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On June 13 2015 21:00 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 20:18 BlacKcuD wrote:
Probably the only thing why twitch has been so dominant throughout 2014/15 is because of the lack of competition. Yes, sure there is already YT streaming and afreecat and all these, but honestly: they are of even worse quality than Twitch, because they only tried to immitate Twitch, rather than make a good product themselves. What the hell are you talking about? Afreeca "and all these" have been around for longer than Justin.tv/Twitch. Guess where Twitch copied a lot of their features from? Yep, other streaming services. Hosting someone? Well, it's a feature from NicoNico which got slightly modified.
Twitch is the first big streaming service in NA, so twitch must the only streaming service in the world no?
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inb4 YT is flooded with more bobcam streams....
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Something I don't understand is how a lot of people are complaining that the tchat isn't as great on YT as it's on Twitch.
Are those people trolling or ?
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's...
IDC how you can regret something as Twitch's tchats...
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On June 13 2015 22:02 SkrollK wrote:
Something I don't understand is how a lot of people are complaining that the tchat isn't as great on YT as it's on Twitch.
Are those people trolling or ?
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's...
IDC how you can regret something as Twitch's tchats...
Twitch chat (I am not talking about the big tournament stream's chat) is 50% of the reason why I enjoy watching on twitch so much.
To each is own.
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On June 13 2015 22:02 SkrollK wrote:
Something I don't understand is how a lot of people are complaining that the tchat isn't as great on YT as it's on Twitch.
Are those people trolling or ?
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's...
IDC how you can regret something as Twitch's tchats...
classic troll loop, :p
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Great news. Looking forward to it 
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On June 13 2015 21:40 Cazimirbzh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:00 Lucumo wrote:On June 13 2015 20:18 BlacKcuD wrote:
Probably the only thing why twitch has been so dominant throughout 2014/15 is because of the lack of competition. Yes, sure there is already YT streaming and afreecat and all these, but honestly: they are of even worse quality than Twitch, because they only tried to immitate Twitch, rather than make a good product themselves. What the hell are you talking about? Afreeca "and all these" have been around for longer than Justin.tv/Twitch. Guess where Twitch copied a lot of their features from? Yep, other streaming services. Hosting someone? Well, it's a feature from NicoNico which got slightly modified. Twitch is the first big streaming service in NA, so twitch must the only streaming service in the world no?
That would make sense but he claims he is from Germany, so...
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Hey if it makes twitch roll out HTML5 for everyone that's good. Flashplayer needs to die.
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The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming !
Anyone can do VR streaming. AFAIK you can even do it right now on twitch, you just need to record the output and then somebody else with a VR headset on the other side of the stream can view that and it'll look the same for them.
120fps? Twitch supported for ages, youtube only just added support for >30fps - but only at specific resolutions.
As for other stuff, i use Hitbox right now. It's usually a ~3-6 second delay on Hitbox for me + friends, while Twitch is literally like 20 seconds even with the new option i hear. Hitbox doesn't have the same rules for stream settings that you need to have. If youtube is even close to competitive with that without taking away features, i'l be happy
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On June 14 2015 04:23 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming ! Anyone can do VR streaming. AFAIK you can even do it right now on twitch, you just need to record the output and then somebody else with a VR headset on the other side of the stream can view that and it'll look the same for them. 120fps? Twitch supported for ages, youtube only just added support for >30fps - but only at specific resolutions. As for other stuff, i use Hitbox right now. It's usually a ~3-6 second delay on Hitbox for me + friends, while Twitch is literally like 20 seconds even with the new option i hear. Hitbox doesn't have the same rules for stream settings that you need to have. If youtube is even close to competitive with that without taking away features, i'l be happy
Yeah, because Flash player's high FPS support is soooooo good lol. They need to roll out an HTML5 player already.
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On June 14 2015 04:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:23 Cyro wrote:The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming ! Anyone can do VR streaming. AFAIK you can even do it right now on twitch, you just need to record the output and then somebody else with a VR headset on the other side of the stream can view that and it'll look the same for them. 120fps? Twitch supported for ages, youtube only just added support for >30fps - but only at specific resolutions. As for other stuff, i use Hitbox right now. It's usually a ~3-6 second delay on Hitbox for me + friends, while Twitch is literally like 20 seconds even with the new option i hear. Hitbox doesn't have the same rules for stream settings that you need to have. If youtube is even close to competitive with that without taking away features, i'l be happy Yeah, because Flash player's high FPS support is soooooo good lol. They need to roll out an HTML5 player already.
It actually works fine for me @120fps with chrome flash player - firefox i could never find a workable solution for. Stuttered like a bitch even @480p30.
