any president since the cold war. Playing Mr Bipartisanship was clearly not the right approach, but even if he had governed by EO from the beginning there would be a pile of challenges waiting to be stamped by the blood-red SC instead, and none of those EOs could have made the pandemic disappear, the global economy reassemble or the autocracies stop warmongering anyway. There's simply no way for him to achieve what people expect of him, and to make it worse the main obstructors pretend they're on his own team so he can't even externalise them. He's just screwed. In hindsight, "winning" the senate was about the worst thing that could have happened to the administration, and probably the country. I judge a president by their executive orders, not their senate. Biden’s executive orders on marijuana and student loans are enough for me to consider him not legitimately vested in solving issues that I consider both major and easily dealt with. He has not had marinuana rescheduled. He is really anxious for student loan payments to resume. Both of these issues should have been easy wins in his first week. Since his belief systems seem to not make those easy wins a priority, I do not approve of the job he’s done. He is a very bad representation of what I want. I also judge a president by their messaging and overall cultural leadership. How much have we heard Biden talk about banning lawmakers from trading stocks? He’s a complete failure as a cultural leader. Compare him to Trump in this regard and it’s laughable. I don’t like the culture Trump pushed, but he did an amazing job at defining national conversations. Biden is not screaming every day about lawmakers buying stock. That’s another gigantic failure. Senate has nothing to do with Biden being a failure | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 18 2022 02:17 Sermokala wrote: Except that crowd was filled with white supremists and nazis and the steering he did was always in an objectively negative direction for everyone, explicitly for the people he was speaking to. That biden isn't going out and running public rallies with throngs of people shoulder to shoulder in the middle of the plague is something that normal people should consider is a good thing. If you read my post and thought that I think Biden sucks because he doesn't go out and hold rallies in the middle of the pandemic instead of doing anything to advocate for policy he supports I'm not sure how to help you. On February 18 2022 02:27 Mohdoo wrote: I also judge a president by their messaging and overall cultural leadership. How much have we heard Biden talk about banning lawmakers from trading stocks? He’s a complete failure as a cultural leader. Compare him to Trump in this regard and it’s laughable. I don’t like the culture Trump pushed, but he did an amazing job at defining national conversations. Biden is not screaming every day about lawmakers buying stock. That’s another gigantic failure. Senate has nothing to do with Biden being a failure Exactly this. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On February 18 2022 03:05 Sermokala wrote: If you read my post and consider anything disagreeing with you as a personal attack I'm not sure how to talk to you. I'm reading an implication there that you think Biden not doing anything is good where I would disagree with that. There is certainly an element that holding rallies isn't good, but not communicating at all isn't better. Trump executing something poorly doesn't mean Biden shouldn't do something similar correctly. Being a boring policy wonk is only viable if your policy gets passed and helps people. Biden is all the bad of boring without any upside and his approval ratings reflect that. The high energy celebrity candidates from the Republicans keep getting elected for a reason. People want someone to rally behind. | ||
KwarK
United States44450 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 18 2022 04:28 KwarK wrote: Biden has done some good work on student loan forgiveness eligibility. Heard lots of anecdotal stories of people who weren’t previously eligible due to technicalities and spurious reasons who got forgiveness. While this is more positive than negative, the proper way to judge a person is always with respect to what they are able to do. When a billionaire donates 1 million dollars, they are not a good person because they also made a conscious decision to horde an enormous amount of other wealth. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18494 Posts
On February 18 2022 02:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Except the leftwing posters in this thread like GreenHorizons, Moodoo, and Zambrah live in states that have two democratic senators. Who are they voting for fix the senate exactly? There is an expectation that the president is the defacto leader of the party and should be able to whip votes to push his or her policy. Hate Trump for whatever reasons you have, but he could rile up a crowd and steer the national conversation. You won't see Biden doing that. Well, they could push for more senators like AOC and fewer like Dianne Feinstein. It's pretty embarrassing that a state as blue as California has a senator as disgracefully centrist (and OLD) as her. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
It’s shitty and awful and I vote for the progressive candidates in my local primaries but it’s very hard to fight so much money and infrastructure without being wealthy, and my local progressive candidates are never wealthy, the Republican types are though which is part of how we got Glenn Youngkin. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On February 18 2022 03:04 JimmiC wrote: First that is a lot easier to do with populism, but its awful for countries. As the the first point, you cant outside of moving. But if the system you exist in the options are Biden or Trump. If you are just venting about the shit I get it, its frustrating. If you are going to not vote or vote for trump its just a self own. There is also a lot of economic populism from the left. It is hard to argue that forgiving student loans for example is not populism. It might be populism that you agree with but that doesn't mean it isn't populism. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 18 2022 08:47 JimmiC wrote: Should people who can afford their student loans and recieved the education they paid for get their loam forgiven? Why not pay off car loans? Credit card loans? Or if you wanted to impact the poor the nost why not pay day loans? Increasing forgiveness criteria, depending on the eligibilty sounds like a smarter and fairer use of the money. Forgiveness is not my minimum standard for sufficient. My minimum standard for sufficient: 1) All loans set to 0% interest 2) All loans reset to their initial value 3) All previous payments applied to initial value. If someone paid more than their initial value, they get that money refunded. 4) All universities which increase tuition/fees more than inflation lose all federal funding The government already has mechanisms in place for wage garnishing for people who don't pay their loans, so interest is not necessary to force people to pay. Interest just makes students a profit center for the government, which is totally fucked and not ethical. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 18 2022 11:03 JimmiC wrote: Money is not "free" to the government either so a low rate is not profit, their is also an adminstration cost. The costs for US schools are out of line which is making the loans to big that is where the regulation issues are. Most countries have loans available for education and most financial planners consider those loans (and mortages) as few of the personal loans that make finacial sense as they for the most part increase future earnings. Judge ruled Trump and his eldest kids have to testify in tge on going fraud case, he will likely appeal. This shit takes so long. https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/trump-must-testify-in-new-york-investigation-judge-rules-1.5784866 Roads aren't free either. We pay for them with taxes because they are an enormous net benefit to society. Education is all the same. Something does not need to be free and financially advantageous for it to be a good form of government. We can spend money on good things and use taxation to do that. It is the fundamental goal of government and collectivism. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46713 Posts
On February 18 2022 10:55 Mohdoo wrote: Forgiveness is not my minimum standard for sufficient. My minimum standard for sufficient: 1) All loans set to 0% interest 2) All loans reset to their initial value 3) All previous payments applied to initial value. If someone paid more than their initial value, they get that money refunded. 4) All universities which increase tuition/fees more than inflation lose all federal funding The government already has mechanisms in place for wage garnishing for people who don't pay their loans, so interest is not necessary to force people to pay. Interest just makes students a profit center for the government, which is totally fucked and not ethical. If loans have 0% interest, then won't paying back the loan mean you're paying back comparatively less money, since $1000 this year is worth more than $1000 a decade from now? Or do you mean 0% additional interest after adjusting for inflation? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On February 19 2022 01:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You can do true 0% interest. Yes it means the government technically loses some money on it because of inflation, so what? Educated citizens are an investment into the future.If loans have 0% interest, then won't paying back the loan mean you're paying back comparatively less money, since $1000 this year is worth more than $1000 a decade from now? Or do you mean 0% additional interest after adjusting for inflation? And the fear that people won't pay now to pay 'less' in the future. Does the US government not have debt collection? How is 'what if they decide not to repay' a thing that always comes up in these discussions Oo | ||
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