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On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones.
Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity.
So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ?
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Northern Ireland26094 Posts
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers
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Unions are not by definition a good thing. If used properly they protect workers, who have insignificant power individually, from exploitation.
Improperly they destroy companies and organisations from inside out with unrealistic demands, stifling improvement and corruption.
The issue with unions in the US is more of a culture problem then a union problem imo.
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On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ?
Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done.
On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers
For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart.
His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative.
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On August 08 2020 00:09 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 23:39 JimmiC wrote:On August 07 2020 22:40 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 07 2020 22:30 Wegandi wrote:I'm glad I can foster healthy discussion. Good change of pace. I am curious GH as to how you feel about this: https://reason.com/2020/08/06/81-percent-of-black-americans-want-the-same-level-or-more-of-police-presence-gallup/As calls to defund and abolish the police grow around the country, a new poll by Gallup finds that a large majority—81 percent—of black Americans want the same or increased levels of police presence in their neighborhoods. Just 19 percent of black Americans said they want the police to spend less time in their neighborhoods, a figure that accords with earlier surveys finding that only 22 percent of black Americans want to get rid of police forces as we know then. I don't think the tactics employed these last 2 months are doing any good, what say you? From the linked Gallup polling some 58% of Americans across the board wanted ‘major changes’ and 56% wanted an end to police unions. Which are pretty big numbers, hell I include myself in the number of people who were relatively unaware of the myriad of negative ways the police unions were prior to this more sustained wave of protest. That’s still a pretty big shift towards reforms, even though not quite to as radical a degree as GH would likely want. I wonder what % of Americans want to do away with union's in general. I think they are pretty unpopular in the USA. Isn’t anything vaguely sensible unpopular in the USA?
What American unions actually are in practice would be unpopular in most European countries as well. They're largely crooked organizations that are in the business of growing their revenue stream - union dues - while doing little to benefit its members beyond that. Police unions in particular are a good example of another behavior they encourage: protecting bad actors within their own ranks, for reasons not more complex than that they are members of the union.
We all know what problems unions are meant to solve; US unions in particular really are just trash.
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Northern Ireland26094 Posts
On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative.
What planned changes to religions exemptions sacrificed to the culture war do you find egregious or caving to leftist sentiment?
Outside of throwing the Little Sisters back to court. That does seem a pretty silly course to be going down, at least in this specific instance.
I‘m perfectly fine with such an organisation getting such exemptions, so yes that is a misstep and a catch-all law creating problems.
I can’t really speak for everyone of course, I’m more easy with religious exemptions being granted in such specific cases if the tax exempt status for religious organisations wasn’t so flagrantly abused by obvious charlatans.
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On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative.
Schoolyard junk ? Your own president going live admitting he'd love Russian intel and that he'd use it for an election ? I guess it's harder to argue when he's very open about it.
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On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative. Is those laundry list of changes to religious exemptions an attack on religious people trying to practice their religion in peace without intruding on others or an attempt to limit the blatant misuse and strait up fraud by charlatans hidden behind the facade of pseudo 'religious organisations'?
And sure talk about the nice nuns helping the elderly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, which is about them denying basic healthcare in the form of contraception to their employees. As an employer they pay a certain sum for their employees healthcare, whether they spend that on a plan that includes contraception or not is of no concern to the nuns and is no way what so ever treads on the religious freedom of said nuns.
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@danglars: if a new religion based on, let's say, Islam was to be founded, that called all Healthcare a sin and would fire every person imployed by them, that went to the doctor with the wages they are paying, are they allowed to do that with American religious freedom? Or if they were giving Healthcare benefits, but only to woman as men are not allowed. Or only by doctors that treat all ailments with leeches?
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On August 08 2020 01:18 Broetchenholer wrote:
@danglars: if a new religion based on, let's say, Islam was to be founded, that called all Healthcare a sin and would fire every person imployed by them, that went to the doctor with the wages they are paying, are they allowed to do that with American religious freedom? Or if they were giving Healthcare benefits, but only to woman as men are not allowed. Or only by doctors that treat all ailments with leeches?
People have tried that with stuff like taxation, and failed in the courts, as they rightly should. We went round this reductio ad absurdum together before, and never got beyond your absurd examples. I suppose it's the standard fare of people that try to justify the harm, so I shouldn't really be surprised.
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On August 08 2020 00:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative. Is those laundry list of changes to religious exemptions an attack on religious people trying to practice their religion in peace without intruding on others or an attempt to limit the blatant misuse and strait up fraud by charlatans hidden behind the facade of pseudo 'religious organisations'? And sure talk about the nice nuns helping the elderly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, which is about them denying basic healthcare in the form of contraception to their employees. As an employer they pay a certain sum for their employees healthcare, whether they spend that on a plan that includes contraception or not is of no concern to the nuns and is no way what so ever treads on the religious freedom of said nuns.
