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TJ31
630 Posts
Unless they'll somehow get a lot of big stramers and keep them (unlike azubu for example) and also provide quality service, people won't watch it. Oh and let's not forget how google have failed with their social network thing (google+). They pushed it for years, added to every other service they had and yet no one cares about it. | ||
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phar
United States1080 Posts
On June 13 2015 12:16 andoRRR wrote: Other than the shitty CPU usage Twitch generates I got no problem with them. No lags or anything. But YouTube is a real pain here in Germany. I can image something like if someone plays a song YouTube has no rights to in Germany there's a blackout and the "This content is not available in your country" screen. That would be the icing on the YouTube cake. And this US censorship thing (you cannot show one inch too much of you skin or use "dirty words") sucks, too, but this is actually a problem on both sites. Edit: One other thing that's better on Twitch (for me it is...): The popout Option. I always watch Twitch that way, because I like to surf additionally and the screen is bigger this way. Yea but to be fair, the content blocking is gonna come to Twitch when they start making more money and Amazon's lawyers start getting more paranoid. No large player can continue forever without doing so. Take it up with the RIAA, it is largely not the tech companies' fault. | ||
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HerbMon
United States473 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
I think they've been using very nasty way to monetize their service... The auto play shit I have to disable every single time I visit youtube. Why is that on by default? Why is the "keep consuming attitude" there? Not only that, but they mute videos that get reported for DMCA, why not remove it if it's useless? I don't like how youtube deals with copyright infringement in general, when you're this big, you just say "kay removed" at every report, instead of analyzing it, and it's completely unfair to the content creator. I think Twitch is doing a decent job, however every big site has the shittiest chat platform imaginable. There should be a social hierarchy on chat, and through time, or by given kudos - you gain a higher rank. This either opens up another chat (so a popular channel might have 3 chats, for different levels)... This way, you'll at least get to a level of IRC or Reddit chat, instead of the garbage every single youtube and twitch chat is. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
1) Most people will more than likely not jump over to stream on YT unless they are assured that a certain % of their hardcore fanbase will travel over there with them. They will more than likely only do 1) if 2) There is a huge increase in CPM rates for ads/an incentive to join the YT program. Unless there are really any benefits to joining YT, the community built around Twitch atm is so much deeper and networking with other streamers is a great way to grow your own channel as well. Hosting is huge, and also in the speed running community, where there are things like AGDQ/SGDQ, Twitch helps these things thrive and the chat experience is incredibly supportive/fun. I can't really see YT touching the whole community side of Twitch anytime in the foreseeable future and I certainly cannot see the chat experience in YT being anywhere near as great either, especially in light of how comments and so forth work on YT. Really, if YT wants to make this work I think they're essentially going to have to create a huge incentive to join their program. Whether that is unique contracts for partners, like they have with their current big partners like FPSRussia and so forth, or just insane CPM rates like they currently have for regular partnered channels. Either way, money is going to be the way to steal over streamers... with that said... google has a ton of money... >.> Just for comparison: I've made ~$500+ off ad revenue in the past few months via Youtube in comparison to the under $100 I've made off twitch since I ever became a partner (forever ago). The CPM rates on YT are insanely high and it's something Twitch is definitely going to have to consider raising if they want to compete/hold their streamers. Also, the analytics and so forth on twitch are much more developed. It really helps the partners figure out what they need to fix/market to etc. Some pictures: Youtube ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qt1jOEY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GhJ0d3l.jpg) (keep in mind, u can have all of these ad types active if you really want to be an asshole. So their rates would then stack. If you were huge on youtube and did this for say, 1 video or so, then the amount of money you'd make would be insane. ofc, at the risk of pissing people off, but perhaps a worthy risk for 1 video in a sea of many) And for comparison... Twitch Offers a $3.5 CPM rate or 50% of net advertisement revenue/50% of sub revenue. Some channels are different, depending on if they're premium like how huge streamers like Destiny and others have, but regardless, the base and even larger packages are much, much smaller in overall comparison. Half for a partner which has to have hundreds of concurrent vs a partnership on YT you can get just by filling out some forms and monetizing your videos yourself.... Twitch has gotta make tha moves  (to the guy earlier in the thread, no, CPM has never gone down on twitch. As far as I recall it has only been bumped up once though from ~2 to the 3.5 now I believe) | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On June 13 2015 17:08 -Kyo- wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well, as a partnered twitch streamer (without very many viewers, hueh) I think there are a couple important thing people need to realize from a streamer perspective. 