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On April 09 2021 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Granted it's "more preferable*" than the Nevada Democrat Governor proposal to bring back company towns.
I'm honestly still in disbelief this was ever even suggested. Totally insane.
If I had no idea about company towns or capitalism I have to admit their propaganda would be pretty enticing. Blockchains LLC has been heading up the lobbying/donations to the governor so you have them to thank.
Here's a short video of the pitch.
Whenever this stuff gets brought up, i always wonder if these people really think that cyberpunk is what we should aspire to.
On April 09 2021 09:15 LegalLord wrote: I’m really impressed with Biden’s powerful support for a $15 minimum wage. If that passes, that will go a long way to benefiting the working class in the country.
It’s a shame that the senate majority is so extremely narrow; Biden governs way left of the right of his party and will need to constantly convince the most conservative members of the majority. Especially considering that he clearly has registered that there is no workinv with the reps and that they will burn every bridge he tries to create.
Gotta pray for those mid-terms but i fear a lot of very important projects will never realize, and that’s really a missed opportunity.
On April 09 2021 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Granted it's "more preferable*" than the Nevada Democrat Governor proposal to bring back company towns.
I'm honestly still in disbelief this was ever even suggested. Totally insane.
If I had no idea about company towns or capitalism I have to admit their propaganda would be pretty enticing. Blockchains LLC has been heading up the lobbying/donations to the governor so you have them to thank.
On April 09 2021 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Granted it's "more preferable*" than the Nevada Democrat Governor proposal to bring back company towns.
I'm honestly still in disbelief this was ever even suggested. Totally insane.
If I had no idea about company towns or capitalism I have to admit their propaganda would be pretty enticing. Blockchains LLC has been heading up the lobbying/donations to the governor so you have them to thank.
On April 09 2021 09:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Granted it's "more preferable*" than the Nevada Democrat Governor proposal to bring back company towns.
I'm honestly still in disbelief this was ever even suggested. Totally insane.
If I had no idea about company towns or capitalism I have to admit their propaganda would be pretty enticing. Blockchains LLC has been heading up the lobbying/donations to the governor so you have them to thank.
Pilot cities don't sound that awful, there appears to be rules from stopping the past abominations from failing. While it is not my thing I do think you guys should do a little more reading before you jump down this rabbit hole. It is a little like saying Socialism is really bad and will always be really bad because of NK.
Also, a long as China exists and continues to push forward on its Totalitarian control both in the real world and digitally we can watch a dystopian (turned real) society grow and flourish in real life.
Edit: also there is a hell of a lot more Democratic members who are into 15 dollar minimum wage then into corporate cities. So it seems awfully disingenuous to act like this is a democratic party position and that 15 dollar minimum wage is not.
There are a lot of pilot cities in works around the world. The difference, to me at least, is that this is the only one that is giving the city over to the companies and allowing them to run it as they see fit. If they just let tech companies handle all of the infrastructure and make it a "model" city, then I'd be okay with it. But I don't see how this wouldn't be akin to living under constant surveillance and Truman Show-esque level of watching. I think the concept is neat. But that's as far as I can go.
Pilot cities don't sound that awful, there appears to be rules from stopping the past abominations from failing. While it is not my thing I do think you guys should do a little more reading before you jump down this rabbit hole. It is a little like saying Socialism is really bad and will always be really bad because of NK.
Also, a long as China exists and continues to push forward on its Totalitarian control both in the real world and digitally we can watch a dystopian (turned real) society grow and flourish in real life.
Edit: also there is a hell of a lot more Democratic members who are into 15 dollar minimum wage then into corporate cities. So it seems awfully disingenuous to act like this is a democratic party position and that 15 dollar minimum wage is not.
There are a lot of pilot cities in works around the world. The difference, to me at least, is that this is the only one that is giving the city over to the companies and allowing them to run it as they see fit. If they just let tech companies handle all of the infrastructure and make it a "model" city, then I'd be okay with it. But I don't see how this wouldn't be akin to living under constant surveillance and Truman Show-esque level of watching. I think the concept is neat. But that's as far as I can go.
It totally depends on the regulation, but according to the articles on the actual proposal that regulation does exist and they would fall under all the rules that a municipality already does. Also, we are a long ass way away considering that the cost of starting a brand new city in the desert, the infrastructure alone would be insane.
We have a bunch of tent cities and so on around huge mining and oil and gas projects up north here. Obviously not a bunch of Tech stuff, just a bunch of tents, mess halls, entertainment and so on. The companies take care of all the expenses, sewage, electricity, food, housing and so on. Nothing crazy has happened, no one bent on world domination has done anything. The people who work their like it because of how much money they can make and save (thought he climate and being away from friends and family is shitty so most don't do it long term).
Being scared by that video is like being scared of a concept car!
I'm not scared of the concept. It would be more or less living on Apple or Facebook Campus but in a city with all of the amenities. It would be better if being done like Sidewalk Lab was trying to do where they just build out the infrastructure of IoT and leave the rest to the city/state. It wouldn't be just Apple City.
Trying to remember another one from an architecture firm but I can't think of it right now.