If you can't even compromise just one bit for nuns helping the elderly, it's a good indication your views on religion is never be allowed to have a religious conscience in public.
It must be a very pretty thing to drag a group of nuns all the way up to the Supreme Court litigating for their rights twice in a goddamn decade, and come back to say it has "absolutely nothing to do with the issue." Go found something non-Catholic if you have a problem with their views on abortifacients. Tiny religious aid organizations punished by big, powerful governments should be an indication that your views are messed up.
Rights for me, but not for thee. Courtesy of the Democratic party, please vote for us because we're the only other alternative. Disgraceful.
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Why? You are applauding a religious entity rejecting law, because of their religious belief. Why is that different to another religious entity rejecting Healthcare because of lack of leech therapy? Can the sisters of whatever fire their employees because they are gay? Should they be allowed?
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On August 08 2020 00:44 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative. What planned changes to religions exemptions sacrificed to the culture war do you find egregious or caving to leftist sentiment? Outside of throwing the Little Sisters back to court. That does seem a pretty silly course to be going down, at least in this specific instance. I‘m perfectly fine with such an organisation getting such exemptions, so yes that is a misstep and a catch-all law creating problems. I can’t really speak for everyone of course, I’m more easy with religious exemptions being granted in such specific cases if the tax exempt status for religious organisations wasn’t so flagrantly abused by obvious charlatans.
Any comment on Biden personally tweeting that he's taking the Little Sisters of the Poor back to court if elected? Because calling it "a pretty silly course" to go down is not really a developed opinion. You can imagine how he'll treat conflicts in religious conscience within businesses if he can't find it in his heart to give the nuns a rest. (As far as that subject goes, asked and answered)
It's nice for you to hold those opinions, and I wish the Democrats would choose candidates like that. What more is there to say? Go read Biden's equality/LGBT document to see other religious organizations that will have to fight to retain what they now enjoy, should someone be elected that is clearly pledging to be against them.
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On August 08 2020 01:34 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 00:56 Gorsameth wrote:On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative. Is those laundry list of changes to religious exemptions an attack on religious people trying to practice their religion in peace without intruding on others or an attempt to limit the blatant misuse and strait up fraud by charlatans hidden behind the facade of pseudo 'religious organisations'? And sure talk about the nice nuns helping the elderly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, which is about them denying basic healthcare in the form of contraception to their employees. As an employer they pay a certain sum for their employees healthcare, whether they spend that on a plan that includes contraception or not is of no concern to the nuns and is no way what so ever treads on the religious freedom of said nuns. If you can't even compromise just one bit for nuns helping the elderly, it's a good indication your views on religion is never be allowed to have a religious conscience in public. It must be a very pretty thing to drag a group of nuns all the way up to the Supreme Court litigating for their rights twice in a goddamn decade, and come back to say it has "absolutely nothing to do with the issue." Go found something non-Catholic if you have a problem with their views on abortifacients. Tiny religious aid organizations punished by big, powerful governments should be an indication that your views are messed up. Rights for me, but not for thee. Courtesy of the Democratic party, please vote for us because we're the only other alternative. Disgraceful.
I always wonder how hard you have to try to show all this emotional outrage...
It is quite a feat to call everyone else in the thread hysterical and then always throwing around posts like these....
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Republicans pretending they can walk away from another stimulus are being really silly. If this implodes, Democrats take the Senate no matter what. Democrats will not suffer politically if Republicans don't pass a bill
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On August 08 2020 01:40 Broetchenholer wrote:
Why? You are applauding a religious entity rejecting law, because of their religious belief. Why is that different to another religious entity rejecting Healthcare because of lack of leech therapy? Can the sisters of whatever fire their employees because they are gay? Should they be allowed?
I like the rejecting law part. You think protections carved into the first amendment for religious expression were made for purposes other than stopping laws like the PPACA as administered by Obama's HHS? Yes, it's for rejecting laws, in fact the entire bill of right foresaw unjust laws. It gave the people a little protection from zealous politicians or inept politicians, because forcing them towards revolting against the government doing the unjust law stuff is a little bloodier.
They should have broad ability to hire and fire based on religious grounds, so it would depend on whether or not it violated whatever Catholic doctrine they adhere to. Think about certain Christian denominations teaching that homosexuality is a violation of God's law, and being forced to hire gay pastors. Or Muslim, Mormon. This does not apply to public businesses like the Colorado baker, just to overtly religious organizations. That's the should they. The can they is maybe, go ask a lawyer in light of whether Our Lady of Guadalupe School or Bostock applies, since the breadth of the decisions isn't well known to me.
