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On May 03 2018 12:47 Wulfey_LA wrote:
DJT is shifting from a legal strategy lead by a lawyer (Cobb), to a media strategy led by an aging politician (Giuliani). Note how Giuliani isn't making legal arguments here and sure as hell won't be answering any interrogatories with the Mueller team. Trump has given up and is just going to try to push all out for the Hannity audience and hope the disengaged middle doesn't see what is going on.
On May 03 2018 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 13:43 NewSunshine wrote:On May 03 2018 11:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Giuliani appears to be unveiling Team Donald Trump's new aggressive strategy on Sean Hannity's TV show right now. The first prong of the strategy is to admit that Trump repaid $130k to Cohen for the purpose of silencing Stormy Daniels (Trump previously said he did not know about the payment and did not repay). The second prong is to compare regular law enforcement agents in NYC to Nazis. The third prong is to call for Sessions and Rosenstein to shut down the special counsel. Of course Guiliani is mainly just saying this to Sean Hannity's audience because the probe isn't actually going to get shut down:
I think at this point, calling it a strategy is a bit generous. He basically took all the shit real people have known, and blurted it out live where all the Fox people will see it for the first time. Incredible. I think it fits right into the strategy I was talking about before. You just put all this stuff out there, then vaguely deny it, then it gets confirmed then everyone just files it away and moves on. These things take any sting out of some grand presentation of it at the end. It's unlikely imo that there's anything 'groundbreaking' that will be revealed that most people didn't presume was true (or didn't care about) in the first place.
That's how I see it too. Watching this Hannity/Guliani interview, Guliani is trying to argue that Trump was justified doing what he did because of the broken Justice Department. The entire interview was them whining about how unfair the Justice Department were, how they weren't going after Hillary Clinton, how unfairly they were treating Flynn and Manafort and how Trump is doing what he's doing because no one can trust the Justice Department/Deep State anymore.
I think its a little bit of a mistake to laugh at Guliani because they only have two options at this point. They can deny all of these allegations but that becomes a bit more difficult with the Cohen raid occurring. There's too much information out there that suggests they've done illegal activities. They can't win a legal battle because they've 100% done a whole host of illegal activity, Trump's already thrown Cohen to the wolves via the National Enquirer writing hit pieces.
The President in the US has significant power and Congress will continue to protect him and his administration so long the court of public opinion can brush or justify these allegations. The man isn't going to get done by obstruction because its a political battle and not a legal one.
That being said, crimes relating to money laundry and tax fraud aren't as easy so some people like Manafort and Cohen are still probably going to jail.
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On May 03 2018 14:46 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 12:47 Wulfey_LA wrote:
DJT is shifting from a legal strategy lead by a lawyer (Cobb), to a media strategy led by an aging politician (Giuliani). Note how Giuliani isn't making legal arguments here and sure as hell won't be answering any interrogatories with the Mueller team. Trump has given up and is just going to try to push all out for the Hannity audience and hope the disengaged middle doesn't see what is going on. Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 03 2018 13:43 NewSunshine wrote:On May 03 2018 11:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Giuliani appears to be unveiling Team Donald Trump's new aggressive strategy on Sean Hannity's TV show right now. The first prong of the strategy is to admit that Trump repaid $130k to Cohen for the purpose of silencing Stormy Daniels (Trump previously said he did not know about the payment and did not repay). The second prong is to compare regular law enforcement agents in NYC to Nazis. The third prong is to call for Sessions and Rosenstein to shut down the special counsel. Of course Guiliani is mainly just saying this to Sean Hannity's audience because the probe isn't actually going to get shut down:
I think at this point, calling it a strategy is a bit generous. He basically took all the shit real people have known, and blurted it out live where all the Fox people will see it for the first time. Incredible. I think it fits right into the strategy I was talking about before. You just put all this stuff out there, then vaguely deny it, then it gets confirmed then everyone just files it away and moves on. These things take any sting out of some grand presentation of it at the end. It's unlikely imo that there's anything 'groundbreaking' that will be revealed that most people didn't presume was true (or didn't care about) in the first place. That's how I see it too. Watching this Hannity/Guliani interview, Guliani is trying to argue that Trump was justified doing what he did because of the broken Justice Department. The entire interview was them whining about how unfair the Justice Department were, how they weren't going after Hillary Clinton, how unfairly they were treating Flynn and Manafort and how Trump is doing what he's doing because no one can trust the Justice Department/Deep State anymore. I think its a little bit of a mistake to laugh at Guliani because they only have two options at this point. They can deny all of these allegations but that becomes a bit more difficult with the Cohen raid occurring. There's too much information out there that suggests they've done illegal activities. They can't win a legal battle because they've 100% done a whole host of illegal activity, Trump's already thrown Cohen to the wolves via the National Enquirer writing hit pieces. The President in the US has significant power and Congress will continue to protect him and his administration so long the court of public opinion can brush or justify these allegations. The man isn't going to get done by obstruction because its a political battle and not a legal one. That being said, crimes relating to money laundry and tax fraud aren't as easy so some people like Manafort and Cohen are still probably going to jail.
