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On December 17 2021 18:19 Elroi wrote:
There is a Danish economist who has made a point of noting and debunking strong claims about how the climate will change in the future that I always think about when I see stuff like that. ABC, BBC, The Guardian, and many more respectable news outlets have all claimed stuff like "Manhattan will be under water by 2013" or "The northern ice cap will be gone by 2015". The timelines are always set in stone and always pure fiction. Heck, a UN report from 1989 claimed we only had 10 years to win or lose the fight against climate change, or it would be "out of our control".
I suspect journalists and scientists aren't being called out because they are percieved as being good and nice and fight for the good cause. But in the long run this obviously hurts the attempts to convince people who doubt the serious problems of climate change. It's a mechanism that is so pervasive, especially in todays academia imo. It is summed up pretty well in this joke:
"Suppose you went back to Stalinist Russia and you said “You know, people just don’t respect Comrade Stalin enough. There isn’t enough Stalinism in this country! I say we need two Stalins! No, fifty Stalins!” Congratulations. You have found a way to criticize the government in Stalinist Russia and totally get away with it. Who knows, you might even get that cushy professorship."
your point being?
throwing a whole profession under the bus because some tend to clickbait? sounds super scientific.
also, there is a guardian article from 2013 that can be found using your about manhanttan.
it doesnt talk about NY being underwater by any specific date.
if you'd provide some links so we can see for ourselves what these "good and nice" people write first hand, that would be fantastic.
your post just smells like climate denialism spiced with a bit of conspiracy theory.
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Read the post again. If you don't understand it, I can't explain it to you. Hint: it's not climate denialism.
Sure, I can provide a link. Here are, for example, some scientists on BBC in late 2007 predicting that North Polar ice cap would be gone by 2013. In fact, they even saw that as a conservative estimate:
"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC. "So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stm
The guy I was talking about who keeps track of those predictions is a Danish political scientist (not economist as I said before), Bjørn Lomborg.
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On December 18 2021 07:04 Elroi wrote:Read the post again. If you don't understand it, I can't explain it to you. Hint: it's not climate denialism. Sure, I can provide a link. Here are, for example, some scientists on BBC in late 2007 predicting that North Polar ice cap would be gone by 2013. In fact, they even saw that as a conservative estimate: Show nested quote +"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC. "So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7139797.stmThe guy I was talking about who keeps track of those predictions is a Danish political scientist (not economist as I said before), Bjørn Lomborg.
Sounds like their modelling was far off base. It happens.
Climate change science has evolved significantly since then and we have a much better idea of what will happen if we don't keep temperature rises below 2C, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Perhaps you would like to clarify?
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@Elroi Climate change models are very good at this point and have been for decades. What you don’t want to do is pick specific deadlines for arbitrary disasters. It’s fair to point out when those are wrong. But those aren’t what define the actual science is about.
I’m also not a fan of slathering on “this Tornado/Hurricane/Drought was caused by man made climate change.” We can sort of attribute messier climate patterns, but in general just avoid the clickbait titles.
The good news for us is that there won’t be a runaway climate that will turn Earth into Venus. The bad news is for the a few generations down the line that will face mass migration and smaller resource wars.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1471990054415446024?s=20
Musk vs Warren is not on my 2021 Bingo card. Going to have to go with someone who open sourced Tesla's technology and halved the price of getting to orbit...
Warren is a grifter who, all things considered would have been a solid candidate had Clinton not been a thing. Elon doesn't pay taxes on his salary yes. Because he has no salary. But he does pays 50-60% on his stocks when taking them out. He pays his taxes Lizbeth. Go after your girl Pelosi and her "Stock market trading as a congress member is totes fine".
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You don't see any problem with him being able to choose whether or not he pays taxes? He doesn't need salary because he can just take out loans to use as non-taxable cash.
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Tesla is a revolting company. I interviewed there and canceled the whole ordeal because once I got a feel for the culture I wanted to vomit.
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I don't know if the guy who got his money from apartheid and government subsidies should really be idolized for insulting women and fighting against the taxes he got his money from.
He's well known for being a very abusive and exploitation boss that makes poor quality cars.
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Northern Ireland24981 Posts
Elon Musk may well be THE most irritating person on the planet.
