EPTYeah but all countries have historical solutions - in France it was the Republic, the values of the revolution and the enlightment, the language and the litterature, the school. What remain of all that is the question.
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Yeah but all countries have historical solutions - in France it was the Republic, the values of the revolution and the enlightment, the language and the litterature, the school. What remain of all that is the question. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:07 fabiano wrote: What a time we are living in, huh? I, a brazilian, used to witness tv news every single day, 24/7, talking about local murdering, robbery, assaults, rape and all that there is bad in society, am actually afraid to fly to Europe and USA... The things that are happening over there are so fucking random that it actually looks more scary than the dangers we endure in Brazil. These lone wolfs appear out of the blue, the common citizen cannot predict anything, cannot know if he is under danger or not, and it really feels scary... No, you shouldn't be afraid to fly to Europe. Except if you are the kind of person who doesn't go outside because he fears being struck by a lightning, hjmmm,i am not sure which one actually has bigger odds of happening. That doesn't mean there is stuff that shouldn't change. Inequality is imo the biggest common denominator to add on the varied reasons why these kind of things happens. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
On July 23 2016 23:54 m4ini wrote: Yeah, i know.. Because, again, this is totally the place where islam, multiculturalism etc have to be discussed. In the wake of a school shooting/student shooter, whatever you wanna call it. Muslims radicals will continue murdering people, en masse, in Europe and this right here is why. User was warned for this post | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:50 Cowboy24 wrote: Muslims radicals will continue murdering people, en masse, in Europe and this right here is why. Are you unable to understand why talking about islamist terrorism on a thread about a tragedy where it wasn't involved is not only distasteful, but more importantly, irrelevant to the discussion ? Or are there any news i am not informed where the kid was radicalized by ISIS ? Or how they call it, the radicalization express. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:50 Cowboy24 wrote: Muslims radicals will continue murdering people, en masse, in Europe and this right here is why. Lol nice burn. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9174 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:50 Cowboy24 wrote: Muslims radicals will continue murdering people, en masse, in Europe and this right here is why. Muslim radicals will murder people in Europe because we didn't pretend that a non religiously motivated attack was an Islamist attack? How did /pol/ convince you of this one? It's one the most nonsensical arguments I've read all year | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:56 Dan HH wrote: Muslim radicals will murder people in Europe because we didn't pretend that a non religiously motivated attack was an Islamist attack? How did /pol/ convince you of this one? It's one the most nonsensical arguments I've read all year You didn't get it. Move on. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9174 Posts
There's nothing to get. The reason these 'arguments' you guys copy paste from places like /r/the_donald are nonsensical to the rest of the world is not because you are misunderstood geniuses, but because they crumble from the mildest waft of scrutiny. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On July 24 2016 01:06 Dan HH wrote: There's nothing to get. The reason these 'arguments' you guys copy paste from places like /r/the_donald are nonsensical to the rest of the world is not because you are misunderstood geniuses, but because they crumble from the mildest waft of scrutiny. Nah you just didn't get it. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:14 SK.Testie wrote: Nah I'm still pretty sure people should be scared of Brazil. + Show Spoiler + Murder rate ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/qbH3y/c06cf38240.png) And just so I don't bother someones OCD the top 10 ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/qbH9E/86cf99ec22.png) Exactly! People actually "expect" something bad when coming to Brazil, because it is very known the place is dangerous overall. When you walk around here, it is very clear which places are likely to have something bad to happen, and which ones it is more unlikely of such. All in all, you are more aware of possible problems. However, in rich european countries such as Germany or France, I believe you usually have a feeling of being really safe in most of the places, so you turn your guard off. Not sure if I can make myself be understood, but for me, I had this picture in my mind of Germany being a heavenly, peaceful and safe place for a vacation, a place where I could walk around the streets, be in a crowd, day or night, and stay relatively safe. With this immigration crisis, the recurrent terrorist attacks and their consequences, that picture I had is fading away. Europe is becoming a place where out of nowhere something really bad might happen at any time, anywhere, with anyone... totally unpredictable. :/ But you guys are right, I should not be afraid, it's just that I find it quite shocking... I don't know, I just posted it in an emotional moment lol | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
On July 24 2016 00:56 Dan HH wrote: Muslim radicals will murder people in Europe because we didn't pretend that a non religiously motivated attack was an Islamist attack? How did /pol/ convince you of this one? It's one the most nonsensical arguments I've read all year I wasn't clear. If the killer shoots up a night-club, it's because he's a self-hating homosexual. If they shoot a work party, it's because his Jewish coworker was an Islamaphobe. If they shoot up a magazine, it's because the magazine incited them. If the kid said he's bullied it is definitely that. There will be no further investigation or discussion as to possible motives because we instantly know. This time we know. Before, when everyone thought he was a Muslim it was "going to take years to unravel his motivations and we may never fully understand." Basically, if there is any possible connection to anything other than radical Islam, the discussion of Islamic terrorism and migration and multiculturalism (even if clearly relevant, to some degree, to this particular case) are instantly considered taboo and no longer relevant and all discussion is shut down with "How dare you bring those topics up in this time of horrific tragedy!" and anyone bringing them up is treated as an insensitive moron. It's all very tiresome. But if that's the way people want it, that's the way they'll get it. So I'll say no further on it. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
