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On February 13 2022 21:03 SC-Shield wrote:By the way, I just want to share anti-corruption investigations by Navalny and his team: https://www.youtube.com/c/АлексейНавальныйOnce you watch these videos (they have EN subtitles), you'll likely realize how incredibly corrupt senior Russian politicians are. Relation to the Ukraine crisis is, you can't trust a word they say like "it's western hysteria", "we won't invade", etc. I probably don't need to persuade any of people here since it's western community, but if there is media you should be skeptical of, that's Russian state media for sure.
It's hard to find a word in order to describe the size of corruption properly :D The series of videos published in Navalny channel will surprise most of the posters in this topic for sure, it's hard to imagine being so greedy as all those (ex: one of them is using enormous amount of money to send his dogs via private jet all the time) peacocks while an average citizens getting pushed to the side.
Living almost next to the border - is a special flavor. People locally seems like partially stressed, partially tired of being stressed, the other part does not think it will happen, overall no panic (got a feeling that most of panic views are coming from the social media). Most of the locals don't believe in invasion for a few reasons, but if it happen - the level of resistance will be high. Frankly - tanks and soldiers are not something we should be afraid of when you have airforce/artillery to deal with. The local weather is above 0C during the day, everything is muddy and they won't be able to relocate ground forces quickly during the next month due to weather conditions even if they want to. Why would they build up for a number of weeks letting us to prepare even more? This is a dumb strategy, just like going 6 pool w/o allin. And the answer it seems like very usual as - flexing to gain economic benefits.
Secondly, russian opposition media reports that russian army generals are really stressed and opposed, they don't wanna go down this road.
What surprises me the most - is a weird reaction by German officials. Merkel left and took all the balls with herself? :D
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I really, really wish this was just western hysteria. Because the alternative is that much scarier.
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On February 14 2022 02:07 Silvanel wrote:
I really, really wish this was just western hysteria. Because the alternative is that much scarier.
Yea, I hope the same
Speaking of hysteria, the level of it is much much higher in the social media in comparison to what's happening outside, at least by now from my pov
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Russiagate had the curious effect of driving dems to be Russia hawks and driving Republicans away from that. Now it is dems and their newfound neocon allies (such as Bill Kristol and David Frum) beating the drums of war. Meanwhile the most watched republican voice (Tucker) is doing the opposite.
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On February 14 2022 02:37 Doc.Rivers wrote:Russiagate had the curious effect of driving dems to be Russia hawks and driving Republicans away from that. Now it is dems and their newfound neocon allies (such as Bill Kristol and David Frum) beating the drums of war. Meanwhile the most watched republican voice (Tucker) is doing the opposite. That's what happens when your principles are not based on morality or logic but on what is best for you personally and about 'beating' the other side.
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On February 14 2022 02:52 JimmiC wrote:
It boggles my mind that the most watched Republican voice has to be legally determined to be satire because of how often and the impact of his consistent lying. You would think there would be way more embarrassment around that. But who needs fact when you can be ignorant and feel good about "pwn"ing libs.
The same legal determination was actually made about the most watched dem voice (maddow).
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Wait, I thought it was agreed upon that regarding political parties as monoliths is a bad idea, especially in a structurally strict two-party system? And now all Democrats are more or less Rachel Maddows and all Republicans are more or less Tucker Carlsons? How exactly are either of those people being assigned so much influence?
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Well I cited Tucker as evidence that Russiagate caused broad changes in the parties. I would not go so far as to say everyone is a Rachel Maddow or Tucker Carlson.
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On February 14 2022 02:58 farvacola wrote:
Wait, I thought it was agreed upon that regarding political parties as monoliths is a bad idea, especially in a structurally strict two-party system? And now all Democrats are more or less Rachel Maddows and all Republicans are more or less Tucker Carlsons? How exactly are either of those people being assigned so much influence?
It's usually the loudest talking heads that get ascribed that honor. Since O'reilly is gone, they need someone to rally behind.
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0 chance that open feuding happens while McConnell lives. The Republicans have shown they are very invested in the appearance of unity and they aren't going to give that up while their most powerful leader (McConnell) draws breath on this cursed plane of existence.
They know they need the psychotic Q-anon base, they may hate them in private but their truest principle is a love of power and open feuding jeopardizes their power.
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On February 14 2022 02:55 Doc.Rivers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2022 02:52 JimmiC wrote:
It boggles my mind that the most watched Republican voice has to be legally determined to be satire because of how often and the impact of his consistent lying. You would think there would be way more embarrassment around that. But who needs fact when you can be ignorant and feel good about "pwn"ing libs. The same legal determination was actually made about the most watched dem voice (maddow).
Which is misleading because Fox has more viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined when you want to compare left and right wing viewers.