At least B-Sauce is just a standard prick billionaire with what that entails. With Musk you add in the whole saviour of humankind, puerile Twitter spats and an almost cult-like fan base.
It one didn’t know better, browsing Twitter or whatever you’d get the impression that he’d built his empire from scratch and personally designed these rockets etc.
That said, I’m not super fussed on the tax element as billionaires being able to exist in the first place, feels it’s the real bare minimum constraint there should be and it isn’t even there.
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I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays.
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On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays.
But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own.
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On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own. The government has also thrown billions at other space industries and they have a lot less to show for it so credit where credit is due.
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On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own.
Those are just empty talking points that don’t hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. Yes SpaceX got funding during some crucial moments. They earned those awards over competitors.
And as of right now, SpaceX has saved NASA literal billions of dollars for their cheaper, better launch capabilities. And continues to. A few weeks ago they launched IXPE and Dart missions for bargain prices, and in the case of IXPE the fairing size on Falcon9 allowed the X-ray telescope to be loaded with the solar panels already out, compared to the Pegasus which would have forced the satellite to unfold in space which is always terrifying.
SpaceX didn’t just get free fucking money, they had to fight all of the entrenched political power that the other companies had over NASA. ULA had a monopoly on military launches. All of the big boys on the block wanted to squeeze out SpaceX from the beginning. The same can be said of Tesla vs the auto industry.
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On December 19 2021 03:19 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own. Those are just empty talking points that don’t hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. Yes SpaceX got funding during some crucial moments. They earned those awards over competitors. And as of right now, SpaceX has saved NASA literal billions of dollars for their cheaper, better launch capabilities. And continues to. A few weeks ago they launched IXPE and Dart missions for bargain prices, and in the case of IXPE the fairing size on Falcon9 allowed the X-ray telescope to be loaded with the solar panels already out, compared to the Pegasus which would have forced the satellite to unfold in space which is always terrifying. SpaceX didn’t just get free fucking money, they had to fight all of the entrenched political power that the other companies had over NASA. ULA had a monopoly on military launches. All of the big boys on the block wanted to squeeze out SpaceX from the beginning. The same can be said of Tesla vs the auto industry.
Spacex didn't win anything until a decade of subsidies and tax breaks while exploiting it's workers to this day. That they are paying back that investment is nothing more than what should be expected. Ula had a monopoly on launches because the government spent decades pursuing a different reusable strategy that failed. If the investments had gone into the ula at the same pace and lack of oversight there is nothing to say they wouldn't have reached the same end.
Tesla operates as a wonderland making terribly reliable and wildly expensive to maintain built by non union workers in a horribly inefficient and dangerous environment. They are also so wildly subsidized by the government who have thrown money at them and yet are worth more to the market than every other car maker in the world. Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate.
All led by people who have the dignity and self respect not to be a massive dick to the people who gave him the money and opportunity to do what he does from his apartheid inheritance.
And don't even start on the way he treats his wives and children.
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Upon further inspection, you will find that just about all the Musk business ventures in question here are a convoluted way of selling a dollar for 80 cents for the part of the business that is somewhat viable but not particularly revolutionary, subsidized by the government and financial markets, all the while promising "the future" in a way that's not at all viable but generates enough hype to draw a lot of attention and spawn weird fanboys. Experienced engineers can point to the flaws in these plans, but that takes a lot more effort than it does to generate new lies to make it seem obsolete so those responses always lag behind. Though it does seem like over the years the number of people willing to fanboy for the guy have taken a nosedive, both because he's clearly a detestable individual and because years of "the future" not panning out wears on people. I guess he got wealthier off the existence of a Fed-driven bubble in the stock market, so yay?
Musk's companies have seen successful lawsuits for racism, accusations of sexual harassment, and muck more. He seems like a pretty pathetic person on Twitter, and the more you dig into these personal factors the more you start to wonder why there are so many people who are willing to sing his praises all over the internet. Seems like the whole fiasco around him calling a cave diver a pedophile for no good reason was the start of the downward trend in his reputation.