Agreed, that's been my take from the beginning pretty much. Folks like Manafort only really go down if they go super hard and Trump leaves them out to dry. Which seems he's somewhat split on at the moment. Manafort looking to get off (light anyway) and Cohen likely already wearing treadmarks
In other news:
MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law.
Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black.
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On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black.
That surprised me for sure. Perhaps it (the headline) can be looked at as a testament to how well the US does assimilating people of other cultures into American society.
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On May 03 2018 18:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black. That surprised me for sure. Perhaps it (the headline) can be looked at as a testament to how well the US does assimilating people of other cultures into American society.
There seems to be a conflict there in that many of those same conservative Christians view themselves/their views as emblematic of "American Society" or at least the parts Muslims (which they also tend not to like much) should imitate.
Most White Evangelicals Don’t Believe Muslims Belong in America
Particularly interesting when you consider two of the oft most cited reasons conservative Christians claim superiority are Muslim/Islam's treatment of gay people and 'terrorism'.
Evangelicals are slightly more likely than Muslims (14% vs. 12%) to agree that it is often or sometimes justified to target and kill civilians in order to further a political, social, or religious cause. (Also in agreement: 19 percent of black Protestants, 16 percent of Catholics, and 14 percent of all Americans.)
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On May 03 2018 19:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 18:41 Tachion wrote:On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black. That surprised me for sure. Perhaps it (the headline) can be looked at as a testament to how well the US does assimilating people of other cultures into American society. There seems to be a conflict there in that many of those same conservative Christians view themselves/their views as emblematic of "American Society" or at least the parts Muslims (which they also tend not to like much) should imitate. Most White Evangelicals Don’t Believe Muslims Belong in AmericaParticularly interesting when you consider two of the oft most cited reasons conservative Christians claim superiority are Muslim/Islam's treatment of gay people and 'terrorism'. Show nested quote +Evangelicals are slightly more likely than Muslims (14% vs. 12%) to agree that it is often or sometimes justified to target and kill civilians in order to further a political, social, or religious cause. (Also in agreement: 19 percent of black Protestants, 16 percent of Catholics, and 14 percent of all Americans.)
I think they're more referring to Muslim treatment of gays like in Saudi Arabia, though, more than at home. In that one they still have a point.
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On May 03 2018 19:29 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 19:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 03 2018 18:41 Tachion wrote:On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black. That surprised me for sure. Perhaps it (the headline) can be looked at as a testament to how well the US does assimilating people of other cultures into American society. There seems to be a conflict there in that many of those same conservative Christians view themselves/their views as emblematic of "American Society" or at least the parts Muslims (which they also tend not to like much) should imitate. Most White Evangelicals Don’t Believe Muslims Belong in AmericaParticularly interesting when you consider two of the oft most cited reasons conservative Christians claim superiority are Muslim/Islam's treatment of gay people and 'terrorism'. Evangelicals are slightly more likely than Muslims (14% vs. 12%) to agree that it is often or sometimes justified to target and kill civilians in order to further a political, social, or religious cause. (Also in agreement: 19 percent of black Protestants, 16 percent of Catholics, and 14 percent of all Americans.) I think they're more referring to Muslim treatment of gays like in Saudi Arabia, though, more than at home. In that one they still have a point.
I'm not thinking the ones that are tossing aside the same first amendment they rail about all the time in order to suggest Muslims shouldn't be in the US also make such a distinction. But you're right there are overlapping groups at play.
EDIT: There's also the whole US sponsoring Saudi Arabia, Evangelicals in Uganda and elsewhere supporting killing gays, then Ted Cruz speaking at Kevin Swanson's (advocated[s?] killing gay people) rally, "gay conversion therapy", hate crimes (often without consequence) and so on domestically.
As far as the government goes the US is at least nominally better, but that's pretty much despite evangelical Christians and against their protests.
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On May 03 2018 18:41 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black. That surprised me for sure. Perhaps it (the headline) can be looked at as a testament to how well the US does assimilating people of other cultures into American society.
If you look at two sides of a political apparatus and one of the sides is very openly not supportive of you, you logically gravitate to the other side. And by virtue of being on the other side it becomes a little easier to adopt the values of the other side.
