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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
On September 26 2019 05:54 IyMoon wrote: He is known for Twitter tirades at 2 am.What is wrong with this press conference by Trump? Why does he sound like he hasnt slept in 5 days The obvious answer is he hasn't slept well in days? | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States766 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Trump is playing them like a fiddle. You would've thought that the Democrat brass has learned from their past mistakes of trying to bury this guy with nothing but nonsense, and yet all they keep doing is throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I guess we are going to have another 4 years of Trump | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8898 Posts
On September 26 2019 11:44 BerserkSword wrote: Democrats have become a complete and utter embarrassment. What on Earth are they doing? What is their end game? Trump is playing them like a fiddle. You would've thought that the Democrat brass has learned from their past mistakes of trying to bury this guy with nothing but nonsense, and yet all they keep doing is throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. I guess we are going to have another 4 years of Trump is this a terrible attempt at sarcasm? or are you being genuinely serious | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 26 2019 04:46 Nouar wrote: Someone is getting fired soon I guess ^^ The White House just sent their talking points about this Ukraine issue to... Congress democrats ! Then tried to recall the email, but too late ! Poor guy... https://theweek.com/speedreads/867641/white-house-accidentally-emailed-ukraine-talking-points-nancy-pelosi The acting DNI is also supposed to send the whistleblower complaint to congress this afternoon. " ./f msg i'm going to dt drop this ass hoel lol" | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
This story keeping Biden's name front and centre in the news could well be doing him a favour. Of course if there turns out to be meaningful substance to the allegations against Biden that's probably a big problem for him but that doesn't seem like the most likely outcome at this stage. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24121 Posts
On September 26 2019 12:31 Aquanim wrote: It's entirely plausible that the Democrats are making a blunder here but I don't think Trump is directly playing them to any meaningful degree. I also think there's a fairly likely middle-ground outcome where this doesn't sink Trump but it doesn't have any substantial blowback on the Democrats as a whole either. This story keeping Biden's name front and centre in the news could well be doing him a favour. Of course if there turns out to be meaningful substance to the allegations against Biden that's probably a big problem for him but that doesn't seem like the most likely outcome at this stage. Not so much a blunder as their only move and it's still a bad one. The story is bad for Biden because it's still the primary, and while Trump is the focus, Biden's son's $50,000 a month is tough to explain away as just wanting his expertise in Ukrainian energy. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10916 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
To be clear I'm not a supporter of Biden. It's just not at all obvious to me at this stage that this story is going to harm his candidacy in the primary, especially if there isn't much more to the story about the Bidens than what is presently known. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia244 Posts
On September 26 2019 15:14 Aquanim wrote: Unless there's some serious meat to the angle about Biden's son (and I don't think him simply being on the board or whatever is sufficient because that's been public knowledge for years AFAIK), it is far from obvious to me that the negative effect that has on Biden in the primary is going to outweigh the potentially positive effect of the "Trump appears to think Biden is a threat" angle. To be clear I'm not a supporter of Biden. It's just not at all obvious to me at this stage that this story is going to harm his candidacy in the primary, especially if there isn't much more to the story about the Bidens than what is presently known. I find it sad that we are looking at how the politics play out in a situation when a president is leveraging military aid for opposition research. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24121 Posts
On September 26 2019 15:14 Aquanim wrote: Unless there's some serious meat to the angle about Biden's son (and I don't think him simply being on the board or whatever is sufficient because that's been public knowledge for years AFAIK), it is far from obvious to me that the negative effect that has on Biden in the primary is going to outweigh the potentially positive effect of the "Trump appears to think Biden is a threat" angle. To be clear I'm not a supporter of Biden. It's just not at all obvious to me at this stage that this story is going to harm his candidacy in the primary, especially if there isn't much more to the story about the Bidens than what is presently known. Here's Ted Lieu responding to the question. He simply explains that people sit on boards and get paid so there's nothing to see. Democrats willingness to brush stuff like that off is what Sanders and rhetorically Warren are running against (though Warren doesn't really hold Democrats accountable). | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 26 2019 20:06 GreenHorizons wrote: Here's Ted Lieu responding to the question. He simply explains that people sit on boards and get paid so there's nothing to see. