On June 13 2016 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its hilarious watching the "lock'em up and throw away the key" law and order gang try to say that the death penalty deters suicides...
On June 13 2016 05:42 mahrgell wrote:
On June 13 2016 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: gay men can't donate blood in Florida? lolz.
i'm sure a mass shooting like this taxes the blood supply.
gays are not allowed to donate blood in many countries. Same as you are not allowed to donate blood in Germany, if you had extended stays in Great Britain during the 80s, you had sex with prostitutes or you had a recent vacation in certain tropical regions. It is just about risk groups...
the blood supply in Canada is safer than in the US and gay men can donate blood in Canada and have been able to do so for 20 years. its a BS policy.
Gay men cannot donate blood in Canada only if they havent had sex in the last 5 years with no history of HIV with testing. Its not quite so simple as they can in Canada btw
your double negatives make it hard to understand what you are trying to say here. gay men who are HIV- can donate blood in Canada and the blood supply is safe. its ironic that on a day when Florida's blood supply must be under great strains that restrictive policies against gay men exacerbate the problem.
I've seen that poll before zeo and it really doesn't fit with what I would expect. I'm saying its wrong at all but i've seen alot of muslim communities in the UK (I live 1/2 mile from a big one) and I just don't get that sense. Maybe they're the shy ones.
On June 13 2016 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its hilarious watching the "lock'em up and throw away the key" law and order gang try to say that the death penalty deters suicides...
On June 13 2016 05:42 mahrgell wrote:
On June 13 2016 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: gay men can't donate blood in Florida? lolz.
i'm sure a mass shooting like this taxes the blood supply.
gays are not allowed to donate blood in many countries. Same as you are not allowed to donate blood in Germany, if you had extended stays in Great Britain during the 80s, you had sex with prostitutes or you had a recent vacation in certain tropical regions. It is just about risk groups...
the blood supply in Canada is safer than in the US and gay men can donate blood in Canada and have been able to do so for 20 years. its a BS policy.
Gay men cannot donate blood in Canada only if they havent had sex in the last 5 years with no history of HIV with testing. Its not quite so simple as they can in Canada btw
your double negatives make it hard to understand what you are trying to say here. gay men who are HIV- can donate blood in Canada and the blood supply is safe.
drop the muslim angle, the isis angle, the afghanistan angle, the gay hate angle.
1st and foremost this is a suicide. when a nation manufactures suicidal citizens some of those citizens will inevitably take some people with them. Once they've decided to commit suicide you no longer have any leverage. you can not punish the dead.
no amount of newly built jails, minimum sentences, law enforcement budget increases, military budget increases, restriction of individual rights, changes in gun laws will prevent someone from committing suicide
the only hope of curtailing the 43,000 suicides is to ask what brought these 43,000 people to a suicidal mindset. every one of these people, who is not seriously ill and just wants out of their misery, is dangerous as fuck.
some of those 43,000 suicidal people will take some other citizens with them.
On June 13 2016 06:29 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen that poll before zeo and it really doesn't fit with what I would expect. I'm saying its wrong at all but i've seen alot of muslim communities in the UK (I live 1/2 mile from a big one) and I just don't get that sense. Maybe they're the shy ones.
This might be of more help, not sure if you have read it already though.
My girlfriends cousin was a firefighter at the scene, he returned home, and locked himself in the room. Hasn't spoken in a while. The scene must of been gruesome, and I don't wish that upon anybody. I hope those people's families can feel at peace in the future. RIP.
On June 13 2016 06:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: drop the muslim angle, the isis angle, the afghanistan angle, the gay hate angle.
1st and foremost this is a suicide. when a nation manufactures suicidal citizens some of those citizens will inevitably take some people with them. Once they've decided to commit suicide you no longer have any leverage. you can not punish the dead.
no amount of newly built jails, minimum sentences, law enforcement budget increases, military budget increases, restriction of individual rights, changes in gun laws will prevent someone from committing suicide
the only hope of curtailing the 43,000 suicides is to ask what brought these 43,000 people to a suicidal mindset. every one of these people, who is not seriously ill and just wants out of their misery, is dangerous as fuck.
some of those 43,000 suicidal people will take some other citizens with them.
