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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-18 00:12:07
December 18 2024 00:11 GMT
#1941
Why would we be one state?
Westcanadia
Midwestcanadia
Torontonia
Frenchcanadia
Easternseaboardcanadia

Trump wouldn't be laughing so much then with that many states joining, upsetting the Senate and Electoral balance between Republicans and Democrats. Rigged! Rigged he would cry and then try and overthrow another election.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
December 18 2024 05:49 GMT
#1942
The most taxed jurisdiction in North America ... the People's Republic of British Columbia ... elected a Conservative MP last night. Tamara Jansen takes Cloverdale-Langley City.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/federal-byelection-cloverdale-langley-city-1.7409872
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27177 Posts
December 18 2024 06:48 GMT
#1943
On December 17 2024 22:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most people in Mississauga, Toronto, the GTA etc already have options outside the country.


Posts like this are in such bad faith. Your youtube algorithm must be hideous.
ModeratorGodfather
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-18 07:14:14
December 18 2024 07:01 GMT
#1944
On December 18 2024 15:48 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2024 22:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most people in Mississauga, Toronto, the GTA etc already have options outside the country.

Posts like this are in such bad faith. Your youtube algorithm must be hideous.

how often you been to Toronto?

49% of the Toronto metropolitan area's population was born outside of Canada. Mississauga's population is falling. Mississauga is a city filled with economic immigrants. When the economy goes bad... they leave.
so umm , ya.

of the other 51% ... its pretty much guaranteed that a substantial % in that 51% have options outside Canada. You'd know this if you spent any time in the Greater Toronto Area.

So, I'd say it is an accurate post. It is not a bad faith post. Toronto is declining fast.

Toronto's child poverty rate jumped from 16.8 per cent to 25.3 per cent between 2020 and 2022. I can't blame any one for wanting out of Toronto.
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/1-in-10-torontonians-now-using-food-bank-amid-skyrocketing-costs-stagnate-wages-report-1.6644180
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27177 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-18 07:27:09
December 18 2024 07:25 GMT
#1945
Well since I was born there (KWCG), as was my father, and half my family lives there, which I visit every year, maybe you should stop posting things like "You'd know this if you spent any time in the Greater Toronto Area."

The rest of your posts are just dog whistle bullshit.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
December 18 2024 07:28 GMT
#1946
No, I think I've chronicled the decline of the city and the province accurately.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27177 Posts
December 18 2024 07:33 GMT
#1947
No, you haven't. You lack nuance and hide behind poorly cited percentages and numbers that don't show the human story.

But you aren't here for understanding, you are here to score points. Which is why all your posts are disingenuous. Which is why you are not well received.

I wonder what it is you actually get out of this. Maybe you would be better off spending your time elsewhere.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-18 07:37:38
December 18 2024 07:35 GMT
#1948
On December 18 2024 16:33 Manifesto7 wrote:
No, you haven't. You lack nuance and hide behind poorly cited percentages and numbers that don't show the human story.
But you aren't here for understanding, you are here to score points. Which is why all your posts are disingenuous. Which is why you are not well received.
I wonder what it is you actually get out of this. Maybe you would be better off spending your time elsewhere.

is this a personal attack or a discussion about politics, leadership and politicians?

i provided the human story. Ontario's leadership is not as smart as it was decades ago. People like Bob Rae, Mike Harris, Mel Lastman and Hazel Mccallion are far smarter than Doug Ford, Olivia Chow and Carolyn Parrish.
On December 18 2024 16:33 Manifesto7 wrote:
No, you haven't. You lack nuance and hide behind poorly cited percentages and numbers that don't show the human story.