And this last response reaches new levels of delusion to justify yourself in this single subject. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10138 Posts
On July 24 2016 01:53 Jockmcplop wrote: Could it be that people notice when the media does something they don't like, but fail to notice when it does something that supports their views? Yep you are right on that, it goes both ways generally speaking. Except not being radical islam doesn't support any of my views, as i don't see multiculturalist societies as the paragon to achieve, or inmigration/diversity as genuinely positive. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On July 24 2016 01:42 fabiano wrote: Exactly! People actually "expect" something bad when coming to Brazil, because it is very known the place is dangerous overall. When you walk around here, it is very clear which places are likely to have something bad to happen, and which ones it is more unlikely of such. All in all, you are more aware of possible problems. However, in rich european countries such as Germany or France, I believe you usually have a feeling of being really safe in most of the places, so you turn your guard off. Not sure if I can make myself be understood, but for me, I had this picture in my mind of Germany being a heavenly, peaceful and safe place for a vacation, a place where I could walk around the streets, be in a crowd, day or night, and stay relatively safe. With this immigration crisis, the recurrent terrorist attacks and their consequences, that picture I had is fading away. Europe is becoming a place where out of nowhere something really bad might happen at any time, anywhere, with anyone... totally unpredictable. :/ But you guys are right, I should not be afraid, it's just that I find it quite shocking... I don't know, I just posted it in an emotional moment lol Nah I understood you perfectly and you're being very clear in your meaning and the impression you are conveying. I was just making a joke. ;p These things in Europe get reported very heavily on because it's such a culture shock to a very peaceful society for the most part. Also the scale of certain tragedies is really quite large lately. And your picture of Germany in your head is for the most part true. | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
On July 24 2016 01:46 Cowboy24 wrote: Basically, if there is any possible connection to anything other than radical Islam, the discussion of Islamic terrorism and migration and multiculturalism (even if clearly relevant, to some degree, to this particular case) are instantly considered taboo and no longer relevant and all discussion is shut down with "How dare you bring those topics up in this time of horrific tragedy!" and anyone bringing them up is treated as an insensitive moron. It's all very tiresome. But if that's the way people want it, that's the way they'll get it. So I'll say no further on it. I will only say this. Do you realize that, to me (and I suspect some others), it feels like the exact opposite is the case? We're all living in our own little bubble... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 24 2016 01:46 Cowboy24 wrote: I wasn't clear. If the killer shoots up a night-club, it's because he's a self-hating homosexual. If they shoot a work party, it's because his Jewish coworker was an Islamaphobe. If they shoot up a magazine, it's because the magazine incited them. If the kid said he's bullied it is definitely that. There will be no further investigation or discussion as to possible motives because we instantly know. This time we know. Before, when everyone thought he was a Muslim it was "going to take years to unravel his motivations and we may never fully understand." Basically, if there is any possible connection to anything other than radical Islam, the discussion of Islamic terrorism and migration and multiculturalism (even if clearly relevant, to some degree, to this particular case) are instantly considered taboo and no longer relevant and all discussion is shut down with "How dare you bring those topics up in this time of horrific tragedy!" and anyone bringing them up is treated as an insensitive moron. It's all very tiresome. But if that's the way people want it, that's the way they'll get it. So I'll say no further on it. I'll just leave this here:
now I know people, especially from the EU, are shitting on the US for all the mass shootings they have and whatnot. But this isn't exactly the first time a non-terrorist shooting happened in Germany. It's been some time but we had those distraught boy steals gun from dad and goes on a killingspree in his school for being bullied events as well in the past. It's just overshadowed by all the islamic terror attacks the last couple years. It's not exactly the same but in my opinion it's closer to that than a terrorist attack | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 24 2016 05:22 Toadesstern wrote: I'll just leave this here:
now I know people, especially from the EU, are shitting on the US for all the mass shootings they have and whatnot. But this isn't exactly the first time a non-terrorist shooting happened in Germany. It's been some time but we had those distraught boy steals gun from dad and goes on a killingspree in his school for being bullied events as well in the past. It's just overshadowed by all the islamic terror attacks the last couple years. It's not exactly the same but in my opinion it's closer to that than a terrorist attack Don't bother with facts, people want blood. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
There's actually answers to this stuff but people don't seem to want to engage about it. Maybe its because the solutions are boring and involve spending large amounts of money on stuff like good free mental healthcare, compulsory mental health education for very young pupils. That and the solutions don't seem to win votes or grab headlines. These killers come from our culture and our society, isn't it just as important to look at what we're doing wrong as it is to look at other groups in the case of terrorist attacks? | ||
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