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Neneu
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DarkPlasmaBall
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 "After less than 12 hours of deliberations, the jury returned its verdict against Chauvin, convicting on all three counts: second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter." https://news.yahoo.com/live-chauvin-trial-jury-deliberations-verdict-george-floyd-murder-134733208.html | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:14 Artisreal wrote: It's early and he stacked the odds pretty high against himself, but if a proper sentencing follows and takes all the appeal hurdles, can we call this the possible start of something historic? This is already historic in a number of ways. That would just solidify a new standard. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Only if taser lady gets hers as well. Otherwise it's "take this one win and be happy". If there aren't also some more legislation put forth throughout the nation in tackling policing, then the unrest won't subside. The legal precedent is extremely significant. That said, I have no faith in any legislation coming forth. Federally, Republicans will filibuster anything, and Minnesota is the only split legislature in the country, so you know Republicans ain't doing squat here. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:14 Artisreal wrote: It's early and he stacked the odds pretty high against himself, but if a proper sentencing follows and takes all the appeal hurdles, can we call this the possible start of something historic? Worth remembering it took massive protests to get the charges filed/upgraded in the first place. So before people celebrate people should remember the police saw all the bodycams and city cams and didn't file charges until the bystander video went viral | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:15 Stratos_speAr wrote: This is already historic in a number of ways. That would just solidify a new standard. yeah. all counts... that is incredible. given the history such cases took the last 10years alone. constant readers and thread participants know. and the blue wall fell. police expert witnesses testified basically AGAINST their colleague. constant dripping wears the stone. or in this case the blue wall. historic indeed, but let's not forget it took a fucking life... again. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On April 21 2021 06:18 Stratos_speAr wrote: The legal precedent is extremely significant. That said, I have no faith in any legislation coming forth. Federally, Republicans will filibuster anything, and Minnesota is the only split legislature in the country, so you know Republicans ain't doing squat here. Agreed, sadly. I can't see enough votes to push for more reforms coming from the Rs and I don't think the Ds have the political will to tackle this as often and hard as is necessary. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
Interesting. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote: Worth remembering it took massive protests to get the charges filed/upgraded in the first place. So before people celebrate people should remember the police saw all the bodycams and city cams and didn't file charges until the bystander video went viral Yeah, I mean obviously this is one case of the system doing kinda sorta what it’s own rules say it should, and it’s quite possible this is more a “punish the one guy to shut everyone up” situation than a “start of a new era” situation. But like, this feels really big, right? I mean, I was already kinda preparing myself to think the acquittal didn’t *really* matter because this is just one case and no outcome here would meaningfully address the systemic problems. But hearing the news is hitting me a lot harder than I expected it to. Maybe I’m just letting myself get tricked into believing this really changes things? I don’t know what to think. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
I also wouldn't read to much into 'the blue wall falling' when its this blatant. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12026 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:30 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, I mean obviously this is one case of the system doing kinda sorta what it’s own rules say it should, and it’s quite possible this is more a “punish the one guy to shut everyone up” situation than a “start of a new era” situation. But like, this feels really big, right? I mean, I was already kinda preparing myself to think the acquittal didn’t *really* matter because this is just one case and no outcome here would meaningfully address the systemic problems. But hearing the news is hitting me a lot harder than I expected it to. Maybe I’m just letting myself get tricked into believing this really changes things? I don’t know what to think. Setting a precedent makes a big difference. It doesn't fix the system and it also doesn't address how other states will act (looking at you, Kentucky), but the precedent clearly exists now and can be applied, at least in Minnesota/the Midwest. I don't think getting a conviction on the most blatant open cold blooded murder in recent history is some sort of landmark victory. I also wouldn't read to much into 'the blue wall falling' when its this blatant. Plenty of blatant atrocities perpetrated by the police have gone unpunished throughout the years (e.g. Rodney King, Buffalo SWAT). This is incredibly significant, as is the number of police (including the police chief himself) that turned on Chauvin. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:20 GreenHorizons wrote: Worth remembering it took massive protests to get the charges filed/upgraded in the first place. So before people celebrate people should remember the police saw all the bodycams and city cams and didn't file charges until the bystander video went viral I did phrase it sorta carefully on purpose, "start of something". The massive improvement in this case might be thwarted by taser cop going Scot free. Or the blue wall being sealed back up real tight instead of crumbling. The question was kinda redundant, I admit, as with all the ruckus it seemed to have reached a high point where something in the direction of progress had to happen. Celebrating this conviction is fine and good and deserved, but I agree with your call for caution as we have yet to see whether this single incident turns out to be part of systemic improvement. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22661 Posts
On April 21 2021 06:33 Stratos_speAr wrote: what precedent tho? that you can't slowly choke someone for 10 minutes while a crowd with camera's are watching?Setting a precedent makes a big difference. It doesn't fix the system and it also doesn't address how other states will act (looking at you, Kentucky), but the precedent clearly exists now and can be applied, at least in Minnesota/the Midwest. | ||
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