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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 12 2015 19:49 GMT
#61
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 12 2015 19:49 GMT
#62
I hope it goes well but YT's video player isn't the best. If they had the developers of PornHub starting a streaming service I'd be more hopeful.
Wat
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
June 12 2015 19:50 GMT
#63
On June 13 2015 04:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 04:36 Cyro wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:44 johnhopfensperger wrote:
They should use HEVC. Then streamers could all go 1080p 60fps.


Sure, but do you know how hard it is to CPU-encode h265 efficiently?

Who has the spare CPU power to stream at 1080p60 right now? Take that and increase load by like 5-15x. I don't have any benchmarks but it's a pretty drastic change in CPU requirements

h265 support is extremely important, but it would be used only by a niche of people if it was added today.


Decoding is pretty CPU heavy right now too. HEVC is still a couple years away from widespread use tbh


Not decodeable by GPU? I heard that Carrizo apu's (even on low end laptops etc) can decode it fine
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 19:53:47
June 12 2015 19:53 GMT
#64
On June 13 2015 04:50 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 04:43 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On June 13 2015 04:36 Cyro wrote:
On June 13 2015 03:44 johnhopfensperger wrote:
They should use HEVC. Then streamers could all go 1080p 60fps.


Sure, but do you know how hard it is to CPU-encode h265 efficiently?

Who has the spare CPU power to stream at 1080p60 right now? Take that and increase load by like 5-15x. I don't have any benchmarks but it's a pretty drastic change in CPU requirements

h265 support is extremely important, but it would be used only by a niche of people if it was added today.


Decoding is pretty CPU heavy right now too. HEVC is still a couple years away from widespread use tbh


Not decodeable by GPU? I heard that Carrizo apu's (even on low end laptops etc) can decode it fine

Yes, some hardware decoding is available, but it's not exactly widespread. The real starting point for HEVC adoption is when hardware decoding for smartphones/tablets becomes the standard, as mobile drives pretty much everything internet related these days. That's still a ways off.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 12 2015 20:03 GMT
#65
And here I was hoping youtube was sponsoring a team :D
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 20:23:54
June 12 2015 20:23 GMT
#66
On June 13 2015 04:49 plasmidghost wrote:
I want Twitch to succeed because of its dank emotes

Does twitch have copyright over emotes or can YT just steal the Kappa, PogChamp, etc...

lol
...
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
June 12 2015 20:36 GMT
#67
Should be good news. Not so much because I think YouTube will provide a good service, but because competition is always a good thing. Twitch has been awful for quite a while now and has been steadily getting worse. But with YouTube out to get 'em, maybe they'll start to actually try and improve their service.
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
June 12 2015 20:38 GMT
#68
On June 13 2015 05:23 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 04:49 plasmidghost wrote:
I want Twitch to succeed because of its dank emotes

Does twitch have copyright over emotes or can YT just steal the Kappa, PogChamp, etc...

lol

Maybe they'll make suspiciously similar dank emotes.
Cappa, ElleChortle, 5Skull
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 12 2015 20:39 GMT
#69
thank you based gaR
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
June 12 2015 21:18 GMT
#70
Good, Twitch is so laggy shit. Twitch got better about year ago but it still laggy.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
June 12 2015 21:21 GMT
#71
The only two changes that there seems to be from the current existing already available and live for at least like a year now, is that your live channel will have a set URL, rather than a different URL per streaming even, and you don't have to schedule it ahead of time, and that's per the Youtube FAQ on it on their website.

Given that you can already watch gaming streams live on Youtube, it will be interesting to see what else changes, if anything.
All of the Riot streams for LoL have been on Twitch for ages, although they only go up to 720p and 30fps, for example, but I don't know if this is a Riot thing or a Youtube thing.
The fact that they are already on Youtube and have been for a long time, and all VODs are on Youtube as well, they still only get about a quarter of the viewers of the live stream that Twitch gets, so it's not a foregone conclusion that people will watch Youtube instead of Twitch, given that it doesn't happen with LoL.
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 21:57:14
June 12 2015 21:56 GMT
#72
On June 13 2015 06:21 Lonyo wrote:
The only two changes that there seems to be from the current existing already available and live for at least like a year now, is that your live channel will have a set URL, rather than a different URL per streaming even, and you don't have to schedule it ahead of time, and that's per the Youtube FAQ on it on their website.

