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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44364 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On April 11 2021 02:21 Erasme wrote: It's funny how Biden is at the same time "slow biden" and the most tyrannical president to implement a communist agenda I'd say very few people expected this much stuff out of him this quickly. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
On April 11 2021 02:21 Erasme wrote: It's funny how Biden is at the same time "slow biden" and the most tyrannical president to implement a communist agenda Well during the campaign he was both a right wing pawn of the neoliberal establishment whose agenda was to maintain the status quo and an antifa supporter of the far left who would take his orders from the squad. Surprisingly, he is exactly what he presented himself as: a very efficient reformist with an energic and rather social democrat agenda. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8536 Posts
On April 11 2021 03:04 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well during the campaign he was both a right wing pawn of the neoliberal establishment whose agenda was to maintain the status quo and an antifa supporter of the far right who would take his orders from the squad. Surprisingly, he is exactly what he presented himself as: a very efficient reformist with an energic and rather social democrat agenda. I respectfully disagree. would the pandemic and economic recovery be priority and less graft and incompetence a given? absolutely. but this wildly exceeeds expectations imho. he is building and massively improving upon the mistakes of the Obama era. I mean who saw another like 2 trillion in infrastructure coming so soon after the recovery act - which is massively popular? he is riding the wave of popular topics and what is legislatively possible very adeptly - turns out being in politics for like 100 years comes with its upsides as well - and without a major mistake yet. recovery - vaccine distribution - EOs. all wins. they are pushing back against R bullshit with HR1 and the private sector follows D messaging. huge win again. not the media - corporate America is abandoning Rs on this. if only for a second of course, they just see where the wind is blowing for the moment. infrastructure work in progress. global tax proposals using g20 as a forum in progress. smart gun regulation in progress, especially as success fighting the pandemic allows for this "normalcy" to literally hit again. I stand by it, if they keep this up and don't totally suck at messaging '22 midterms is very much possible for Dems to keep power or even expand it - that is the main reason why. 6+ percent is the latest number I read today but those are growth numbers not seen in decades. the only thing that kinda went badly was the border stuff, though even there he is more efficient that his predecessor ever was. including also some cruelty that comes with it, though they are putting more much needed resources there as well. I guess working with border agencies that are MAGA super fans is not easy to begin with. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
That being said, ye, I did not expect him to be so good at the job and to have such a clear - and left leaning - agenda. He really has demonstrated that he has the shoulders for the job. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44364 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7890 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44364 Posts
On April 11 2021 04:31 JimmiC wrote: There are lists about what he has accomplished. https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/a35276357/joe-biden-president-executive-orders/ As to pushing a more-progressive-than-expected agenda, you would have to compile what was the expected agenda and the comment is only related to this thread because expectations everywhere else would vary greatly. (as pointed out there are some groups who expect him go full USSR) Here it was that people only like him because he is not trump, he is the same as republicans, nothing will change, return to status quo and so on. So anything he does will be above the expectations that were most loudly stated on this thread. Of course it is a moving target and no matter what he does it still won't be enough for the same voices, but what can you do? Thanks for the link! And yeah, everyone will have different expectations and perceptions surrounding Biden, his political positions, and the actions he ends up taking. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25407 Posts
In the latter regard his administration seems bolder than I expected based upon what I was seeing during the primary process. Plus it’s not like we haven’t been here before, with an administration Biden himself was a big component of. Within the confines of vague pragmatism and what’s realistic Biden’s admin is making better moves than I anticipated, ultimately not all what I’d want but much of that would be super radical so would be silly to judge mainstream politicians on. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23239 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25407 Posts
On April 11 2021 06:13 GreenHorizons wrote: If EO's were accomplishments then we'd have celebrated the closing of GITMO a long time ago. Wait Gitmo is still open? Didn’t Obama close that in his first months in office? :O | ||
KwarK
United States42735 Posts
On April 11 2021 06:23 WombaT wrote: Wait Gitmo is still open? Didn’t Obama close that in his first months in office? :O He EO'd a lot of the less dangerous/political prisoners to either be released or moved to mainland prisons but there remained a handful that he didn't know exactly what to do with so they stayed there. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8536 Posts
Judges happen no matter who is in power - that's an automatism - or you are Supreme Leader McConnell and piss on the constitution for personal gain and interest - and scorched earth partisanship afterwards. he gave away money to rich donors. other than that? would anyone really argue that Democrats had not thrown money at the private sector to get vaccines out faster as well? and how the rest of the pandemic was a success or not for the last admin can be measured by who is in power now. I mean of course maybe there are some who consider it landmark legislation that he invited Kim&Kanye and "solved" criminal justice. or the wall... "walls and wheels people. they work." god that actually happened you guys... | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44364 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25407 Posts
On April 11 2021 06:31 KwarK wrote: He EO'd a lot of the less dangerous/political prisoners to either be released or moved to mainland prisons but there remained a handful that he didn't know exactly what to do with so they stayed there. Aye there is that, I was being a mite facetious. @DPB yeah, given how difficult it is to translate even popular policy into tangible legislation, gotta EO that stuff. I don’t think they’re necessarily as easily reversed, depending on what they are. If you utilise them on an issue with large popular support and people see the benefits of a policy if they’re directly affected, or that the sky hasn’t fallen in if they are not, then just about-turning is tricky. Some things once they’re out of the box are a damn sight harder to stick back in than they are to just keep a lid on. In the absence of being able to get sweeping legislation through Congress, the next best option IMO is to get some good ideas through in EO form, try to transition thru passing into law but worst case scenario you’ve done something and the onus is on the next person to revoke what may be extremely popular. Some issues are seemingly constantly in a degree of flux, Roe v Wade is constantly in play. Others once they’re enacted they’re kind of settled and one can’t really envisage them being live issues again, say once marijuana gets legalised or decriminalised it doesn’t tend to ever go back to being illegal. I think there’s a fair few big structural changes that once they’re out there and people have experience of them in action they’re not going to be reverted, unfortunately it’s getting them out there to that level or exposure in the first place and EOs alone won’t be able to do that. | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
On a related note, I wish Judge Karen Nelson Moore would get on SCOTUS, but that's very unlikely I think. | ||
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Mohdoo
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