EPTI wonder what it's like to take Con Law with the daughters of Trump, Pence, and Pruitt, all of whom are in law school now.
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On_Slaught
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I wonder what it's like to take Con Law with the daughters of Trump, Pence, and Pruitt, all of whom are in law school now. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 04 2018 05:15 Plansix wrote: GH, this isn’t like resisting arrest or some form of entrapment. The payment to Stormy D. was a violation of campaign finance law and a felony. Other politicians have been charged with the exact same crime. Paying people to keep quiet about a story during an election is a contribution under the law and needs to be declared. Failing to do so is illegal. Doing knowingly to keep the story secret is even worse. Cohen isn’t a fall guy. He likely knew exactly what he was doing and why it needed to be a secret. That is why he lied about Trump making the payment and claimed he paid it out of his own pocket. This isn’t fishing for a crime. Crimes happened, likely quite a few of them given the culture surrounding the Trump campaign. These folks just did not give a shit about the rules and the rules are coming back to bite them in the ass. Well that's part of the "different" part. A couple hundred grand ( it's less than that though right?) in shady campaign finance violations and an affair is less suspicious/deserving of prosecution than being black in public relatively speaking. No one was like "We need to investigate Trump to uncover his lawyer slipped a porn star some cash after an 'affair' so she didn't blab about it during the election and hope we catch him lying" in February 2017 The other part is, so what if they did? Anyone really think Trump isn't going to finish his term? | ||
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On_Slaught
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 04 2018 05:26 On_Slaught wrote: Concerning the amount, Giuliani said the 139k was part of a half a million Cohen used. Daniel's is not the only one. Only a matter of time before another shoe drops. That's news to me (I obviously don't follow this stuff that closely) but smaller than I would have expected from what was supposed to be Trump's bag man | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 04 2018 05:24 GreenHorizons wrote: Well that's part of the "different" part. A couple hundred grand ( it's less than that though right?) in shady campaign finance violations and an affair is less suspicious/deserving of prosecution than being black in public relatively speaking. No one was like "We need to investigate Trump to uncover his lawyer slipped a porn star some cash after an 'affair' so she didn't blab about it during the election and hope we catch him lying" in February 2017 The other part is, so what if they did? Anyone really think Trump isn't going to finish his term? In the case of pay off to the porn star, no one was really digging into it until she brought it up. At least from my understanding not being directly involved and not having access to all the evidence. The chain of events went like this: The WSJ reports on the pay off and NDA Stormy confirms to have been paid off and signed an NDA. People around the world remember John Edwards for the first time in years(found guilty of the same thing) Cohen claims he paid the money out of pocket. Many attorneys say “That not allowed, you can get disbarred for that” Other say it is bullshit and Cohen is taking the fall for Trump The Mueller team refers a case to the NY branch of the Justice department regarding Cohen. Search warrant is obtained and they raid his stuff. Cohen continues to claim he paid the money out of pocket and it wasn’t a crime Trump changes legal team and they go full Leeroy Jenkins No one specifically digging around for the 130K, it just came up through independent reporting. However, I bet Mueller’s team had a bunch of evidence around Cohen, but nothing with enough juice to pull the trigger on a warrant. The story likely backed up some evidence they had and lead them to get enough obtain the approval for the raid(which would have had to been substancial). | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I'm sorry but this is too funny not to post as well. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 04 2018 05:46 Plansix wrote: In the case of pay off to the porn star, no one was really digging into it until she brought it up. At least from my understanding not being directly involved and not having access to all the evidence. The chain of events went like this: The WSJ reports on the pay off and NDA Stormy confirms to have been paid off and signed an NDA. People around the world remember John Edwards for the first time in years(found guilty of the same thing) Cohen claims he paid the money out of pocket. Many attorneys say “That not allowed, you can get disbarred for that” Other say it is bullshit and Cohen is taking the fall for Trump The Mueller team refers a case to the NY branch of the Justice department regarding Cohen. Search warrant is obtained and they raid his stuff. Cohen continues to claim he paid the money out of pocket and it wasn’t a crime Trump changes legal team and they go full Leeroy Jenkins No one specifically digging around for the 130K, it just came up through independent reporting. However, I bet Mueller’s team had a bunch of evidence around Cohen, but nothing with enough juice to pull the trigger on a warrant. The story likely backed up some evidence they had and lead them to get enough obtain the approval for the raid(which would have had to been substancial). I feel like you didn't get what I was trying to say. Let me try it another way. You mentioned John Edwards was found guilty of this same thing as a former Senator/Democratic nominee candidate. iirc it was some serious time he was potentially facing and he was caught dead to rights, but fought it all the way. How long did he end up serving and what's he doing nowadays? EDIT: The Onion has been on fire lately, that's one of their less impressive ones as of late really but still good and thanks for the source On_Slaught. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 04 2018 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote: I feel like you didn't get what I was trying to say. Let me try it another way. You mentioned John Edwards was found guilty of this same thing as a former Senator/Democratic nominee candidate. iirc it was some serious time he was potentially facing and he was caught dead to rights, but fought it all the way. How long did he end up serving and what's he doing nowadays? It ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury, but he was facing up to 30 years and 1.5 million in fines on 6 counts. The problem with these cases is that it takes more than one person, so you get into conspiracy to commit a crime. And they rarely have to pay off just one person. But it isn’t this little tiny, white collar crime. It is one that has teeth. Especially if it can be proven that the candidate violated the law on purpose. | ||
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Excludos
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On May 04 2018 05:24 GreenHorizons wrote: The other part is, so what if they did? Anyone really think Trump isn't going to finish his term? Yes, undoubtedly. Even if the GOP doesn't do anything, people are pissed off enough about this administration to get off their asses and actually start voting. If Congress turns blue they will hold him accountable. The GOP might not be doing their jobs, but the Dems sure will. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22991 Posts
