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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Monday said that he has been informed that Russia will attack on Wednesday.

On February 15 2022 04:58 Doc.Rivers wrote:
At this point it really does look like the invasion is going to happen. The things that are happening are beyond all precedent.



https://thehill.com/policy/international/594151-zelensky-says-ukraine-has-been-informed-feb-16-will-be-day-of-attack

https://twitter.com/geopol_monitor/status/1493304056508739584

he said, according to a Facebook translation of his comments.

On February 15 2022 05:52 Sadist wrote:
So much confusion and miscommunication/over communication.

Social media and the state of our media make this a nightmare to try to follow. It also adds to so much stress. Im honestly contemplating going dark from the internet/news for a month.

I can only imagine how the Ukrainian people feel right now.

On February 15 2022 05:52 Sadist wrote:
So much confusion and miscommunication/over communication.

Social media and the state of our media make this a nightmare to try to follow. It also adds to so much stress. Im honestly contemplating going dark from the internet/news for a month.

I can only imagine how the Ukrainian people feel right now.

On February 15 2022 06:41 Dav1oN wrote:


No general answer could be given, I can only put my 50 cents. As I already said previously, it feels like people are sharing their stress/anxiety through social media mostly, and it's very contagious if you are spending even a couple of hours in related pages. The situation outside is very different, people are doing their job mostly. So overall we are concerned, prepared mostly, but w/o any signs of panic, and the people mostly think that Russia does not have enough balls to do something like that

In regards to the latest post by Zelensky, initially it was interpreted incorrectly by some of the media in a weird attempt to get more clicks. His point was that the date of the invasion was received from social media sources, not from the official ones.

I advise not to overthink, take a break from the internet, or at least from social media, let's not overheat

On February 15 2022 10:49 gobbledydook wrote:
Apparently Special Counsel John Durham has indicted several lawyers who were on the payroll of the Hillary campaign and were paid to hack into Trump's servers in an attempt to find links to Russia.
It's interesting that this has not received much coverage on 'mainstream' news networks and has made the headlines on right wing networks like Fox.
What's everyone's take on this?

On February 15 2022 10:56 Mohdoo wrote:

If the way this is being framed ends up being true, straight to prison for all of them. The situation is a bit complicated if it turns out they felt like they were countering Russian intelligence. The list of things Manafort and the weird guy with the Nixon tattoo are confirmed to have done gives a great deal of reason to be concerned about Russian meddling. But the devil is kind of in the details.

As an example, if I thought a cop raped a girl and left evidence in his desk in a police office, I would consider it entirely ethical to break in to get that evidence and prove he’s a rapist. If someone broke into a police office and stole files for basically any other reason, that’s really bad.

So if it turns out a bunch of emails or texts or something show these people not only believed they were doing good, but also had hard evidence showing they were, the situation gets complicated.

If Clinton and her folks used Russia as a guise for just doing opposition research hacking, throw them all in prison.

On February 15 2022 11:36 Doc.Rivers wrote:


As far as I can tell, although the Clinton camp engaged in some very bad acts, Fox got the story wrong because the Clinton camp did not engage in any "hacking." Instead, they promised a top job in a potential Clinton administration to the CEO of a government contractor responsible for maintaining certain sensitive government servers, including servers used by the White House. That CEO then led a gang that propagated false collusion theories into the US govt (CIA & FBI). This gang of "serious computer science experts" alleged that there was illicit contact between a trump tower server and an Alfa Bank (Russian bank) server, and also that (during trumps actual presidency) there was illicit contact between white house servers and Russian entities. In reality, the gang was misrepresenting the data in their possession so as to push frivolous collusion theories into the FBI & CIA.

Mind you, the above-described operation by the Clinton camp is completely separate from their Steele dossier operation, which was also designed to propagate frivolous collusion theories into the US government. Steele's primary source is now under indictment by Durham, essentially because he fabricated his allegations.

So basically, the picture Durham is laying out is that the Clinton camp fabricated the Russian collusion theory.

On February 15 2022 04:36 Doc.Rivers wrote:


An argument is not whataboutism if it's relevant to the subject under discussion.

On February 15 2022 11:41 KwarK wrote:

Did you miss Trump saying on video that if Russia had the Hillary emails they should send him them or that his campaign manager was meeting Russian agents and discussing the campaign? It wasn’t fabricated, Trump actively solicited Russian intervention and Russia did intervene.

On February 15 2022 11:41 KwarK wrote:

Did you miss Trump saying on video that if Russia had the Hillary emails they should send him them or that his campaign manager was meeting Russian agents and discussing the campaign? It wasn’t fabricated, Trump actively solicited Russian intervention and Russia did intervene.

On February 15 2022 14:13 gobbledydook wrote:


The question of whether the Clinton camp, which may or may not include Hillary Clinton's direct involvement, conducted illegal acts in an attempt to find damaging information about Trump, and whether Trump actually colluded with Russia to get elected, are two separate questions. It is possible that both are true at the same time.

On February 15 2022 10:49 gobbledydook wrote:
Apparently Special Counsel John Durham has indicted several lawyers who were on the payroll of the Hillary campaign and were paid to hack into Trump's servers in an attempt to find links to Russia.
It's interesting that this has not received much coverage on 'mainstream' news networks and has made the headlines on right wing networks like Fox.
What's everyone's take on this?

On February 15 2022 15:01 KwarK wrote:

Sure, I get that, but it's still important to remind people that Trump did attempt to collude and Russia did actually intervene because people always seem to imply that it was otherwise.

On February 15 2022 19:18 Gorsameth wrote:
The fact that Fox runs with it but no one else makes it really obvious that whatever headline Fox is running with is most likely bullshit and a very distorted reading of what is actually happening.

Spending 5 minutes looking only leads to confirming that. No one 'hacked' anything. While investigating Trump a company looked at some DNS data from Trump tower, which companies share freely.

Nor does the indictment actually claim anything about hacking. Its a "Motion to inquire about potential conflicts of interest" because someone worked with someone else that worked with the DNC and Hillary campaign when they talked about the initial rumour that Trump tower might be communicating with a Russian server back in 2016. Note the 'potential' in there, so they can't even prove that at this time.

Simply put, as your name says, this is complete gobbledygook and Fox is just screeching to get anything to draw attention away from Trumps continuing legal troubles by once again going for the old reliable "But Hillary...".