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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 12 2016 22:16 GMT
#241
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
June 12 2016 22:17 GMT
#242
On June 13 2016 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 06:52 Slayer91 wrote:
If he hadn't thought that he had divine approval to murder as many homosexuals as he could this wouldn't happen.


If this stemmed from a radical interpretation of Islam, he wouldn't have made the 911 call.


I'm not saying it's 100% the cause or more specifically that it wouldn't be the only factor. But it could be a contribution. There's people chopping gay people's heads off in Saudi Arabia that doesn't just come from nothing.
aka Teutonica
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 22:22:00
June 12 2016 22:21 GMT
#243
On June 13 2016 07:16 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 13 2016 06:52 Slayer91 wrote:
If he hadn't thought that he had divine approval to murder as many homosexuals as he could this wouldn't happen.


If this stemmed from a radical interpretation of Islam, he wouldn't have made the 911 call.

What, hold my hand and lead me through your reasoning here


I'm being held back by not knowing the details on this story
so what im getting is
-He called 911
-Came in guns blazing (automatic weapon?)
-Got shot by police

What I'm hearing from this thread is he, like a good citizen called the cops and then maybe accidentally hit a few people in the club while trying to kill himself.
aka Teutonica
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 12 2016 22:30 GMT
#244
On June 13 2016 07:06 Plansix wrote:
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On June 13 2016 07:04 DickMcFanny wrote:
Do you think we should just have a Muslim terrorism megathread?

I give that thread 3 days before it would be closed. Abd each event should be discussed based on its own set of facts.

I'm not even sure it would last 30 minutes
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
June 12 2016 22:33 GMT
#245
On June 13 2016 07:21 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 07:16 Djzapz wrote:
On June 13 2016 07:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On June 13 2016 06:52 Slayer91 wrote:
If he hadn't thought that he had divine approval to murder as many homosexuals as he could this wouldn't happen.


If this stemmed from a radical interpretation of Islam, he wouldn't have made the 911 call.

What, hold my hand and lead me through your reasoning here


I'm being held back by not knowing the details on this story
so what im getting is
-He called 911
-Came in guns blazing (automatic weapon?)
-Got shot by police

What I'm hearing from this thread is he, like a good citizen called the cops and then maybe accidentally hit a few people in the club while trying to kill himself.

Maybe. When I heard he called the cops I thought it was more of a stunt.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10014 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 22:38:36
June 12 2016 22:38 GMT
#246
How many times do we have to have the media do an in-depth profile of mass murderers before they get the picture that it just encourages more?
I know it gets posted every time but here it is again.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
June 12 2016 22:44 GMT
#247
On June 13 2016 07:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
How many times do we have to have the media do an in-depth profile of mass murderers before they get the picture that it just encourages more?
I know it gets posted every time but here it is again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4


Well if you want to be cynical about this, it gets people interested and increases their viewer counts so it's successful in terms of a business move. Even if it makes more of this happen it's a sort of minor contributing factor and the ethics clash with doing their job of trying to cover the news story people want covered.
aka Teutonica
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10014 Posts
June 12 2016 22:46 GMT
#248
On June 13 2016 07:44 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2016 07:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
How many times do we have to have the media do an in-depth profile of mass murderers before they get the picture that it just encourages more?
I know it gets posted every time but here it is again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4


Well if you want to be cynical about this, it gets people interested and increases their viewer counts so it's successful in terms of a business move. Even if it makes more of this happen it's a sort of minor contributing factor and the ethics clash with doing their job of trying to cover the news story people want covered.


I know there's a cynicism caveat there but this is how people think and I find it so nihilistic that it borders on psychopathy.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23454 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-12 22:49:24
June 12 2016 22:48 GMT
#249
I'll be honest I don't think they are intentionally ignoring causing more mass murders, people are inherently interested in what makes "guy X" turn into "mass murderer" and it's hard to fault them for trying to look into this guy. It's fueled from fear and self-preservation I think and it's not as psychopathic as you think. (in my opinion)
it's more like they rationalise away even considering they are doing harm by doing this.
aka Teutonica
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10014 Posts
June 12 2016 22:50 GMT
#250
I can see your point, but we know better, as a society. I suppose we're all addicted to information and it stems from that.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44393 Posts
June 12 2016 23:08 GMT
#251
Awful. RIP.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
June 13 2016 00:03 GMT
#252
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Ugh... disturbing thought
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 00:35:49
June 13 2016 00:05 GMT
#253
Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words 'Radical Islam' she should get out of this race for the Presidency.

If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can't afford to be politically correct anymore.

The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan. According to Pew, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.


Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.

We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism - which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.

- Donald J. Trump

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Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 01:35:46
June 13 2016 01:09 GMT
#254
Didn't Obama give his speech before Reuters' confirmed ISIS was claiming responsibility? Or do I have the timeline (mostly based on this thread) mixed up?

Edit: I mean it's not like he hasn't mentioned ISIS before in his speeches, so I think that that at least would have come up in it even if he didn't ascribe it to "radical Islam." I'm also not sure when the 911 call info came in.

So maybe Trump is saying he would have blamed it on ISIS even if they didn't take responsibility?

Edit2: It's also kind of weird that Trump would be more concerned about not blaming it on ISIS despite knowing it was ISIS rather than not saying the words "radical Islam" but I guess that's just him
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 01:15:42
June 13 2016 01:14 GMT
#255
On June 13 2016 10:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Didn't Obama give his speech before Reuters' confirmed ISIS was claiming responsibility? Or do I have the timeline (mostly based on this thread) mixed up?



I don''t think it was confirmed at the time although NBCnews did claim that they had sources. not sure when it was officially confirmed but it was either after of immediately before when it's kinda too late to check it or edit the speech.

also Trump seems to be ignoring how comprehensive the US immigration program is. It's obviously not perfect but We don't just let people in without doing comprehensive checks that take up to 2 years.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2016 01:48 GMT
#256
On June 13 2016 09:05 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words 'Radical Islam'. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words 'Radical Islam' she should get out of this race for the Presidency.

If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can't afford to be politically correct anymore.

The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan. According to Pew, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.


Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.

We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism - which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.

- Donald J. Trump

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Revolting.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-13 02:47:15
June 13 2016 02:46 GMT
#257
hmmm, is anyone a veteran, combat expert, or is currently serving in armed forces? Im curious about how one man managed to gun down 100 people. Would need a shit load of ammo to do it by himself, no? if he did it with an AR, he would have to have reloaded multiple times to continue shooting.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
June 13 2016 03:24 GMT
#258
the shooter had 3 hours to do his work and one of the exits was barricaded by a fleeing clubgoer
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46552 Posts
June 13 2016 03:26 GMT
#259
Why three hours? Why weren't the police there within minutes?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Parlortricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States111 Posts
June 13 2016 03:44 GMT
#260
shooting began at 2am, swat wasnt called in until 5. in the interim it was classified as a hostage situation, no officers would have engaged the suspect.
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