If you want to add context to the skyrocketing child poverty rates in Toronto.. go for it.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4446 Posts
December 18 2024 07:37 GMT
#1949
Canada, Australia and the UK after Covid went back to just importing huge numbers of people to keep nominal GDP increasing.Returns have been diminishing with record high immigration and anemic nominal GDP growth, not to mention limited housing , skyrocketing housing and rent prices and strain on healthcare and infrastructure due to the record breaking population increases.Surprising that Trudeau has been in almost 10 years, we've had 4 in that time and will be 5 next year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-18 07:56:26
December 18 2024 07:43 GMT
#1950
On December 18 2024 16:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Canada, Australia and the UK after Covid went back to just importing huge numbers of people to keep nominal GDP increasing.Returns have been diminishing with record high immigration and anemic nominal GDP growth, not to mention limited housing , skyrocketing housing and rent prices and strain on healthcare and infrastructure due to the record breaking population increases.Surprising that Trudeau has been in almost 10 years, we've had 4 in that time and will be 5 next year.

the problem particular to Ontario, Canada is that hydro rates skyrocketed after 2006. you could rent an apartment and they did not even charge for hydro in 2006. super low cost hydro is what drove Ontario's manufacturing sector. That is all gone now. Ontario was the economic engine of Canada. Ontario routinely took jobs away from every US state it bordered. That is no longer the case. Now the jobs are leaving Ontario.

So relative to the developed world including Australia and the UK... Canada is getting crushed.
https://financialpost.com/news/canada-standard-of-living-falling-behind
On December 18 2024 16:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Surprising that Trudeau has been in almost 10 years, we've had 4 in that time and will be 5 next year.

Trudeau is a big reason I left. He has been really bad. Additionally, I do not see any leaders within Canada's major parties who can pull off the kinds of stuff Pierre Elliot Trudeau and Jean Chretien pulled off... in decades past. Those guys were geniuses. Singh , Poliveire, and Trudeau are not nearly as smart as leaders like Broadbent, Clark, Mulroney, Chretien etc etc. So I do not see a path where Canada can be great again.
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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2301 Posts
December 19 2024 00:56 GMT
#1951
On December 18 2024 09:11 Falling wrote:
Why would we be one state?
Westcanadia
Midwestcanadia
Torontonia
Frenchcanadia
Easternseaboardcanadia

Trump wouldn't be laughing so much then with that many states joining, upsetting the Senate and Electoral balance between Republicans and Democrats. Rigged! Rigged he would cry and then try and overthrow another election.

This cracked me up, if it is one big state he loses all the electoral college votes, and if it is 5 he wins maybe 1 sometimes. Hell Doug Ford is buddies with Walz.

As for the rest, I think if you are a fairly wealthy single guy the US looks appealing. Lower taxes and chance at higher wages. Then if you are a woman, not so much. And if you are thinking of having kids not so much, maybe if you are private school kind of wealthy, but the whole school shooting thing is pretty scary, you have the expense of pregnancy's and super shitty maternity. If you are not healthy it is basically a no go. I know 0 people looking to move to the US.


For JT, I think this was the final nail. My big question is where the Liberal votes go, Conservative or NDP. I would not at all be shocked by a Conservative gov with a NDP official opposition.
Amir9
Profile Joined December 2024
4 Posts
December 19 2024 05:59 GMT
#1952
--- Nuked ---
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-20 03:51:25
December 20 2024 03:49 GMT
#1953
I think we are actually looking closer to a BQ official opposition like in 93 than NDP unless disaffected Liberals really start breaking for Singh's NDP. That is if the Liberal stronghold in urban Quebec finally caves as that seems to be Trudeau's only remaining support.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-20 07:54:16
December 20 2024 06:04 GMT
#1954
On December 19 2024 09:56 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2024 09:11 Falling wrote:
Why would we be one state?
Westcanadia
Midwestcanadia
Torontonia
Frenchcanadia
Easternseaboardcanadia

Trump wouldn't be laughing so much then with that many states joining, upsetting the Senate and Electoral balance between Republicans and Democrats. Rigged! Rigged he would cry and then try and overthrow another election.

This cracked me up, if it is one big state he loses all the electoral college votes, and if it is 5 he wins maybe 1 sometimes. Hell Doug Ford is buddies with Walz.

As for the rest, I think if you are a fairly wealthy single guy the US looks appealing. Lower taxes and chance at higher wages. Then if you are a woman, not so much. And if you are thinking of having kids not so much, maybe if you are private school kind of wealthy, but the whole school shooting thing is pretty scary, you have the expense of pregnancy's and super shitty maternity. If you are not healthy it is basically a no go. I know 0 people looking to move to the US.