Although I still can't fathom why we have a person here willing to defend the whole "buy borrow die" scheme of tax evasion that he and other billionaires are so fond of. It has nothing to do with "the future" given that it's personal money used mostly for private jets and mansions, it clearly is just a loophole for not paying taxes, and it glorifies the shittiest Twitter-spat part of Musk's personality. Takes some real cognitive dissonance to take that particular position, especially if you aren't also willing to offer analogous Twitter-tirading tax-evading individuals like Trump the same level of reverence for analogous behavior.
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On December 19 2021 03:53 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 03:19 Husyelt wrote:On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own. Those are just empty talking points that don’t hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. Yes SpaceX got funding during some crucial moments. They earned those awards over competitors. And as of right now, SpaceX has saved NASA literal billions of dollars for their cheaper, better launch capabilities. And continues to. A few weeks ago they launched IXPE and Dart missions for bargain prices, and in the case of IXPE the fairing size on Falcon9 allowed the X-ray telescope to be loaded with the solar panels already out, compared to the Pegasus which would have forced the satellite to unfold in space which is always terrifying. SpaceX didn’t just get free fucking money, they had to fight all of the entrenched political power that the other companies had over NASA. ULA had a monopoly on military launches. All of the big boys on the block wanted to squeeze out SpaceX from the beginning. The same can be said of Tesla vs the auto industry. Spacex didn't win anything until a decade of subsidies and tax breaks while exploiting it's workers to this day. That they are paying back that investment is nothing more than what should be expected. Ula had a monopoly on launches because the government spent decades pursuing a different reusable strategy that failed. If the investments had gone into the ula at the same pace and lack of oversight there is nothing to say they wouldn't have reached the same end. Tesla operates as a wonderland making terribly reliable and wildly expensive to maintain built by non union workers in a horribly inefficient and dangerous environment. They are also so wildly subsidized by the government who have thrown money at them and yet are worth more to the market than every other car maker in the world. Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate. All led by people who have the dignity and self respect not to be a massive dick to the people who gave him the money and opportunity to do what he does from his apartheid inheritance. And don't even start on the way he treats his wives and children.
If you want to a good comparison between two companies receiving the same awards from NASA, look further than Crew Dragon vs Boeing's Starliner.
4.2 billion for Starliner
2.6 billion for Dragon
You're welcome to google around and see which is actively flying back and forth from the ISS... It's gotten so bad that Dragon is taking Starliners unused spots. While Boeing is trying to figure out one of their 70 flight issues, SpaceX launched Dragon into space for charity with Inspiration4.
while exploiting it's workers to this day.
Ah yes, those poor voluntary rocket engineers, can't think for themselves, maybe you can show them their folly!
Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate.
American stagnation in the car industry has been well documented. But you probably didn't want electric vehicles on the road as soon as possible, unless they were union made only, while we wait until the rest of the world lept over us in technology?
Also, Tesla open sourced their technology / patents so everyone could catch up, seems like that's pretty fucking great no?
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On December 19 2021 06:29 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 03:19 Husyelt wrote:On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own. Those are just empty talking points that don’t hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. Yes SpaceX got funding during some crucial moments. They earned those awards over competitors. And as of right now, SpaceX has saved NASA literal billions of dollars for their cheaper, better launch capabilities. And continues to. A few weeks ago they launched IXPE and Dart missions for bargain prices, and in the case of IXPE the fairing size on Falcon9 allowed the X-ray telescope to be loaded with the solar panels already out, compared to the Pegasus which would have forced the satellite to unfold in space which is always terrifying. SpaceX didn’t just get free fucking money, they had to fight all of the entrenched political power that the other companies had over NASA. ULA had a monopoly on military launches. All of the big boys on the block wanted to squeeze out SpaceX from the beginning. The same can be said of Tesla vs the auto industry. Spacex didn't win anything until a decade of subsidies and tax breaks while exploiting it's workers to this day. That they are paying back that investment is nothing more than what should be expected. Ula had a monopoly on launches because the government spent decades pursuing a different reusable strategy that failed. If the investments had gone into the ula at the same pace and lack of oversight there is nothing to say they wouldn't have reached the same end. Tesla operates as a wonderland making terribly reliable and wildly expensive to maintain built by non union workers in a horribly inefficient and dangerous environment. They are also so wildly subsidized by the government who have thrown money at them and yet are worth more to the market than every other car maker in the world. Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate. All led by people who have the dignity and self respect not to be a massive dick to the people who gave him the money and opportunity to do what he does from his apartheid inheritance. And don't even start on the way he treats his wives and children. If you want to a good comparison between two companies receiving the same awards from NASA, look further than Crew Dragon vs Boeing's Starliner. 4.2 billion for Starliner 2.6 billion for Dragon You're welcome to google around and see which is actively flying back and forth from the ISS... It's gotten so bad that Dragon is taking Starliners unused spots. While Boeing is trying to figure out one of their 70 flight issues, SpaceX launched Dragon into space for charity with Inspiration4. Ah yes, those poor voluntary rocket engineers, can't think for themselves, maybe you can show them their folly! Show nested quote +Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate. American stagnation in the car industry has been well documented. But you probably didn't want electric vehicles on the road as soon as possible, unless they were union made only, while we wait until the rest of the world lept over us in technology? Also, Tesla open sourced their technology / patents so everyone could catch up, seems like that's pretty fucking great no?