On May 04 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote: It ended in a mistrial due to a hung jury, but he was facing up to 30 years and 1.5 million in fines on 6 counts. The problem with these cases is that it takes more than one person, so you get into conspiracy to commit a crime. And they rarely have to pay off just one person. But it isn’t this little tiny, white collar crime. It is one that has teeth. Especially if it can be proven that the candidate violated the law on purpose. Interesting, I went ahead and looked up what he's doing now turns out this guy guilty of a serious crime is... a lawyer. You seem to be confusing my skepticism of (honestly, contempt at the) notion this ends with serious consequences, especially for Trump, for not thinking this stuff is balls to the wall terrible. I get what happened with Rudy, I don't think it's changing any voters minds, particularly the ones keeping Republicans from even entertaining the idea of significantly punishing Trump. Those aren't the independents mostly tuned out that might be roped in by the latest idiocy coming out of the administration. They're the majority of Evangelicals that want to kick Mexicans, Muslims, and a bunch of other people they don't like out of the country. It's the ones that don't believe in evolution or climate change. The ones that still think Mexico is going to pay for a wall that's not coming, and on and on. Of course all of this is ignoring the HUGE fundraising gap that Democrats are losing while the DNC blows money on a Trump like lawsuit and the DCCC tells us primaries are for show, and the Democratic leader in the house backs it up) EDIT: I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to hear Intro, xDaunt, and Danglars all think Trump is basically a conman, womanizer, liar, etc... But they still have no intention of voting Democrat. The best you'd be hoping for is them not admitting it/staying home out of sheer shame. They aren't dumb people. If he doesn't lose their vote he doesn't lose the Senate's vote, presuming Democrats overcome that fundraising gap and can compete without the Republican committing suicide or resigning out of shame and dumping national resources into a single off-season race at a time and win enough seats (and votes with those seats) to start an impeachment. | ||
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Plansix
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On May 04 2018 06:53 Plansix wrote: I'm not sure anyone was talking about voters minds being changed. Also I would need to check, but NPR played a story last month individual Democratic candidates are raising money just fine, keeping pace with the Republicans in most states. And that small money, direct donations are up. Historically, I'm not sure if national fund raising it a large part of the mid terms. I will link this politico article from April about the same thing https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/19/house-republicans-fundraising-2018-midterms-493823 To your point about national fundraising not mattering in midterms, I have no clue. But for individuals Dems are doing fine. | ||
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Plansix
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ShoCkeyy
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I know around here, a lot of immigrants tend to work in fast food places first, before finding another job. With immigration actually down, and a lot of these companies struggling to find workers, where does that leave us? What are the affects of jobs not being filled? There are a couple articles that talk about it such as these two: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/economy/us-economy-job-skills-gap/index.html https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/03/16/is-america-running-out-of-unemployed-people-to-fill-jobs/ But just curious on others stances and point of view. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 04 2018 08:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: This is more like an observation and maybe generalization, but I'm curious about your thoughts on it. Assuming immigration is actually way down, so far everything seems to confirm this, I've noticed a lot more of these fast food chains are hiring like crazy, and are much more slower to turn around due to lack of employees. I know around here, a lot of immigrants tend to work in fast food places first, before finding another job. With immigration actually down, and a lot of these companies struggling to find workers, where does that leave us? What are the affects of jobs not being filled? There are a couple articles that talk about it such as these two: http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/07/news/economy/us-economy-job-skills-gap/index.html https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/03/16/is-america-running-out-of-unemployed-people-to-fill-jobs/ But just curious on others stances and point of view. not sure who you're asking, so i'm gonna assume it's everyone; at some point the effect will be rising wages, it's been rather of a surprise they haven't gone up much already. it might be due to workforce participation rate issues; once those get back to historical norms, maybe then the wages will start rising again. the effects of unfilled jobs is mostly just missed opportunity; but really, if the jobs were truly important wages should be rising to get them filled; or they'd start accepting less perfect candidates. better job training systems to get the right skills to the righ tpeople are certainly needed; sadly funding for them is often lackluster; and there's some political opposition as well. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Paul Ryan continues his unbroken streak of owning himself for zero gain. In his lastest attempt to do something controversial for no good reason, he picks a fight with an Irish Jesuit priest, a group well known for backing down throughout history. In a move that shocks few people who know a Irish Priest, the house chaplain withdrew his resignation with a letter that can be summarized with “Fire me, Bitch”. For those who question the position of house chaplain, it is part of the constitution. It is a spiritual adviser for house members, more relevant in past eras when they would be away from home for months. And Paul Ryan decided he was going to turn it into a political trophy for evangelicals. | ||
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Slaughter
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ticklishmusic
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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — In a historic move, Missouri lawmakers announced Thursday that they are calling themselves into a special session to consider impeaching Gov. Eric Greitens following allegations of sexual misconduct and misuse of charity resources. House and Senate leaders said they had gathered more than the constitutionally required signatures of three-fourths of the members of each chamber to summon themselves into a special session that will start at 6:30 p.m. on May 18 — just 30 minutes after the end of work in their regular session. It will mark the first time in Missouri history that lawmakers have called a special session. Extraordinary sessions typically are called by governors. The petition calls upon lawmakers to consider "disciplinary actions" against Greitens, which also could include lesser reprimands than impeachment. If the House votes to impeach Greitens, the Senate then would appoint a panel of judges to conduct a trial on whether to remove him from office. Only one other Missouri official — former Secretary of State Judi Moriarty in 1994 — has been removed from office following impeachment. Source This has been a pretty ugly fight between Greitens, the AG and the legislature. Looks like the legislature has run out of patience and is going to put an end to this. | ||
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Plansix
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