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1176985418899886081 Democrats willingness to brush stuff like that off is what Sanders and rhetorically Warren are running against (though Warren doesn't really hold Democrats accountable). For that to make a meaningful difference in the primary (or for that matter the general election), it would by definition have to get traction with people who are or were considering supporting Biden in the first place. I don't see that as likely, do you? EDIT: If anything I think it might have more impact in the general election if Biden gets there since it potentially makes it more difficult for Sanders/Warren/whoever supporters to hold their nose. I find it difficult to believe that anybody who feels strongly about this issue wasn't supporting Sanders/Warren in the primary already. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24121 Posts
On September 26 2019 20:18 Aquanim wrote: For that to make a meaningful difference in the primary (or for that matter the general election), it would by definition have to get traction with people who are or were considering supporting Biden in the first place. I don't see that as likely, do you? I imagine of the ~70% of people who haven't made up their mind there's a chunk of them considering Biden for which this may be enough to take him off their list of potential candidates. I'd agree Biden supporters will wave this off as nothing though. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
On September 26 2019 22:33 Mohdoo wrote: You really should add context...And just like that, this Ukraine ordeal goes into overdrive. There's a server! And it's all detailed. Good god. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
The main good news for Trump is that I cannot imagine that he was directly responsible for this because he has no idea what's legal and what isn't. The bad news for Trump means that there is documentation above and beyond this published memorandum of this and other "politically sensitive" information that is virtually unscrubbable and has no national security reason to be there or to be suppressed from the public. Edit: It also alleges that there is a "word for word" transcript produced by the White House situation room that was locked down-which would be a big blow for the "that memo is all we can give, it's as close to a full unredacted transcript as we can get" line of defense despite the major call length/words discrepancy. Unless that memo is the transcript, which seems quite unlikely given that I'm not sure that would make people panic to the extent they appeared to. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 26 2019 22:50 TheTenthDoc wrote: A version of the whistleblower complaint was published pre-testimony this morning. There's some cosmic humor in the fact that the Trump administration may be sunk for improperly moving things that shouldn't be classified onto a super-classified server. The main good news for Trump is that I cannot imagine that he was directly responsible for this because he has no idea what's legal and what isn't. The bad news for Trump means that there is documentation above and beyond this published memorandum of this and other "politically sensitive" information that is virtually unscrubbable and has no national security reason to be there or to be suppressed from the public. Edit: It also alleges that there is a "word for word" transcript produced by the White House situation room that was locked down-which would be a big blow for the "that memo is all we can give, it's as close to a full unredacted transcript as we can get" line of defense despite the major call length/words discrepancy. Unless that memo is the transcript, which seems quite unlikely given that I'm not sure that would make people panic to the extent they appeared to. It is truly delicious. Republicans turned the word "server" into something considered extremely close to a smoking gun, if not a smoking gun. To summarize for people who aren't glued to this right now: The Trump administration has been moving potentially damaging conversations to a classified server that is supposed to be used for other stuff. Its not just about this one conversation, certainly not at this point. It is very possible we'll be getting a whole slew of other conversations. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22452 Posts
On September 26 2019 23:20 Mohdoo wrote: What are the odds that server is suffering irrecoverable damage as we speak?It is truly delicious. Republicans turned the word "server" into something considered extremely close to a smoking gun, if not a smoking gun. To summarize for people who aren't glued to this right now: The Trump administration has been moving potentially damaging conversations to a classified server that is supposed to be used for other stuff. Its not just about this one conversation, certainly not at this point. It is very possible we'll be getting a whole slew of other conversations. I'd say 80%, anyone over/under? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 26 2019 23:25 Gorsameth wrote: What are the odds that server is suffering irrecoverable damage as we speak? I'd say 80%, anyone over/under? The server is apparently some mega server used for super top secret stuff, which is why they decided to use it. My thought is that nothing goes in or out without some kinda procedure. At the very least, it isn't getting attacked or magnet'd or anything. It sounds like it has other very important purposes and isn't in anyone's bathroom. | ||
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