1) Most people will more than likely not jump over to stream on YT unless they are assured that a certain % of their hardcore fanbase will travel over there with them. They will more than likely only do 1) if 2) There is a huge increase in CPM rates for ads/an incentive to join the YT program. Unless there are really any benefits to joining YT, the community built around Twitch atm is so much deeper and networking with other streamers is a great way to grow your own channel as well. Hosting is huge, and also in the speed running community, where there are things like AGDQ/SGDQ, Twitch helps these things thrive and the chat experience is incredibly supportive/fun. I can't really see YT touching the whole community side of Twitch anytime in the foreseeable future and I certainly cannot see the chat experience in YT being anywhere near as great either, especially in light of how comments and so forth work on YT. Really, if YT wants to make this work I think they're essentially going to have to create a huge incentive to join their program. Whether that is unique contracts for partners, like they have with their current big partners like FPSRussia and so forth, or just insane CPM rates like they currently have for regular partnered channels. Either way, money is going to be the way to steal over streamers... with that said... google has a ton of money... >.> Just for comparison: I've made ~$500+ off ad revenue in the past few months via Youtube in comparison to the under $100 I've made off twitch since I ever became a partner (forever ago). The CPM rates on YT are insanely high and it's something Twitch is definitely going to have to consider raising if they want to compete/hold their streamers. Also, the analytics and so forth on twitch are much more developed. It really helps the partners figure out what they need to fix/market to etc. Some pictures: Youtube (keep in mind, u can have all of these ad types active if you really want to be an asshole. So their rates would then stack. If you were huge on youtube and did this for say, 1 video or so, then the amount of money you'd make would be insane. ofc, at the risk of pissing people off, but perhaps a worthy risk for 1 video in a sea of many) And for comparison... Twitch Offers a $3.5 CPM rate or 50% of net advertisement revenue/50% of sub revenue. Some channels are different, depending on if they're premium like how huge streamers like Destiny and others have, but regardless, the base and even larger packages are much, much smaller in overall comparison. Half for a partner which has to have hundreds of concurrent vs a partnership on YT you can get just by filling out some forms and monetizing your videos yourself.... Twitch has gotta make tha moves (to the guy earlier in the thread, no, CPM has never gone down on twitch. As far as I recall it has only been bumped up once though from ~2 to the 3.5 now I believe) Thanks for the informative post, appreciated  I think the complaint that came about twitch is that they didn't have enough partners, so a lot of people didn't receive ads, because there weren't enough advertisers. And when an advertiser gives specific criteria as to who should see the ad, you can see why some wont get any. I think people call it "fill rates" or whatever. That, and I would never watch twitch without Adblock, playing an ad on a stream upon arrive is so immoral to me. And many people use adblock too. I still ocassionally get ads on YT even though I have adblock on though. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On June 13 2015 04:06 GogoKodo wrote: http://youtube-global.blogspot.ca/2015/06/a-youtube-built-for-gamers.html "YouTube Gaming will be available this summer, starting in the U.S. and U.K." That kind of sucks. There are a lot of streamers in other countries with a good amount of viewers. I think it might be because English is the main language on Internet and they can offer better contracts with a better add filling than Twitch. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On June 13 2015 18:18 Krogan wrote: Hard to get excited by this with how bad Youtube is with takedowns etc. tbh, it's only a matter of time before Twitch has to be the same way. The problem is not YouTube, it's shitlords like the RIAA. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On June 13 2015 17:08 -Kyo- wrote: [...}and also in the speed running community, where there are things like AGDQ/SGDQ, Twitch helps these things thrive and the chat experience is incredibly supportive/fun. Those were on ustream before and switched to Justin.tv eventually. So if Youtube provides proper options, the possibility of a switch is there. | ||
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
On June 13 2015 17:21 Aeromi wrote: I think it might be because English is the main language on Internet and they can offer better contracts with a better add filling than Twitch. What? because of language ? ^^ no no no well a bit yes but no :p Laws, darling. USA and UK share treaties and have a common view on how should work copyright. SO YTG can set up things without the fear of legal bumps. Especially if your governement has been pushing around for years in order to get TTIP signed:p ps: but it's possible that youtube have no one in order to translate his apps.it's just seems weird^^ | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
I agree that the VoD system on twitch is crap, but everything else is stellar for me and has worked extremely well for me (I've had no issue with lag for a very long time). | ||
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Corgi
United States408 Posts
Video Reddit styled youtube except its in video form | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Google tools always come with Devkits, API and so much more ! The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming ! time has come to advance ! Also concurrence is the one thing that leads to innovation so twitch could be getting better too. Only thing i really hope is that google sponsors some tournaments now. | ||
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BlacKcuD
Germany107 Posts
I have been a happy GSL customer with yearly premium+ tickets for since this stuff existed, but I haven't bought one for 2015 because since 2013(?) they use Twitch as their primary channel and it just s*cks, especially for VODs. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
Does someone know if Azubu use html5 or adobe? | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On June 13 2015 20:18 BlacKcuD wrote: Probably the only thing why twitch has been so dominant throughout 2014/15 is because of the lack of competition. Yes, sure there is already YT streaming and afreecat and all these, but honestly: they are of even worse quality than Twitch, because they only tried to immitate Twitch, rather than make a good product themselves. What the hell are you talking about? Afreeca "and all these" have been around for longer than Justin.tv/Twitch. Guess where Twitch copied a lot of their features from? Yep, other streaming services. Hosting someone? Well, it's a feature from NicoNico which got slightly modified. | ||
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