For JT, I think this was the final nail. My big question is where the Liberal votes go, Conservative or NDP. I would not at all be shocked by a Conservative gov with a NDP official opposition.

i know lots of women who prefer the USA. They're nurses. My #1 Canadian customer is a nursing org employing 5,000 nurses. They're getting crushed.

The level of violence nurses face in Canada is obscene.
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2022/09/03/ontario-nurses-facing-rising-rates-of-violence-from-patients-5775227/
Not only is the violence affecting them physically, but it has also had a serious impact on workers’ mental health. A 2020 study from the Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions found “disturbing rates of mental disorder symptom” with physical assault being the traumatic event reported most, affecting 92.7 per cent of nurses.

Canadian nurses are leaving the profession in droves.
https://financialpost.com/fp-work/young-nurses-leaving-working-condition

American nurses can build a satisfying career in medicine. It is very difficult for a Canadian nurses to do so

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2024-04-01-hrsa-survey-nursing-workforce
While overall job satisfaction remains relatively high at 80%, the share of nurses who expressed some degree of dissatisfaction with their primary nursing position nearly doubled between 2017 and 2022 to 19.9%.

This is why you'll never hear of an American nurse moving to Canada for "better working conditions". However, it is a frequent comment when a Canadian nurse moves south.

The Canadian healthcare system is falling apart. This is why Quebec has the option of paying for your own care.
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-senior-facing-years-long-wait-pays-thousands-for-private-hip-surgery-1.6348543
$21,500 for a hip replacement surgery.
The Ontario border is littered with private healthcare clinics and Canadians are their customers. Got any kind of orthopaedic issue at all in Ontario? You're going to Buffalo and paying for an MRI.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/1e4yobr/any_way_to_get_15year_mri_quicker/
guy needs his brain tumour checked and has to wait 1.5 years. tragicomedy.

if you think the link is BS or it is anecdotal and its not a problem then why are there MRI clinics lining the Ontario//New York border?

In 2024, the only way to get excellent healthcare in Canada or the USA is to have a good job with good extended medical benefits. If you're in Ontario or Quebec... a good savings account helps a lot as well so that you can pay out of pocket.
On December 19 2024 09:56 Billyboy wrote: And if you are thinking of having kids not so much, maybe if you are private school kind of wealthy, but the whole school shooting thing is pretty scary, you have the expense of pregnancy's and super shitty maternity.

According to Canadians... Canada is not a good place to raise a family.
https://angusreid.org/birth-rate-crisis-child-care/

birth rate is 1.26. Lowest in the history of the country.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2108812/canada-lowest-ever-fertility-rate

"Canada has now joined the group of 'lowest-low' fertility countries, including South Korea, Spain, Italy and Japan, with 1.3 children per woman or less,"

A record low birth rate combined with widening the eligibility for medical assistance in dying. Interesting times!
https://www.thestar.com/news/investigations/surge-in-medically-assisted-deaths-under-canada-s-maid-program-outpaces-every-other-country/article_29028f96-bc6b-11ee-8f67-03bf29ac7d34.html
"Surge In Medically Assisted Deaths Under Canada's Maid Program Outpaces Every Other Country"


Canada is dying ... both literally and figuratively.
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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2301 Posts
December 20 2024 15:26 GMT
#1955
On December 20 2024 12:49 Falling wrote:
I think we are actually looking closer to a BQ official opposition like in 93 than NDP unless disaffected Liberals really start breaking for Singh's NDP. That is if the Liberal stronghold in urban Quebec finally caves as that seems to be Trudeau's only remaining support.

That is a good point, I completely brain farted on the Bloc. They could end up the winner of this, even if the conservatives pick up the Liberal seats.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-22 01:22:29
December 22 2024 01:17 GMT
#1956
feels bad man...
https://nursesunions.ca/campaigns/violence/
Nearly half of nurses (46.4%) reported exposure to physical assault 11 or more times.

No wonder nurses under 35 are either leaving the profession or pursuing nursing outside of Canada.