I think Biden is being a colossal idiot by focusing on guns instead of election reform and tax reform. Guns and immigration are Democrat's worst topics. Ignore them while you tackle other stuff. Immigration and guns should be 2nd term things, NOT first.
On April 10 2021 03:02 Mohdoo wrote: I think Biden is being a colossal idiot by focusing on guns instead of election reform and tax reform. Guns and immigration are Democrat's worst topics. Ignore them while you tackle other stuff. Immigration and guns should be 2nd term things, NOT first.
Bring up the conversation. Show that they are thinking about it and willing to bring ideas and legislation to the table. As always, Rs will flip their shit about it and they can use it next year for mids. The biggest thing is to get that infrastructure bill zipped through as quickly as possible.
On April 10 2021 03:02 Mohdoo wrote: I think Biden is being a colossal idiot by focusing on guns instead of election reform and tax reform. Guns and immigration are Democrat's worst topics. Ignore them while you tackle other stuff. Immigration and guns should be 2nd term things, NOT first.
Bring up the conversation. Show that they are thinking about it and willing to bring ideas and legislation to the table. As always, Rs will flip their shit about it and they can use it next year for mids. The biggest thing is to get that infrastructure bill zipped through as quickly as possible.
Yeah but they always lose that conversation and give the R's base motivation to come out and vote in an election cycle that they already have a turnout advantage.
On April 10 2021 03:02 Mohdoo wrote: I think Biden is being a colossal idiot by focusing on guns instead of election reform and tax reform. Guns and immigration are Democrat's worst topics. Ignore them while you tackle other stuff. Immigration and guns should be 2nd term things, NOT first.
I agree. It's awful, but the country has so many problems that mass shootings aren't even halfway up the agenda imo. It's such a red hot issue for rural America that it would take every scrap of political capital he has, and he can't afford that in the slightest, so should continue to send thoughts and prayers instead.
I still think his whole term should be exclusively focused on the filibuster, PR/DC statehood and HR1. Nothing is more important than making sure the reps can't drag the country back to the precipice of fascism. Absolutely nothing.
The infrastructure, tax etc stuff is great in itself, but its real value is as overwhelmingly popular legislation that the reps will be tempted to stonewall even when their own base is on board, wedging the moderates. Gun reform is the opposite: an overwhelmingly contentious issue that the reps can grandstand against to collect points and scaremonger for free.
Universal background checks is possibly the single most universally popular policy proposal that currently exists.
Biden's EO's aren't that, so I'd agree they are stupid functionally and politically, but we shouldn't perpetuate the idea that anything he/Democrats could have tried to do about guns in the wake of the recent mass shootings would be divisive (or that doing nothing is sensible).
I don't think it's anywhere near as effective a wedge issue as infrastructure etc. Like everything in the US, the opinion polls change wildly based on the wording and whether it's a D or R that would implement it. This one seems as touchy as it gets.
Imo the group that most pressures Manchin and friends are the rural, working class nominal Rs who turned on Trump. Those people are as pro-gun as you can get. We all know McConnell and co would absolutely love to push the narrative that Biden tricked those people into voting for him only to come for their guns.
We'll see. If it really is that popular then by all means run it out onto the floor and see. I don't think it would be that hard for the Rs to bat aside.
On April 10 2021 12:03 Belisarius wrote: I don't think it's anywhere near as effective a wedge issue as infrastructure etc. Like everything in the US, the opinion polls change wildly based on the wording and whether it's a D or R that would implement it. This one seems as touchy as it gets.
Imo the group that most pressures Manchin and friends are the rural, working class nominal Rs who turned on Trump. Those people are as pro-gun as you can get. We all know McConnell and co would absolutely love to push the narrative that Biden tricked those people into voting for him only to come for their guns.
We'll see. If it really is that popular then by all means run it out onto the floor and see. I don't think it would be that hard for the Rs to bat aside.
We disagree on whether the most simple, popular/bipartisan supported policy (by far) is a better wedge issue than a vague appeal to infrastructure and jobs. A "jobs" package that doesn't even include the (Manchin supported) $11 minimum wage that would potentially be the single best polling policy in the package.
Universal background checks has polled for a decade+ better than the best individual parts of Biden's infrastructure plans and blows the package as a whole out of the water.
Biden's current plan to negotiate with Republicans and Manchin/Sinema for months on this infrastructure bill to maybe make it a wedge issue eventually while things like DC statehood and HR1 go nowhere instead is bad/much worse imo.
the risk is rather high he is just wasting time by pushing for gun regulation, however people are in favor for background checks, so in other words smart regulation. have to wait and see how it plays out.
generally I am pleasantly surprised with how things are going. I thought Biden would be a stop gap to establish a bit of normalcy and a bit of sanity until the next gal/guy but I actually kinda like this old man. someone apparently put this idea in his head of a grand legacy. FDR style.
went from Sleepy Joe to Ballin Biden kinda quick with how he is throwing money at problems. it's actually not a bad play if you think about where the world is headed energy wise. spend the Petrodollar while it' still worth something and invest in the future. even if it goes belly up, interdependency in a global economy will make sure others will succed or fail with you. just like in the GFC. interesting times indeed.
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