Given that you can already watch gaming streams live on Youtube, it will be interesting to see what else changes, if anything.
All of the Riot streams for LoL have been on Twitch for ages, although they only go up to 720p and 30fps, for example, but I don't know if this is a Riot thing or a Youtube thing.
The fact that they are already on Youtube and have been for a long time, and all VODs are on Youtube as well, they still only get about a quarter of the viewers of the live stream that Twitch gets, so it's not a foregone conclusion that people will watch Youtube instead of Twitch, given that it doesn't happen with LoL.

The biggest reason, imo, that YouTube stream viewership has been so low is because the usability has been crap. Having a dedicated URL, and no longer having to schedule an event to go live will go a long way towards addressing those issues. If they pair that with a nice way to browse games/streams, they will be a real competitor. Their player and distribution platform is already leaps and bounds ahead of Twitch, and they obviously have a better VOD system.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 21:59:34
June 12 2015 21:58 GMT
#73
omg i love google... hiding bits inside the heart makes me giddy ^.^

Edit: also BW nugget
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 22:01:11
June 12 2015 21:59 GMT
#74
I love the fact that clicking every triangle in that heart piece gives you a game reference, there is even a Starcraft one!

On June 13 2015 06:58 wo1fwood wrote:
omg i love google... hiding bits inside the heart makes me giddy ^.^

Edit: also BW nugget

It's SC2's Terran building sound, not BW.
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Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
June 12 2015 22:03 GMT
#75
I have literally no reason to switch so... nah.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 22:08:16
June 12 2015 22:07 GMT
#76
On June 13 2015 06:56 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 06:21 Lonyo wrote:
The only two changes that there seems to be from the current existing already available and live for at least like a year now, is that your live channel will have a set URL, rather than a different URL per streaming even, and you don't have to schedule it ahead of time, and that's per the Youtube FAQ on it on their website.

Given that you can already watch gaming streams live on Youtube, it will be interesting to see what else changes, if anything.
All of the Riot streams for LoL have been on Twitch for ages, although they only go up to 720p and 30fps, for example, but I don't know if this is a Riot thing or a Youtube thing.
The fact that they are already on Youtube and have been for a long time, and all VODs are on Youtube as well, they still only get about a quarter of the viewers of the live stream that Twitch gets, so it's not a foregone conclusion that people will watch Youtube instead of Twitch, given that it doesn't happen with LoL.

The biggest reason, imo, that YouTube stream viewership has been so low is because the usability has been crap. Having a dedicated URL, and no longer having to schedule an event to go live will go a long way towards addressing those issues. If they pair that with a nice way to browse games/streams, they will be a real competitor. Their player and distribution platform is already leaps and bounds ahead of Twitch, and they obviously have a better VOD system.


LCS is scheduled every day that it's on anyway, so I don't see how that really impacts it.
The "dedicated" URL I use is the LCS Youtube user channel page, which on the Home tab has the live link when it's live anyway. Again, not sure how much difference that bit makes for anything. Maybe it reduces things by one click if you want to go to the specific stream page for the event, but the place to go to get the stream link never changes, but I can remember if you can watch the stream from within the user channel page anyway (but without spam chat, oh no).

For an even that has a regular schedule and runs at the same time every week, scheduled vs non scheduled streams should make zero difference, and there's a set channel to go to which is also the VOD channel. Despite that, it still doesn't get many viewers relative to the Twitch stream.
HOLY CHECK!
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 22:15:15
June 12 2015 22:14 GMT
#77
I think competition is great, but I really can't imagine YT dethroning Twitch. Streamers spend months and even years developing their viewer base, so the likelihood of people switching streaming platforms is very unlikely unless YT offers something to compensate this.

This move will probably be more attractive for unpopular Twitch streamers or newcomers. In this case it'll be a game of marketing between Twitch and YT in fighting to retain/obtain this specific group. Although I can imagine this being really interesting for popular YT gaming channels that may want to pick up streaming.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
June 12 2015 22:25 GMT
#78
twitch has a reason to get better!
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 12 2015 22:29 GMT
#79
I wonder if there's a copyright on the K to the appa face. Also youtubechat doesn't really sound as good as twitchchat. They'll need to work hard to get the audience to move.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
June 12 2015 22:37 GMT
#80
On June 13 2015 07:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I wonder if there's a copyright on the K to the appa face. Also youtubechat doesn't really sound as good as twitchchat. They'll need to work hard to get the audience to move.

Youtube chat at the moment is ASCII spam and other spam and I think some emotes. Just like Twitch but without the kappa.
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