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The voting on election day went orderly and efficiently without incident. The team
observed the opening of the poll, the vote of Candidate Maduro and his wife and
noted the steady flow of voters throughout the day in approximately forty polling
booths visited. The National Electoral Council reported that 8,603,936 or 46.01
percent of the persons that were eligible to vote exercised their civil right to vote.
This turn out of voters demonstrated that despite the decision by some of the political parties not to participate in the elections, the citizens viewed the elections as
important and confirmed its legitimacy.
The result of the Presidential elections was as follow:-
Nicolas Maduro 5,823,728 votes
Henry Falcón 1,820,552
Javier Bertucci 925,042
Reinaldo Quijada 34,614
List of recommendations based on observations at the polling stations:-
1. The introduction of a distinctive dress or uniform for those officials responsible
for the conduct of the poll in the polling stations to distinguish them from voters,
observers and the media.
2. All campaigning should end before election day. At one polling station, persons
were observed chanting.
3. The voters registered list need to be placed in locations where they are protected
from the elements
4. The font on the list of registered voters need to be improved.
In conclusion, the mission was satisfied that the elections were conducted efficiently in a fair and transparent manner.

We can also conclude that the Venezuelan people who chose to participate in the electoral process of May 20 were not subject to any external pressures, and carried out their right to vote in a peaceful and civil manner which we commend.

As such, we implore the international community to abide by international law and the principals of self-determination and recognize what we consider to be a free, fair, fully transparent, and sovereign election carried out in Venezuela this past May 20.
We declare that we cannot substantiate the declarations made by Rector Rondón following the announcements of the results based on our observations during the mission.

Adequate compliance with the scrutiny system was observed at polling stations,
which confirmed the impartial work and training received by members of the polling
stations and the perfect operation, in particular with regard to speed and
transparency, of the voting machines and the integral authentication device.
We also have to highlight the importance throughout ballot counting of the citizen
verification audit that permitted delegates of the political organizations, groups of
voters and members of national and international observation missions to verify that
the counting shown in the voting machines matched the hard-copy votes deposited in
the ballot box.

On January 27 2019 07:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
The problem is, JimmiC, you are obviously very emotionally engaged with this subject and you treat any hesitancy to agree with your assertions with incredulity. This makes discussing it with you fairly challenging (no offense meant - when it comes to any other subject i've found your posting agreeable).
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I haven't made any definite claims because I don't really know shit all about it. I'm posting sources and being met with 'that's just propaganda' and yet when I do the same I get told that its bat shit crazy.

On January 27 2019 07:42 Aquanim wrote:

I'd suggest you verify (as best as possible) for yourself the nature of venezuelanalysis.com and then make a decision for yourself, instead of relying on personalities.

On January 27 2019 07:51 Jockmcplop wrote:


I'm not relying on personalities (I don't even know what you mean in this context). I actually took these sources from a wall of text and went directly to the pdf files instead of checking the website for authenticity, which I shouldn't have done.
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On January 27 2019 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:
You think the western media is hating on Venezuela because of its 'socialism' or because the government, through corruption and incompetence, has destroyed the country?

On January 27 2019 08:01 Aquanim wrote:

To put it another way, it seemed to me that you spent a fair bit more text commenting on JimmiC's attitude and emotional state than his argument.

About the only things I believe about the situation are:
- Venezuela is currently a shitshow
- If Maduro remains in power, it will remain a shitshow
- If he's ousted, with or without outside interference, it will remain a shitshow

On January 27 2019 08:06 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've wrote alot of things about this, and virtually none of it had to do with anyone on this forum. One sentence does not make my entire post history on this subject.

I came to the same conclusions as you pretty much about the situation inside Venezuela,which is why my posts focus on the Western media, the Western reaction, and Western government interference.

On January 27 2019 08:04 Gorsameth wrote:
You think the western media is hating on Venezuela because of its 'socialism' or because the government, through corruption and incompetence, has destroyed the country?

On January 27 2019 08:51 iamthedave wrote:


100% because of its Socialism. There are countries in way worse state than Venezuala that don't get anywhere near the attention or pressure to change. Actual, full blown dictatorships, too.

The difference is that Venezuala - as a successful Socialist nation - posed a literal threat to the world order as we know it.

It is, shall we say, a rather unequally applied moral standard.