Let's not assume like we know this for sure. Also there are many reasons for this, it's not as simple as you make it sound.
On June 13 2016 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its hilarious watching the "lock'em up and throw away the key" law and order gang try to say that the death penalty deters suicides...
On June 13 2016 05:42 mahrgell wrote:
On June 13 2016 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: gay men can't donate blood in Florida? lolz.
i'm sure a mass shooting like this taxes the blood supply.
gays are not allowed to donate blood in many countries. Same as you are not allowed to donate blood in Germany, if you had extended stays in Great Britain during the 80s, you had sex with prostitutes or you had a recent vacation in certain tropical regions. It is just about risk groups...
the blood supply in Canada is safer than in the US and gay men can donate blood in Canada and have been able to do so for 20 years. its a BS policy.
Gay men cannot donate blood in Canada only if they havent had sex in the last 5 years with no history of HIV with testing. Its not quite so simple as they can in Canada btw
your double negatives make it hard to understand what you are trying to say here. gay men who are HIV- can donate blood in Canada and the blood supply is safe. its ironic that on a day when Florida's blood supply must be under great strains that restrictive policies against gay men exacerbate the problem.
Lol! FYI 20% of all gay men have HIV in some stage. Less than 50% are aware of it. Because of blood testing policies, especially during emergencies and camps, you will end up wasting more blood than adding to the stock if blood borne pathogen positive risk populaton donate i.e batch testing for blood-borne pathogens. A single positive means discarding the batch of 10-20 bags tested,as per the procedure. Notice its not an antigay sentiment because women are allowed to donate irrespective of whether theyre lesbian or straight.
TL,DR: Stop talking out of your ass when its based in hard science. Hate it when people confuse science for stigma.
Source: Am a doctor. Worked for a year+ in blood banks.
Saying that Muslims are dangerous and they're terrorists is incredibly stupid, but at the same time you can't deny that they do tend to have funky views on sexual freedom that just flat out don't mesh with those in the West. Sure it doesn't lead to terrorism normally but holy shit it's annoying enough on its own.
On June 13 2016 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its hilarious watching the "lock'em up and throw away the key" law and order gang try to say that the death penalty deters suicides...
On June 13 2016 05:42 mahrgell wrote:
On June 13 2016 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: gay men can't donate blood in Florida? lolz.
i'm sure a mass shooting like this taxes the blood supply.
gays are not allowed to donate blood in many countries. Same as you are not allowed to donate blood in Germany, if you had extended stays in Great Britain during the 80s, you had sex with prostitutes or you had a recent vacation in certain tropical regions. It is just about risk groups...
the blood supply in Canada is safer than in the US and gay men can donate blood in Canada and have been able to do so for 20 years. its a BS policy.
Gay men cannot donate blood in Canada only if they havent had sex in the last 5 years with no history of HIV with testing. Its not quite so simple as they can in Canada btw
your double negatives make it hard to understand what you are trying to say here. gay men who are HIV- can donate blood in Canada and the blood supply is safe. its ironic that on a day when Florida's blood supply must be under great strains that restrictive policies against gay men exacerbate the problem.
The reason gay men cant donate is because of HIV and Hepatitis. Its transimtted much more easily through anal sex than any other way.
Gay men tend to have more anal sex than others and the incidence of hiv/hep is highest in the gay population. In addition the fact that these diseases dont always appear on tests immediately means there are rules.
If youve had anal sex in the past 5 years and are a gay man you cannot donate blood in canada.
On June 13 2016 06:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: drop the muslim angle, the isis angle, the afghanistan angle, the gay hate angle.
1st and foremost this is a suicide. when a nation manufactures suicidal citizens some of those citizens will inevitably take some people with them. Once they've decided to commit suicide you no longer have any leverage. you can not punish the dead.
no amount of newly built jails, minimum sentences, law enforcement budget increases, military budget increases, restriction of individual rights, changes in gun laws will prevent someone from committing suicide
the only hope of curtailing the 43,000 suicides is to ask what brought these 43,000 people to a suicidal mindset. every one of these people, who is not seriously ill and just wants out of their misery, is dangerous as fuck.
some of those 43,000 suicidal people will take some other citizens with them.
