EPTMy contribution is going to be buying less (Nothing) from the States where possible. I'm in Vancouver so I do a decent bit of cross border shopping (A couple thousand $'s a year). That's going to go to zero for the next few years.
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
My contribution is going to be buying less (Nothing) from the States where possible. I'm in Vancouver so I do a decent bit of cross border shopping (A couple thousand $'s a year). That's going to go to zero for the next few years. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
"you buy our oil and our gas at massive price discounts and not because we are nice Canadians, but because here at home we've made really dumb decisions to prevent us from exporting energy to any other countries". Trump knows Canada has painted itself into a corner. Trump knows Canada is holding a weak hand and he knows Canada must fold when he 3-Bets the pot. This is all well played by Trump, however, these were obvious moves. Its not like Trump is some master strategist. Trudeau made some really dumb decisions over the past 10 years. Trump is taking advantage of that. On February 04 2025 08:58 Lmui wrote: Congratulations Trump. You "won" the negotiation by getting something we already said we'd do in December. I don't see buying habits returning to being comfortable buying American goods any time soon. The tariffs are still hanging over our heads. I expect that government contracts with US will be cancelled/re-evaluated, and domestic suppliers preferred which will hurt as well. My contribution is going to be buying less (Nothing) from the States where possible. I'm in Vancouver so I do a decent bit of cross border shopping (A couple thousand $'s a year). That's going to go to zero for the next few years. Incorrect. Trudeau did not commit to 10,000 Border Personnel at that time. Also, there were other things Trudeau committed to that he did not outline in December. Trump made Trudeau look like a whiney unhinged emotional weirdo. That speech was terrible. "waahh ... waaah... The President of the most powerful nation on earth is about to make our GDP go down 4% .... waah .... wahhhh... i thought we were best pals... don't you remember the war of 1812 guys? Ken Taylor helped get out 2 hostages 150 years ago... wahh wahh.. ok Canadians... stop buying Orange Juice.. that'll show those mean Americans". Trudeau looked like an idiot. A man in his position can not afford to look ridiculous. Born in Quebec, raised in Montreal and Toronto.. and I have this to say: May God Bless America. Maybe 0.1% out of every human ever born has had a happier and easier life than I have had. Part of that is due to my parents and family. Outside of family influences ...it is all because of the US of by God "A". I will continue to buy American. If called upon: I will die defending the greatest nation on earth. This is not an emotional stance. It is a rational one. America handed me a very nice life on a silver platter. At age 37 Its the least I can offer America. May God Bless America. Canada's Declining Middle Class The 4 Nations Cup is coming up. Like the World Junior Hockey Tournament... I'll be cheering for the USA. Notice the 5000 unbought Hockey Canada donuts at your local Tim Hortons? Whenever I went to a Tim Hortons in Canada just before closing the most remaining donuts were always 15+ Hockey Canada donuts. Canadians are tired of watching their young men get their asses kicked. Its sad to see Canada's middle class erode and a big sign of that is a low # of good young hockey players. The USA is the #1 hockey power in the world because it has a massive thriving middle and upper middle class that Canada used to have during Mulroney's, Chretien's and even Harpers time in office. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway472 Posts
On February 04 2025 08:58 Lmui wrote: Congratulations Trump. You "won" the negotiation by getting something we already said we'd do in December. I don't see buying habits returning to being comfortable buying American goods any time soon. The tariffs are still hanging over our heads. I expect that government contracts with US will be cancelled/re-evaluated, and domestic suppliers preferred which will hurt as well. My contribution is going to be buying less (Nothing) from the States where possible. I'm in Vancouver so I do a decent bit of cross border shopping (A couple thousand $'s a year). That's going to go to zero for the next few years. Could you share the source for what was already agreed upon in December? (and god damn the post above is both just weird and....unsettling haha) | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On February 04 2025 23:57 blomsterjohn wrote: Could you share the source for what was already agreed upon in December? (and god damn the post above is both just weird and....unsettling haha) Do you think Pierre Poilievre's analysis is incorrect? IMO, He is dead, bang on the money. | ||
KwarK