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Ok, so I admit I thought the doctor Harold Bornstein writing a letter about Trump being the healthiest president ever was pretty funny. But seriously, it is a real travesty that Pence is now endorsing Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona, who is well known to be a complete bigot & rapscallion from way back. I feel that this sets a dangerous precedent of bringing up these ridiculous character actors to national prominence in the news media while ostensibly discussing unrelated topics. I guess prisons there in AZ are terrible & are not good places to be.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/charles-j-sykes/mike-pence-shoutout-to-joe-arpaio-was-shameless-and-disgraceful
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On mobile but yea Trumps doctor didn’t write the letter, don’t know if this was posted:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607638733/doctor-trump-dictated-letter-attesting-to-his-extraordinary-health
In December 2015, Donald Trump's personal physician released a letter describing his patient's health in language that sounded more like it was written by the patient himself than the doctor — and it turns out that might be exactly what happened.
We’re definitely going to be seeing some kind of results out of this investigation. So this would be the second time Trump wrote something himself, and said some one else wrote it. Isn’t that an issue of lying within the office?
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On May 03 2018 17:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 14:46 Womwomwom wrote:On May 03 2018 12:47 Wulfey_LA wrote:
DJT is shifting from a legal strategy lead by a lawyer (Cobb), to a media strategy led by an aging politician (Giuliani). Note how Giuliani isn't making legal arguments here and sure as hell won't be answering any interrogatories with the Mueller team. Trump has given up and is just going to try to push all out for the Hannity audience and hope the disengaged middle doesn't see what is going on. On May 03 2018 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 03 2018 13:43 NewSunshine wrote:On May 03 2018 11:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Giuliani appears to be unveiling Team Donald Trump's new aggressive strategy on Sean Hannity's TV show right now. The first prong of the strategy is to admit that Trump repaid $130k to Cohen for the purpose of silencing Stormy Daniels (Trump previously said he did not know about the payment and did not repay). The second prong is to compare regular law enforcement agents in NYC to Nazis. The third prong is to call for Sessions and Rosenstein to shut down the special counsel. Of course Guiliani is mainly just saying this to Sean Hannity's audience because the probe isn't actually going to get shut down:
I think at this point, calling it a strategy is a bit generous. He basically took all the shit real people have known, and blurted it out live where all the Fox people will see it for the first time. Incredible. I think it fits right into the strategy I was talking about before. You just put all this stuff out there, then vaguely deny it, then it gets confirmed then everyone just files it away and moves on. These things take any sting out of some grand presentation of it at the end. It's unlikely imo that there's anything 'groundbreaking' that will be revealed that most people didn't presume was true (or didn't care about) in the first place. That's how I see it too. Watching this Hannity/Guliani interview, Guliani is trying to argue that Trump was justified doing what he did because of the broken Justice Department. The entire interview was them whining about how unfair the Justice Department were, how they weren't going after Hillary Clinton, how unfairly they were treating Flynn and Manafort and how Trump is doing what he's doing because no one can trust the Justice Department/Deep State anymore. I think its a little bit of a mistake to laugh at Guliani because they only have two options at this point. They can deny all of these allegations but that becomes a bit more difficult with the Cohen raid occurring. There's too much information out there that suggests they've done illegal activities. They can't win a legal battle because they've 100% done a whole host of illegal activity, Trump's already thrown Cohen to the wolves via the National Enquirer writing hit pieces. The President in the US has significant power and Congress will continue to protect him and his administration so long the court of public opinion can brush or justify these allegations. The man isn't going to get done by obstruction because its a political battle and not a legal one. That being said, crimes relating to money laundry and tax fraud aren't as easy so some people like Manafort and Cohen are still probably going to jail. In other news: Show nested quote +MAJORITY OF U.S. MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, WHILE WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS REMAIN OPPOSED
Opposition to same-sex marriage has decreased across a broad swath of religious groups in the United States, with white evangelical Christians one of the few movements for which a majority remains in opposition. Three years on from the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, the findings from the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2017 American Values Atlas, published Tuesday, showed growing support for LGBT rights, including a majority of U.S. Muslims backing same-sex marriage for the first time.
Muslims, by a margin of 51 percent to 34 percent, favor same-sex marriage, compared to just four years ago when a majority, 51 percent, were opposed. There were similar results for black Protestants, with 54 percent opposing gay marriage in PRRI’s 2014 American Values Atlas, compared with 43 percent in the latest findings.
Indeed, opposition to same-sex marriage is now limited almost entirely to white conservative Christians. Fifty-eight percent of white evangelical Christians and 53 percent of Mormons—an overwhelming majority of whom are white—are opposed to allowing gay couples to marry. The group with the most opposition, though, is Jehovah’s Witnesses, a group which is 36 percent white, 32 percent Hispanic and 27 percent black in the U.S. Just 13 percent support the law. Few things I found interesting. Obviously the headline. Interestingly Mormons are more approving of gay marriage than White Evangelicals (Mitt Romney/that Evan guy 2020?). Black Protestants also now have a majority supportive of gay marriage. This is a recent development. The part I personally found most interesting, though pretty much unrelated was that 27% of Jehova's Witnesses are Black.