Hey CBC, let's not discuss pegging, Chrystia Freeland, and Justin Trudeau in the same headline... ok? There are already enough rumours about why Justin's wife bolted.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-freeland-trudeau-successor-1.7417301
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3402 Posts
December 22 2024 02:13 GMT
#1957
I'm a bit confused with your posts. Where do you get all your statistics? You're trying to make the argument that Canada is bad for nursing and quote an article about violence against nursing and imply that America is somehow better. Guess what? It isn't

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nnu-report-shows-increased-rates-of-workplace-violence-experienced-by-nurses

8 of 10 nurses experiencing workplace violence. 6 of 10 RN considering leaving the field in the hospitals surveyed.

There are studies and studies concerning the increase in workplace violence in the USA

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9536186/

A few posts up, you mentioned the cost in Quebec of a private "hip replacement" surgery. Canada has free healthcare compared to the USA. There will be tradeoffs when such a system is used. Canada is known to be pretty effective in keeping healthcare costs per person down compared to other developed countries. One tradeoff is that procedures that are not deemed "necessary or lifesaving" have a delay. This is the norm in many countries with the same type of healthcare system.

I watched this video recently and thought it did a great job discussing the benefits & negatives of Canada's healthcare system. It is 10 years old but covers some of the stuff you mentioned.



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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-12-22 02:43:34
December 22 2024 02:26 GMT
#1958
On December 22 2024 11:13 Yaqoob wrote:
I'm a bit confused with your posts. Where do you get all your statistics? You're trying to make the argument that Canada is bad for nursing and quote an article about violence against nursing and imply that America is somehow better. Guess what?

If you want to build a career in healthcare then Canada is a poor place to do that. The USA is a better place for healthcare professionals. Do you know any one who works in the healthcare industry in Canada? Job satisfaction is low.

https://journals.plos.org/globalpublichealth/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgph.0002675

6.5 million Canadians do not have a family doctor.
https://www.cma.ca/healthcare-for-real/why-it-so-hard-find-family-doctor

It is a lousy experience for a healthcare professional to have to deal with a parade of people they've never met. This is what happens when such a large portion of Canadians do not have a family physician. Emerg is not a place for high job satisfaction. It is a warzone.

How many American nurses move to Canada or cross the border every day to work in Canada?
How many Canadian nurses move to the USA or cross the border daily to work in the USA?

All I hear on Ontario radio all day and all night is ads sponsored by the government about how Ontario is bringing in 87 bazillion new nurses. That's because Ontario can not keep nurses because the career is garbage in Canada.
https://financialpost.com/fp-work/young-nurses-leaving-working-conditions

Number of nurses leaving the profession before they turn 35 up sharply in recent years


For every 100 nurses trained in the country who started working in the field in 2022, there were 40 who left the profession before their 35th birthday, the report released on Sept. 25 reveals. This means that in a single decade, the proportion of young nurses abandoning the system has gone up 25 per cent from 2013.
Article content

Some of the most commonly cited concerns by these nurses were a lack of control over their work schedules. Their principal sources of workplace stress include mandatory overtime and a lack of shift flexibility.
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3402 Posts
December 22 2024 03:19 GMT
#1959
You didn't even reply to the fact that many nurses are leaving or considering leaving nursing in the USA. This is not a problem that is unique to Canada. Also,I do know many nurses who work in Toronto, Vancouver, and other parts of Canada.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17791 Posts
December 22 2024 03:54 GMT
#1960
On December 22 2024 12:19 Yaqoob wrote:
You didn't even reply to the fact that many nurses are leaving or considering leaving nursing in the USA. This is not a problem that is unique to Canada. Also,I do know many nurses who work in Toronto, Vancouver, and other parts of Canada.

i have 26 cousins. 8 are nurses.

Here is Canada's health care system in crisis.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/abbotsford-regional-hospital-overcrowding-doctors-1.7411043

This means that socialized medicine will not solve a Canadian patient's problems. Like Americans with their patch work system ... now every Canadian must be street wise and savvy to navigate the labyrinth the Canadian system has become.
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