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On February 05 2025 00:06 KwarK wrote: You're so fucking weird man. ya? if you have a direct rebuttal to the FACTS and logical conclusions I've made from those facts... please move the convo forward. Canada is fucked. I've already explained why. 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA last year. I am far from the only one who feels the way I do. Please, find me 1 Canadian who thinks Justin Trudeau was a better Prime Minister than Jean Chretien. | ||
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KwarK
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On February 05 2025 00:24 KwarK wrote: There was BY GOD absolutely nothing in that weird rant about Tim Hortons BY GOD Canada hockey donuts and your fetishistic enthusiasm to die BY GOD for America that approached BY GOD FACTS and logic. I provided a rational explanation for why I am willing to die for America. I guess you ignored it. Tim Hortons unsold donuts: its an indicator that Canadians are growing tired of the World Junior Hockey Tournament. In the past, this event was a cultural touchstone for Canada. | ||
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KwarK
United States43582 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada785 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On February 04 2025 23:57 blomsterjohn wrote: Could you share the source for what was already agreed upon in December? (and god damn the post above is both just weird and....unsettling haha) Sure: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/news/2024/12/the-government-of-canadas-border-plan-significant-investments-to-strengthen-border-security-and-our-immigration-system.html As you can see, it was already planned in December (Last modified Dec. 18th) This is a fucking joke. And yeah, Jimmy's posts read like Danielle Smith's version of reality. It's just... wrong... | ||
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kidleaderr
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Billyboy
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That all being said, we still not immune. We do most of our purchasing in USD, whether it is from the US or not. We do all of our selling in CAD. We always had currency risk but our dollar crashed on the announcement of the tariffs so future ones will still be scary. A item that I thought would never come up is on the next agenda for the local manufactures association about decoupling from the USD. No way that happens anytime soon for a million reasons but it is certainly something shocking to think about, and something I never thought we would seriously discuss. Not sure the rest of Canada is having these types of discussions, but they may. And I'm guessing other countries not even directly impacted are doing the same. | ||
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Sonu2
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On February 06 2025 15:02 Sonu2 wrote: US Politics Mega-thread Close, but we're next door | ||
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Falling
Canada11417 Posts
On February 05 2025 00:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Do you think Pierre Poilievre's analysis is incorrect? IMO, He is dead, bang on the money. Funny. Poilievre ran through some fairly similar points to Trudeau (Canada being America's faithful ally, having fought and died along side America.) Yet from Trudeau you saw it as unhinged ramblings/ crying and here Poilievre is bang on the money. Both speeches were fine; they are using a fairly similar (with some differences, granted) playbook as there is not a lot of room to maneuvre whoever is in charge. But truly the sign of a masterful and persuasive negotiator is persuading the other party that they should be trading with someone else instead. These are the big brain moves by Trump. What a mad lad. | ||
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Billyboy
1452 Posts
Former Canadian PM Stephen Harper: "There is no migrant flow happening from Canada to the United States of any significant numbers... And I'm going to tell you right now, drugs, guns, crime—most of those things flow north, not south." ------------------------------------------- If there is a problem with border security between the States and Canada, it's not on our side. Between Oct. 2023 and September 2024, roughly 43 lbs of fentanyl was seized passing from Canada to the States (compared to 21,100 lbs at the Mexico border). That's the equivalent of a single suitcase. ...but just two weeks ago, 1,840 LBS of cocaine was seized by the Toronto Police, coming from the States INTO Canada. The Toronto Police have also found that 85% of crime guns they recover have entered Canada from the States. What does President Trump intend to do to resolve this? Move the goalposts some more, apparently. First it was "drugs and illegal migrants are pouring in over the Canadian border!" (they aren't); then it was "we're subsidizing Canada by $200B/year!" (they aren't), then it was "Canada has been treating us unfairly!" (referring to the trade deals that HE signed last time he was in office), and now it's "they don't allow U.S. banks into their country!" First, this is false; as of right now, there are 13 American banks that have branches inside Canada. Second, here's the true part: it HAS been challenging for American