Its great you're willing to go so face off on your ignorance. LL was happy to supply all the ways they were exploited but why read when you can just fanboy. Why think of spacex as more than rocket engineers when you can just namedrop a highly paid position that are forced to work such overtime that their actual pay grinds down to minimum wage? Why think I was talking about the worlds car makers when you think only American car companies have unions in them? Why know anything about Chinese or Japanese or European electric cars that are going to come out when you just love musk so much? Why think the ULA and Spacex are on equal terms when one is being bankrolled by a guy grifting so much money off the stock market and is willing to ignore any environmental and safety practice he can?
Like seriously imagine thinking warren is the grifter when you have a guy pissing and moaning about making billions of dollars off a company that has absolutely no reason to be worth a hundredth of its value. A company he didn't start or even name that he still needed government loans to start despite his paypall payout. A guy who publically shits on politicians for the stimulus program that then goes and takes money from the stimulus programs.
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Northern Ireland24981 Posts
My issue with Musk is that, he has a certain skillset.
But that somehow transmutes into ‘Elon Musk is doing x’ and just fucking sidesteps all the people who make these things happen.
There’s this mythos about him that is patently ridiculous Everything he does and says publicly is incoherent nonsense.
He’s saving the Earth with green tech, except we have to colonise space for some reason. Also we have to have bigger families except he couldn’t be arsed parenting until his kids are out of infancy. Also let’s lead runs on crypto currencies while being concerned about the climate.
It’s disjointed, bollocks essentially.
If you trawl through his Twitter and just assumed it’s some random bloke/gal you’d think they weren’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
He is useful in exposing the idea that billionaires aren’t super geniuses better than you or I, at least to certain folks. At least most of them keep their mouthes shut to maintain that illusion
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2021 09:11 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2021 06:29 Husyelt wrote:On December 19 2021 03:53 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 03:19 Husyelt wrote:On December 19 2021 01:28 Sermokala wrote:On December 19 2021 01:19 Husyelt wrote:
I do find some of Musk detestable, but at least he’s putting his life’s work into actual products like electric cars, solar power and reusable rockets.
