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I encourage everyone here to read statements from Black advocacy groups and support them in their attempts to actually have justice for the Black community.
“If you stick a knife 9 inches in & take it out 6—that’s not reform. If you take it all out that’s not reform. Reform is healing the wound. They haven’t even begun to take it out. They wont even admit the knife is there.” - Malcolm X
Almost 60 years later and this quote is still true. Our justice system is fundamentally broken for minority groups. It must be changed. There's so much that needs to be done, but I believe a good first step would be the drastic defunding and demilitarization of the police, and the reinvestment of that money into community-run programs that address homelessness, poverty, mental health, education, and many other things. Improving our communities, especially the Black community, is the right thing to do, not throwing them in prison for decades and killing them on the streets in cold blood.
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United States42692 Posts
On April 21 2021 07:12 plasmidghost wrote:
Well this is one of the most ghoulish things I've ever heard any elected official say. What the literal fuck?
Indeed. He didn’t offer himself up as a Christlike martyr to show the injustices of America. He was murdered. It was an ugly end to a pretty bad life and it’s weird that it’s being romanticized like this. Nobody is out there thanking the victims of Nazi death camps for doing their part to show the flaws of Nazi Germany, and for obvious reasons. This is no different.
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Northern Ireland25344 Posts
We’re hitting levels of peak liberal that I’d never thought possible
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On April 21 2021 07:50 WombaT wrote:We’re hitting levels of peak liberal that I’d never thought possible
omg. would not be Democrats if they did not magically find a way to ruin it... at least it's the old lady on the way out.
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On April 21 2021 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2021 07:27 Ben... wrote:
Pelosi needed to retire years ago. That she still has this much power and continues to say things this stupid on a regular basis is just ridiculous.
I'm glad that Chauvin was guilty on all counts. I was concerned he was going to get off easy on this. I've followed the court case since the start. The evidence was overwhelming but given this is the US justice system, I had my doubts. I wonder if the sentencing will be legit, or bullshit.
Honestly, I'm just surprised he got all 3 charges. I was fully expecting him to only get the second degree manslaughter charge.
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Nothing like Nancy Pelosi saying some downright ghoulish shit to bring everyone together to hate on liberals. Seriously, what the fuck was she thinking when she said that? Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey also expressed sentiments similar to Pelosi's. Why are they romanticizing this man's murder?
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On April 21 2021 08:12 StasisField wrote:Nothing like Nancy Pelosi saying some downright ghoulish shit to bring everyone together to hate on liberals. Seriously, what the fuck was she thinking when she said that? Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey also expressed sentiments similar to Pelosi's. Why are they romanticizing this man's murder? https://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1384619597576474625
Whats with the attitude? Get down on your knees and praise Saint Floyd right this minute!
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On April 21 2021 07:55 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2021 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 21 2021 07:27 Ben... wrote:
Pelosi needed to retire years ago. That she still has this much power and continues to say things this stupid on a regular basis is just ridiculous.
I'm glad that Chauvin was guilty on all counts. I was concerned he was going to get off easy on this. I've followed the court case since the start. The evidence was overwhelming but given this is the US justice system, I had my doubts. I wonder if the sentencing will be legit, or bullshit. Honestly, I'm just surprised he got all 3 charges. I was fully expecting him to only get the second degree manslaughter charge.
Yeah I'll admit that I was also expecting only the weakest one. It's welcome and much needed progress. Still have to wait til sentencing to see what he gets hit with, but it's progress.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
I'm pleased to see that the jury made the correct choice here.
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I still can't believe it happened.
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+ Show Spoiler +Looks like during the verdict, yet another person was killed by police. From what I can gather, this 15 year-old girl called the police because girls were threatening to fight her outside her home. She had a knife on her in case the girls tried to fight her and a cop showed up and immediately shot her four times, killing her. No orders to put the knife down. No taser being used. Just immediate death from many yards away.
Edited to say that this is based on eyewitness testimony to a very recent event so there will almost certainly be changes and new information coming out
(video isn't graphic)
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On April 21 2021 10:09 plasmidghost wrote:Looks like during the verdict, yet another person was killed by police. From what I can gather, this 15 year-old girl called the police because girls were threatening to fight her outside her home. She had a knife on her in case the girls tried to fight her and a cop showed up and immediately shot her four times, killing her. No orders to put the knife down. No taser being used. Just immediate death from many yards away. Cannot be reformed. (video isn't graphic) https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1384635281819766786
Apparently there* is body cam footage of the event being reviewed, lets just wait until that is released before placing judgement.