banks to make much headway in Canada, but this is for a significant reason: Canada's tighter financial regulations mean that the way those American banks would LIKE to do business (and do south of the border) are illegal in Canada. Remember during the financial crisis of 2008, when the American government had to bail out their largest banks or they wouldn't survive? ...Yep, because that's what happened. Remember during the financial crisis of 2008 when the Canadian government had to bail out OUR banks? ...Nope, because that never happened. There have been 534 bank failures in the States since 2001. The number of Canadian bank failures in that same time is 0. Also, https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/stephen-harper-has-a-real-problem-with-donald-trumps-claims-about-canada/article_2856f962-d1f3-11ef-b988-a3c3857fd2da.html | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariff-steel-aluminum-canada-1.7454845 I've had enough! I'm boycotting the Super Bowl and watching a replay of the 1983 Grey Cup instead!  A small can of Salmon is $12 in a city beside Toronto. Prices in southwestern Ontario and Toronto are prolly the same. Its not like this is some town on James Bay. 18 grams of sardines is $6? All this yap from Trudeau about holding grocers accountable and making quality food affordable. What happened? Another Justin Trudeau failure I guess. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On February 05 2025 01:25 castleeMg wrote: “Canada declining middle class” is something I loosely agree with as a general statement. I just think things are less affordable but there is definitely still a middle class but your incoherent rambling about how there’s more unsold Tim Hortons donuts which I don’t even know if that’s true and even if it is, why is that a metric used to define Canadas middle class decline? Also, our lack of hockey dominance has no correlation with the decline of the middle class. I disagree. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/youth-hockey-canada-declining-participation-1.7231607 Families choosing soccer, basketball over hockey due to rising cost for equipment, ice Hockey is an expensive sport played by middle class kids whose parents have lots of spare money to throw around. Canada's middle class was in much better shape during the Chretien era. Youth Hockey participation was sky high because parents had the spare money to throw around. This is why when those kids grew up Canada dominated the hockey world in best-on-best tournaments at both the junior and pro level. The USA's middle class is in much better shape than Canada's over the past 15 years. Generally speaking, they have a lot more spare cash to throw around so playing an expensive sport like hockey is a non issue. 2024 saw the highest # of participants in USA youth hockey ever. The very expensive sport of Hockey is on the rise in the USA. Surprise, Surprise the USA replaces Canada as the #1 hockey power in the world. I called it ... years ago. Check my posts on it if you like. It wasn't that hard to call for anyone objective who is paying attention. The middle class is getting crushed in Canada. On February 07 2025 02:46 Falling wrote: Funny. Poilievre ran through some fairly similar points to Trudeau. incorrect. i quoted it in the post. you can ignore it i guess. "you buy our oil and our gas at massive price discounts and not because we are nice Canadians, but because here at home we've made really dumb decisions to prevent us from exporting energy to any other countries". | ||
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ppdealer
Canada163 Posts
15 years is more than Trudeau has been in power. And none of these justify bowing to US demands. (Or Trump's demands, or Republican's demand or whoever is behind them) You won't bite the hand that feeds you. I personally don't care about the U.S. and however much it has helped me in the past, if they continue to seek harm in the future then they are no friends of mine. Your quote from PP doesn't in any way justify appeasing US or whatever he's proposing. It's good to be self-critical but that's no reason to admit defeat. (For the record I decided to go through your recent posts, you seem to be a huge Trump fanatic, and Trump has shown himself again and again to be a lying, ignorant hypocrite whose favorite political maneuver seems to be populist witch hunt.) If Trump administration's tax cuts benefits you, good for you. That's it. (And like many who like to use God, USA, and Trump in the same phrase, you are most surely not caring about God's teaching at all, what's with actively wishing harm on people you deem worse than you just so you can continue your easy life. USA is actively threatening harm on Canada, Ukraine, and many more around the world right at this moment. And within the US border toward anyone even remotely critical of the administration's decisions, both in political and media, as well among the populations. Don't bother telling me how it's actually the weak one's fault for not accepting the superior deals from the strong ones, it's just gaslighting rhetoric.) | ||
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