“Making life multiplanetary” won’t happen for a few hundred years, but it wasn’t even worth talking about before SpaceX. By 2030 we might have literal unmanned buildings landing on Mars beginning the ISRU process for future NASA astronauts stays. But this isn't his life's work the only way tesla and spacex exists is because of the billions and billions the government has thrown into those companies. Neither of them produce any sort of value to sustain their costs on their own. Those are just empty talking points that don’t hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. Yes SpaceX got funding during some crucial moments. They earned those awards over competitors. And as of right now, SpaceX has saved NASA literal billions of dollars for their cheaper, better launch capabilities. And continues to. A few weeks ago they launched IXPE and Dart missions for bargain prices, and in the case of IXPE the fairing size on Falcon9 allowed the X-ray telescope to be loaded with the solar panels already out, compared to the Pegasus which would have forced the satellite to unfold in space which is always terrifying. SpaceX didn’t just get free fucking money, they had to fight all of the entrenched political power that the other companies had over NASA. ULA had a monopoly on military launches. All of the big boys on the block wanted to squeeze out SpaceX from the beginning. The same can be said of Tesla vs the auto industry. Spacex didn't win anything until a decade of subsidies and tax breaks while exploiting it's workers to this day. That they are paying back that investment is nothing more than what should be expected. Ula had a monopoly on launches because the government spent decades pursuing a different reusable strategy that failed. If the investments had gone into the ula at the same pace and lack of oversight there is nothing to say they wouldn't have reached the same end. Tesla operates as a wonderland making terribly reliable and wildly expensive to maintain built by non union workers in a horribly inefficient and dangerous environment. They are also so wildly subsidized by the government who have thrown money at them and yet are worth more to the market than every other car maker in the world. Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate. All led by people who have the dignity and self respect not to be a massive dick to the people who gave him the money and opportunity to do what he does from his apartheid inheritance. And don't even start on the way he treats his wives and children. If you want to a good comparison between two companies receiving the same awards from NASA, look further than Crew Dragon vs Boeing's Starliner. 4.2 billion for Starliner 2.6 billion for Dragon You're welcome to google around and see which is actively flying back and forth from the ISS... It's gotten so bad that Dragon is taking Starliners unused spots. While Boeing is trying to figure out one of their 70 flight issues, SpaceX launched Dragon into space for charity with Inspiration4. while exploiting it's workers to this day. Ah yes, those poor voluntary rocket engineers, can't think for themselves, maybe you can show them their folly! Car makers that are union shops who produce a real amount of cars that regular people can buy and get repaired by small business for a reasonable rate. American stagnation in the car industry has been well documented. But you probably didn't want electric vehicles on the road as soon as possible, unless they were union made only, while we wait until the rest of the world lept over us in technology? Also, Tesla open sourced their technology / patents so everyone could catch up, seems like that's pretty fucking great no? Its great you're willing to go so face off on your ignorance. LL was happy to supply all the ways they were exploited but why read when you can just fanboy. Why think of spacex as more than rocket engineers when you can just namedrop a highly paid position that are forced to work such overtime that their actual pay grinds down to minimum wage? Why think I was talking about the worlds car makers when you think only American car companies have unions in them? Why know anything about Chinese or Japanese or European electric cars that are going to come out when you just love musk so much? Why think the ULA and Spacex are on equal terms when one is being bankrolled by a guy grifting so much money off the stock market and is willing to ignore any environmental and safety practice he can? Like seriously imagine thinking warren is the grifter when you have a guy pissing and moaning about making billions of dollars off a company that has absolutely no reason to be worth a hundredth of its value. A company he didn't start or even name that he still needed government loans to start despite his paypall payout. A guy who publically shits on politicians for the stimulus program that then goes and takes money from the stimulus programs.
highly paid position that are forced to work such overtime that their actual pay grinds down to minimum wage?
SpaceX engineer pay grinds down to minimum wage? citation please.
Its great you're willing to go so face off on your ignorance.
Says the person who has posted nothing but ignorance. Musk put all of his fortune, 200 million dollars into Tesla and SpaceX after Zip2 and Paypal. He went nearly bankrupt in 2008, and again in 2012. He has only recently become a billionaire, and worlds richest man.
Why think the ULA and Spacex are on equal terms when one is -
They weren't on equal terms, see above. ULA is Boeing and Lockheed joining forces to be a monopoly.
when you just love musk so much?
I don't, I think he is very fallible as a human, and in some cases as I said, detestable. I can however set aside the man personally, and recognize that he is a titan of industry. The same way I can about Zuckerberg, although in his case he wants your clicks and time spent on shit websites, rather than again, electric cars, reusable rockets, and solar power.
why read when you can just fanboy.
I'm the one hear posting actual dates and statistics and relevant information. This is what you have posted,
why read when you can just fanboy.
Why think of spacex as
Why think I was talking
Why know anything about Chinese
Why think the ULA and
EDIT: ill edit out the mean part. @Wombat, yes don't look at his twitter, hes a very dumb troll, who would be wise to not use it. legally and profile wise. Musk's biggest sin to me is when he oversells his ability and doesn't give credit to various people throughout the years. This might cost him some great employees/team members going forward.
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