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On April 21 2021 10:15 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2021 10:09 plasmidghost wrote:Looks like during the verdict, yet another person was killed by police. From what I can gather, this 15 year-old girl called the police because girls were threatening to fight her outside her home. She had a knife on her in case the girls tried to fight her and a cop showed up and immediately shot her four times, killing her. No orders to put the knife down. No taser being used. Just immediate death from many yards away. Cannot be reformed. (video isn't graphic) https://twitter.com/StollNews/status/1384635281819766786 Apparently there* is body cam footage of the event being reviewed, lets just wait until that is released before placing judgement.
Yeah that's fair, so hopefully that can happen soon. The eyewitness accounts need to be officially done or however that works but hopefully some bystanders got video of the actual shooting
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It can be reformed. We create our institutions and we know better ones exist around the world. It doesn't help victims to indulge and spread despair.
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On April 21 2021 10:23 Starlightsun wrote:
It can be reformed. We create our institutions and we know better ones exist around the world. It doesn't help victims to indulge and spread despair.
To be honest, I see this more as trying to get people to work to make better solutions than what we currently have with policing and the justice system in America
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Update on that shooting I mentioned earlier. I've taken back my judgment until I see what it looks like.
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Just watched the bodycam footage and christ that was painful to see. I don't know if linking it here is allowed because it is extremely graphic. I will never understand why police are so quick to shoot their firearms when they have a taser perfectly capable of incapacitating someone with a melee weapon like a knife. Like, unfortunately I don't know what happened before the cop got there but I fully believe that girl should still be alive.
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On April 21 2021 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Just watched the bodycam footage and christ that was painful to see. I don't know if linking it here is allowed because it is extremely graphic. I will never understand why police are so quick to shoot their firearms when they have a taser perfectly capable of incapacitating someone with a melee weapon like a knife. Like, unfortunately I don't know what happened before the cop got there but I fully believe that girl should still be alive.
Not going to watch if it's that graphic. But I saw someone on reddit mentioning that police officers have more leeway than soldiers in actual war zones, with the "rules of engagement." I wonder if that might be the culprit for the very high police / kill rate.
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On April 21 2021 12:46 Husyelt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2021 12:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Just watched the bodycam footage and christ that was painful to see. I don't know if linking it here is allowed because it is extremely graphic. I will never understand why police are so quick to shoot their firearms when they have a taser perfectly capable of incapacitating someone with a melee weapon like a knife. Like, unfortunately I don't know what happened before the cop got there but I fully believe that girl should still be alive. Not going to watch if it's that graphic. But I saw someone on reddit mentioning that police officers have more leeway than soldiers in actual war zones, with the "rules of engagement." I wonder if that might be the culprit for the very high police / kill rate.
The actual video released by CPD is around 1 minute long and it involves + Show Spoiler +the girl being shot four times in the back by the cop
A similar incident happened in 2018, and the Supreme Court weighed in on this. Because of their ruling, it appears that there won't be legal repercussions for the cop.
Kisela, a Tucson police officer, shot Hughes less than a minute after arriving, with other officers, at the scene where a woman had been reported to 911 as hacking a tree with a knife and acting erratically. When Kisela fired, Hughes was holding a large kitchen knife, had taken steps toward nearby woman (her roommate), and had refused to drop the knife after at least two commands to do so. Hughes matched the description given by the 911 caller. Her injuries were not life-threatening. All of the officers later said that they subjectively believed Hughes was a threat to her roommate. Hughes had a history of mental illness. Her roommate said that she did not feel endangered. Hughes sued Kisela, alleging excessive force, 42 U.S.C. 1983. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the officer, reversing the Ninth Circuit. Even assuming a Fourth Amendment violation occurred, which “is not at all evident,” Kisela was entitled to qualified immunity. Although the officers were in no apparent danger, Kisela believed Hughes was a threat to her roommate. Kisela had mere seconds to assess the potential danger and was separated from the women by a chain-link fence. This is "far from an obvious case" in which any competent officer would have known that shooting Hughes would violate the Fourth Amendment; the most analogous Ninth Circuit precedent favors Kisela. A reasonable officer is not required to foresee judicial decisions that do not yet exist in instances where the requirements of the Fourth Amendment are far from obvious.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/584/17-467/#tab-opinion-3881476
I think that there has to be some sort of change. The rules of deadly force and qualified immunity let cops get away with things like this where they murder someone when there are nonlethal ways to defuse a situation, like in this case. The taser, when fired, will jolt someone for five seconds, which is more than enough time to run over to the girl who was just a couple of yards away and disarm her.
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