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On June 14 2015 05:19 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 14 2015 04:23 Cyro wrote:The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming ! Anyone can do VR streaming. AFAIK you can even do it right now on twitch, you just need to record the output and then somebody else with a VR headset on the other side of the stream can view that and it'll look the same for them. 120fps? Twitch supported for ages, youtube only just added support for >30fps - but only at specific resolutions. As for other stuff, i use Hitbox right now. It's usually a ~3-6 second delay on Hitbox for me + friends, while Twitch is literally like 20 seconds even with the new option i hear. Hitbox doesn't have the same rules for stream settings that you need to have. If youtube is even close to competitive with that without taking away features, i'l be happy Yeah, because Flash player's high FPS support is soooooo good lol. They need to roll out an HTML5 player already. It actually works fine for me @120fps with chrome flash player - firefox i could never find a workable solution for. Stuttered like a bitch even @480p30.
Sure, it works, but it lags frames all over the place. Even at 60fps, Flash player loses frames at 720p.
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On June 14 2015 05:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:19 Cyro wrote:On June 14 2015 04:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 14 2015 04:23 Cyro wrote:The viewing experience and everything around will be so much better than twitch :D also this allows virtual reality streaming, 3D streaming, 120 fps streaming, interactive streaming ! Anyone can do VR streaming. AFAIK you can even do it right now on twitch, you just need to record the output and then somebody else with a VR headset on the other side of the stream can view that and it'll look the same for them. 120fps? Twitch supported for ages, youtube only just added support for >30fps - but only at specific resolutions. As for other stuff, i use Hitbox right now. It's usually a ~3-6 second delay on Hitbox for me + friends, while Twitch is literally like 20 seconds even with the new option i hear. Hitbox doesn't have the same rules for stream settings that you need to have. If youtube is even close to competitive with that without taking away features, i'l be happy Yeah, because Flash player's high FPS support is soooooo good lol. They need to roll out an HTML5 player already. It actually works fine for me @120fps with chrome flash player - firefox i could never find a workable solution for. Stuttered like a bitch even @480p30. Sure, it works, but it lags frames all over the place. Even at 60fps, Flash player loses frames at 720p.
I grabbed a 720p60 stream with chrome flash player on twitch to test for you, it's dropping less than 0.01% of frames. HTML5 player on youtube @1080p60 dropped 0 in several minutes though
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On June 13 2015 22:02 SkrollK wrote:
Something I don't understand is how a lot of people are complaining that the tchat isn't as great on YT as it's on Twitch.
Are those people trolling or ?
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's...
IDC how you can regret something as Twitch's tchats...
Not really. I've watched plenty of non-gaming related streams from Youtube and the chats are pretty civil. Twitch chat is terrible, though that might just be a symptom of gaming culture in general.
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I like watching some streams due to how troll the twitch chats can be. Why would you read a streaming chat for actual "substance"? Often there is just playful interaction between the viewers and the streamer. I'd imagine if YT became as popular for gaming streams as Twitch, then the chat experience would be about the same (dependent on the type of streamer).
But it'll definitely be interesting to see how this goes. I've never had much trouble using YT for watching ProLeague in the past, so we shall see!
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On June 13 2015 22:07 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:02 SkrollK wrote:
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's... Twitch chat (I am not talking about the big tournament stream's chat) is 50% of the reason why I enjoy watching on twitch so much. To each is own.
Just because you enjoy it, it doesn't make what SkrollK said wrong in any way or form.
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On June 14 2015 08:52 Sejanus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:07 Roggay wrote:On June 13 2015 22:02 SkrollK wrote:
All Internet tchat are RETARDED, expecially Twitch's... Twitch chat (I am not talking about the big tournament stream's chat) is 50% of the reason why I enjoy watching on twitch so much. To each is own. Just because you enjoy it, it doesn't make what SkrollK said wrong in any way or form.
He asked if we are trolling.
No we are not. I do enjoy the chat. Yes the chat can be pretty stupid at time, but it does not mean that it is not enjoyable most of the time.
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It isn't enjoyable to most people most of the time. That's something "esports" will need to understand if they want to be anything more than a niche.
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so the few times I've watched League of Legends events, I sometimes watched them on Youtube stream
Advantages of youtube:
+ instead of not seeing anything due to insufficient bandwidth/buffering, it automatically lowers the quality until the buffering has cought up for better quality
+ you used to be able to go back in time if you missed something or to rewatch it, just like a VOD
Disadvantages:
- Chat
- the feature mentioned above to go back in time and not just watch live does not work for me anymore for quite some time now
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On June 14 2015 19:03 litlnoobs wrote:
It isn't enjoyable to most people most of the time. That's something "esports" will need to understand if they want to be anything more than a niche.
I am quite sure you have done extensive research on the matter to back up the claim that it is not enjoyable for most people most of the time. In the meant time, chat activity on the whole seems to pretty much contradict it. While most conversations might not have real substance or any sort of logical or civil discussions going on, chats are highly active. Someone who doesn't enjoy a chat, does not converse in it, which means looking at the general activity, you can say that a lot (impossible to be sure how many) do enjoy the chat.
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