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On August 08 2020 01:43 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2020 01:34 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2020 00:56 Gorsameth wrote:On August 08 2020 00:31 Danglars wrote:On August 08 2020 00:12 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 23:57 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 23:37 Erasme wrote:On August 07 2020 22:58 Danglars wrote:On August 07 2020 15:37 Sr18 wrote:
Danglars, on a scale of 1 to 10, how likely is it that you will vote for Biden come november? Biden’s appointments for his policy groups, and promise to send the group of nuns back to court, are the main reason it’s a zero. Title IX, foreign policy, second amendment, religious freedoms ... yeah I’ll stop there I’m not writing a novel. Likelihood that I won’t vote for either of them is pretty high. Whats better in the end ? An american controlled muppet, or a russian one ? Ahh yes, the old Russian-controlled canard. The results of the Barr & Durham investigations, and possibly the John Bash one, cannot come soon enough. Domestic spying and leak campaigns are popular when done by Democratic administrations against Republican ones. Trump directly, in front of camera, said that he'd like Russia to invest the Hillary emails, the very same day, hillary's campaign suffered a cyber attack from Russia. Then asked, once again in front of a camera, if he'd listen to outside inteference, he said yes. Cue to his son, saying that most of their money comes from Russia since, you know, the whole stealing from charity. So whats your pick, russian muppet or democratic muppet ? Oh right, Trump riffing on Clinton deleting tens of thousands of emails under subpoena in her personal bathroom server is linked towards Russian cyberattacks on Democratic political organizations. As Russians also tried to hack Republican servers. Yeah, get out of here with this schoolyard junk. I'm done. On August 08 2020 00:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
@Danglars what would a Biden candidacy mean that is so potentially damaging to religious freedoms? You have mentioned it a few times now so I’m curious as to the reason you hold this particular position. Cheers For reasons probably too numerous to justify recounting, but I will mention promising to send the Little Sisters of the Poor, a bunch of nuns devoted to helping the elderly, back to court for a fucking third time, now spanning a decade. While connected (secular) companies can get their own exemptions crafted right into the law at its heart. His campaign website on equality is basically a laundry list of planned changes to religious exemptions on all manner of culture war issues. The guy's really given in to the hard left on that subject, which is kind of why I wish both could lose. Such a disgrace that he's a major party candidate, but it goes to show what the modern Democratic party is today. No alternative. Is those laundry list of changes to religious exemptions an attack on religious people trying to practice their religion in peace without intruding on others or an attempt to limit the blatant misuse and strait up fraud by charlatans hidden behind the facade of pseudo 'religious organisations'? And sure talk about the nice nuns helping the elderly, which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, which is about them denying basic healthcare in the form of contraception to their employees. As an employer they pay a certain sum for their employees healthcare, whether they spend that on a plan that includes contraception or not is of no concern to the nuns and is no way what so ever treads on the religious freedom of said nuns. If you can't even compromise just one bit for nuns helping the elderly, it's a good indication your views on religion is never be allowed to have a religious conscience in public. It must be a very pretty thing to drag a group of nuns all the way up to the Supreme Court litigating for their rights twice in a goddamn decade, and come back to say it has "absolutely nothing to do with the issue." Go found something non-Catholic if you have a problem with their views on abortifacients. Tiny religious aid organizations punished by big, powerful governments should be an indication that your views are messed up. Rights for me, but not for thee. Courtesy of the Democratic party, please vote for us because we're the only other alternative. Disgraceful. I always wonder how hard you have to try to show all this emotional outrage... It is quite a feat to call everyone else in the thread hysterical and then always throwing around posts like these....
I think the way this subject is continually debated is outrageous, so yes, I'll include expressions there. I don't think it's excessive, but whatever.
Simultaneously, people get hysterical on "Trump cancelling elections" "Trump-Russia" and various Trump tweets, not in proportion to real fear or danger. See past posts to what I consider political hysteria if you're confused. (I better add the disclaimer for certain posters here that I'm not alleging *everything* Trump says and does does not merit expressions of outrage.)
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On August 07 2020 22:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2020 22:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Yeah. I think the notion that it's both parties responsibility is kind of untenable when you consider that the Democratic party aligns on positions of parties around the world that range from centre left to right, while you would have to go to the most extreme populist right internationally to find anything that resemble the GOP ideological position. Just curious with this framing (and a 2 party system), if you think the opposition party to Democrats should be to their left or to their right? Basically is there more space to Joe Manchin's right on this international scale or to Bernie's left?
In an ideal world (by that I mean if it were anywhere else), the Dems would be centre right, there would be a centre left party probably close to Sanders ideas and the moderate republicans would be the hard right. And there would maybe be a fringe party of lunatics that would align with Trump and his likes.
For me, a reasonable right wing leader should be Angela Merkel or Emmanuel Macron, not Donald effing Trump or Ted effing Cruz.
I'm left but I can live with Macron, or Merkel, or Biden. Not my first choices obviously (although Merkel is so remarkable that if I were german I would consider).
Trump or Cruz are more the likes of AfD or Le Pen.
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