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On February 14 2022 03:53 JimmiC wrote:I wonder if we are going to get to open Republican feuding between the QAnon/Trumpian "goof balls" and the more traditional Republicans. It seems like more of the old gaurd like McConnell are becoming super frustrated with just the idiocy of the others and are now actively working to reclaim the party. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-working-behind-scenes-170716288.html Without the Qanon/Trump base the Republicans can't win elections. They can be frustrated, and I think McConnell will have been frustrated since the Tea Party took over, but a public fight is suicide.
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On February 14 2022 04:02 Gorsameth wrote:Without the Qanon/Trump base the Republicans can't win elections. They can be frustrated, and I think McConnell will have been frustrated since the Tea Party took over, but a public fight is suicide.
This is more or less what the party has cultivated over the past 3+ decades. It is on purpose, and while it does bite them in the ass slightly, the crazy base who is absolutely okay with living in a fantasy world conjured by satirists needs them as much as Republicans need intellectually dishonest imbeciles like Tucker. Their voices won't be heard otherwise.
It is funny to see those bad faith actors spouting whataboutery on this topic though. As if both sides are bought into satire realities in equal measure, as if it makes a difference when pointing out the many decades of Republican reactionary policy. Priceless dishonesty, built to serve no purpose, as usual.
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On February 14 2022 03:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2022 02:55 Doc.Rivers wrote:On February 14 2022 02:52 JimmiC wrote:
It boggles my mind that the most watched Republican voice has to be legally determined to be satire because of how often and the impact of his consistent lying. You would think there would be way more embarrassment around that. But who needs fact when you can be ignorant and feel good about "pwn"ing libs. The same legal determination was actually made about the most watched dem voice (maddow). Which is misleading because Fox has more viewers than MSNBC and CNN combined when you want to compare left and right wing viewers.
The viewership numbers kind of depend on which party currently holds the white house. Back when Trump was in office, the MSNBC and CNN numbers were through the roof, and we got the ratings-driven satire realities of Russiagate, Russian bounties, Trump has dementia, Steve Bannon is a nazi, etc.
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Do some really still think that a head of state would mention he'd have to use his nuclear arsenal in his speech if he planned on invading a country followed by guaranteed retaliation?
A war that his country couldn't win through conventional warfare?
If you think that, you might as well think that they can skip A-invasion and proceed straight to B and tout that instead.
On February 13 2022 22:20 Sermokala wrote:
Christ the euros really are just going to let the Russians walk over them and let putin rebuild the Soviet union.
Spoken like a true hooligan.
I'd honestly not care who walked over me if it meant that life on earth kept existing. But common sense tends to shrink proportionately to the power of governments. Then again I've been able to live a peaceful life in a pleasant country so that turned out to be my thinking.
If I was trapped in a burning house facing a neighbour whose house is fine with nothing but a molotov cocktail in my hand, I might start to get ideas.
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On February 14 2022 01:44 Sadist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +People need to remember hitler and ww2 did not involve nuclear weapons.
If you told me there was 0 chance of nuclear or biological weapons being used id be all for heavy intervention.
The fact is Russia is a nuclear power and that needs to be considered when response and escalation is considered.
We should tell them Ukraine wont join NATO and mean it. If they refuse to fuck off we have lost nothing and are at the same situation we have today. If they do fuckoff we avoided a horrific war with untold costs for all sides.
It honestly feels like a dick measuring contest with nuclear weapons involved.
Agreed, hopefully that will be enough. And the eastern extension of the NATO was never agreed upon during the fall of the soviet union. Eastern Germany was allowed to join, that was it. So we kicked and insulted them a bit, when the Russians were down, now they're coming back at us when we are weakened and divided.
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On February 14 2022 04:56 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2022 01:44 Sadist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +People need to remember hitler and ww2 did not involve nuclear weapons.
If you told me there was 0 chance of nuclear or biological weapons being used id be all for heavy intervention.
The fact is Russia is a nuclear power and that needs to be considered when response and escalation is considered.
We should tell them Ukraine wont join NATO and mean it. If they refuse to fuck off we have lost nothing and are at the same situation we have today. If they do fuckoff we avoided a horrific war with untold costs for all sides.
It honestly feels like a dick measuring contest with nuclear weapons involved.
Agreed, hopefully that will be enough. And the eastern extension of the NATO was never agreed upon during the fall of the soviet union. Eastern Germany was allowed to join, that was it. So we kicked and insulted them a bit, when the Russians were down, now they're coming back at us when we are weakened and divided. I love how its NATO's fault that former USSR nations want protection from an antagonistic Russia.
Not to mention that NATO isn't even a threat to Russia, its a defensive alliance. The only reason Russia should be worried about NATO 'encroachment' is if they (Russia) want to get aggressive in the region.
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