Its not too surprising, a lot of it has to do with discriminated minority groups able to have empathy towards other minority groups. Mormons are a good example of this, they're socially conservative but their history of being a persecuted religious group has generally let them be more sympathetic towards muslims and the negative impact of islamophobia for instance.
Muslim Americans actually used to be a reliable voting block for the GOP during the George H W Bush days. It wasn't until the War on Terror and open expression of Islamophobia that they flipped from a GOP voting block to a Democratic Party voting block.
Realistically a lot of minority groups would be perfect conservative voting blocks, due to religion and patriarchal family structures, but they literally can't do it because the GOP has such open contempt for them.
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On May 03 2018 13:43 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2018 11:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Giuliani appears to be unveiling Team Donald Trump's new aggressive strategy on Sean Hannity's TV show right now. The first prong of the strategy is to admit that Trump repaid $130k to Cohen for the purpose of silencing Stormy Daniels (Trump previously said he did not know about the payment and did not repay). The second prong is to compare regular law enforcement agents in NYC to Nazis. The third prong is to call for Sessions and Rosenstein to shut down the special counsel. Of course Guiliani is mainly just saying this to Sean Hannity's audience because the probe isn't actually going to get shut down:
I think at this point, calling it a strategy is a bit generous. He basically took all the shit real people have known, and blurted it out live where all the Fox people will see it for the first time. Incredible.
He did it again on Fox and Friends this morning. He claimed the Trump authorized the payment and it was “personal matter”. And then he instantly argues that if news had come out on October 15, 2016, it could have had a negative impact on the election. The President’s attorney is going to TV and bold face admitting that the President committed a felony in the lead up to the election. This is a bold play Cotton, let’s see how it works out for him.
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A personal matter which was done solely to protect the campaign. Did Guiliani research this at all before going on live TV? Are we sure Trump isn't going for incompetence of counsel defense? Maybe he got an ex Clinton lawyer in order to argue his own lawyers tried to undermine him... at this point who knows.
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I feel like the normal way of doing things before a major meeting, making statements, etc. is for the entire legal team to huddle to discuss strategy and make sure they're on the same page, maybe write a couple memos or something to hash out what their positions are.
It seems like Trump and co. opted for this approach instead. Anyways, wonder what Flood is thinking right about now or if he had any hand in this latest move (even though he hasn't officially started).
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that that Guiliani is well past his prime as an attorney or was not that good to begin with.
But seriously, the plain language of the law governing those types of payments directly addresses exactly what Trump did. It isn’t even in complex legal terms. The intent and meaning of the law is plain.
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Let's not forget he also undermined Trumps public statements about why he fired Comey. It blows my mind that he thinks that interview helped Trump. The way he says that by admitting to paying Cohen it suddenly makes campaign finance violations disappear sounds desperate.
Also, Giuliani mentioned other possible payments from Cohen to other attorneys. Here's to hoping somebody can dig those up or some of them will come forward.
Also also, didn't Cohen complain about Trump NOT paying him? I feel like this is lieception.
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I think this is looking increasingly like a move into IAC territory. I'm trying to envision how Giuliani's stunt comes back around and becomes beneficial to Trump, but I'm just not seeing it. The 7D chess isn't there. The idea of admitting it now so it's not as big of a shock later doesn't hold water for me, because a legal battle doesn't care about that. This was strictly a bad move to make. Knowing that it's possible to cop to the incompetency of his lawyers, he probably staged this move to give himself the only pliable defense he has left, by saying he wasn't able to court effective representation. That's all I can think of.
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The thing is none of this is any surprise. If you go back to 2006 and tell people: this is what going to happen if Trump become president, everyone would go "yup, sound about right". The fact we ended up here despite knowing all that is amazing.
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Estimated time before Trump pulls out of the Iran deal? Should prove a great distraction. Double points of we invade. Wag that dog.
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I think there is for sure some other shit about to drop. Either that or Guiliani has some form of dementia. Guiliani saying Trump fired Comey due to Russia stuff isn't exactly enough for a conviction, right? It's not like Guiliani saying that means Trump is convicted of obstruction of justice.
At the end of the day, evangelicals voted for Trump. They don't care about the payoffs. Even if it turns out to all be 100% true it's not like evangelicals are going to vote for democrats. I think this is all a distraction. Some big shit must be about to drop.
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Guiliani is now saying that they won't allow Trump to be caught in a "perjury trap". We already had this fight will Bill Clinton, the President has to testify under oath if compelled to. Also Guiliani is a nitwit, because perjury is the least of your problems if you make false statements in an FBI interview. There is a whole separate law that makes that illegal.
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