It's rather insulting to say that it was first and foremost a suicide. 50+ people died and it's firstly a suicide? It's first and foremost a mass murder.
You have a good point that you can't leverage someone who's suicidal. (well...you can, but anyway). However there's 43k people committing suicide and who wouldn't dream of harming anyone else. Why is he different? Maybe the fact that the last thing this guy wanted to do before ending his life was murder every gay person he could? Don't you think his cultural/religious whatever background that made him consider that this is the best way to end his life should be scrutinised?
Also you're assuming that the country somehow failed every single one of those people who committed suicide. There are plenty of successful people who had anything you could want and blew their brains out. The human species is imperfect, we produce psychopaths and paedophiles and depressed people and these are probably just be genetic things that have nothing to do with "oh he lost his job so he's depressed", although I guess the game is still open for how much depression can be "cured". I think it's ridiculous to say that "oh it's societies fault he was depressed" because it ignores his personal choices and it ignores the fact that it might just be something he was born with.
So we've established there are a ton of factors beyond our control to some extent (I mean we can treat depression to some extent but it's nothing close to a cure), that could cause people to kill themselves regardless of what society does. Doesn't it then make more sense to examine what caused him to try to eliminate as many gay people as possible instead of spouting some bullshit like "it's societies fault we made him angry nobody else is to blame". Did you think he was born a homophobe, or destined to be one? There could be many more like him with the same feelings and we're going to get some of them being depressed suicidal and this will happen again as long as those feelings exist and you can just buy a gun and murder as many people as you like until the cops show up.
The suicide might have happened whatever we did. If he hadn't thought that he had divine approval to murder as many homosexuals as he could this wouldn't happen. If the best he could get his hands on was a kitchen knife then a couple of buff and fabulous gay dudes could have restrained him and with luck the worse that would happen is a few ER admittance for stab wounds.
It takes a unique kind of north american to take both the left wing and right wing stance to say there's no problem with his cultural and religious background and also that there's absolutely no problem with a complete lack of gun control.
On June 13 2016 05:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its hilarious watching the "lock'em up and throw away the key" law and order gang try to say that the death penalty deters suicides...
On June 13 2016 05:42 mahrgell wrote:
On June 13 2016 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: gay men can't donate blood in Florida? lolz.
i'm sure a mass shooting like this taxes the blood supply.
gays are not allowed to donate blood in many countries. Same as you are not allowed to donate blood in Germany, if you had extended stays in Great Britain during the 80s, you had sex with prostitutes or you had a recent vacation in certain tropical regions. It is just about risk groups...
the blood supply in Canada is safer than in the US and gay men can donate blood in Canada and have been able to do so for 20 years. its a BS policy.
Gay men cannot donate blood in Canada only if they havent had sex in the last 5 years with no history of HIV with testing. Its not quite so simple as they can in Canada btw
your double negatives make it hard to understand what you are trying to say here. gay men who are HIV- can donate blood in Canada and the blood supply is safe. its ironic that on a day when Florida's blood supply must be under great strains that restrictive policies against gay men exacerbate the problem.
If youve had anal sex in the past 5 years and are a gay man you cannot donate blood in canada.
Lesbians can do whatever they want.
I believe it's just specifically anal sex with a man tho!
On June 13 2016 07:04 DickMcFanny wrote: Do you think we should just have a Muslim terrorism megathread?
How often do they occur that you think that's a good idea for any reason other than to make a snarky post about how bad the muslims are?
The only terrorist organisation we really know about that's hitting the west is a muslim one, doesn't make every other muslim then responsible for their actions.
I realize I may sound contradictory both "attacking" and "defending" muslims in consecutive posts, but part of why politics is such bullshit is the stupid partisan nonsense. Clearly not all terrorists come because of muslim backgrounds and pretty clearly the muslim religion and cultures have some fucked up beliefs. There's a middleground here we should be trying to reach instead of refusing to budge just to let the "other side" gain an inch on you.
It has to do with the prevalence of HIV in the gay men in the US not due to anal sex being exclusive to gay men. I wanna say that in some communities of color (Black males in Baltimore) the prevalence of HIV is around 50%.
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