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On March 20 2025 04:19 BlackJack wrote: sounds like an argument you've plagiarized from joseph mccarthy or j edgar hoover
Do you understand the idea of a public servant?
Do you understand the idea of freedom of speech, civil liberties, minority rights? There's a little more nuance than 'if the majority supports it then the government is justified in doing it to serve the people' and there are countless examples of history where this idea would be viewed unfavorably
ROLF! It wasn't because he used speech, it is not because he's a minority and it has nothing to do with civil liberties. He has somehow taken power of a foreign nation unelected and is waging a trade war on us. We fired back, more to come.
The mayor literally said the move was to target Musk because he's "extremely close" to Trump. Don't insult your intelligence by pretending they are not trying to punish Musk for his political views. Just like the California environmental board that tried to deny SpaceX launches because Musk "injected himself into the presidential election." They are saying it out loud, but I know that won't deter you from pretending they aren't.
On March 20 2025 04:19 BlackJack wrote: sounds like an argument you've plagiarized from joseph mccarthy or j edgar hoover
Do you understand the idea of a public servant?
Do you understand the idea of freedom of speech, civil liberties, minority rights? There's a little more nuance than 'if the majority supports it then the government is justified in doing it to serve the people' and there are countless examples of history where this idea would be viewed unfavorably
ROLF! It wasn't because he used speech, it is not because he's a minority and it has nothing to do with civil liberties. He has somehow taken power of a foreign nation unelected and is waging a trade war on us. We fired back, more to come.
The mayor literally said the move was to target Musk because he's "extremely close" to Trump. Don't insult your intelligence by pretending they are not trying to punish Musk for his political views. Just like the California environmental board that tried to deny SpaceX launches because Musk "injected himself into the presidential election." They are saying it out loud, but I know that won't deter you from pretending they aren't.
"for his political views" no
for his political actions
Those of us from the UK have heard fifty years of IRA bombmakers who insist they're political prisoners being imprisoned for their politics.
With one hand he reaches out to take subsidies funded by the Canadian people. With the other he uses that money to harm the Canadian people. You'd have to be as cucked as Ted Cruz to let them continue.
You're comparing bomb making to Elon Musk running DOGE. It's fine if you want to argue that the government should use its power to target its political adversaries. (the "correct" targets, anyway) Just don't expect to be conceded the moral high ground if you start complaining when Trump targets the "enemies within."
On March 20 2025 07:25 BlackJack wrote: You're comparing bomb making to Elon Musk running DOGE. It's fine if you want to argue that the government should use its power to target its political adversaries. (the "correct" targets, anyway) Just don't expect to be conceded the moral high ground if you start complaining when Trump targets the "enemies within."
I’m saying that there’s a gulf of difference between being punished for what you believe and being punished for what you do. What Elon does is take money from Canadian taxpayers and use it to hurt Canadians. What Canada is doing in response is no longer giving him taxpayer money. If this is somehow a bridge too far for you then so be it. Call me a fascist if you must but I’m okay with Canada refusing to literally fund attacks on themselves.
Trump is going to target “the enemies within” either way and when that day comes we both know you’re going to be carrying water for him so it really doesn’t matter what I say. I’m not interested in appeasing you.
Fair Is Foul... and Foul is Fair! "I'd rather deal with a Liberal"
On March 20 2025 04:28 Billyboy wrote: A targeted public financial counter attack. Feels like Elon has never watched a hockey game and didn't realize when the gloves come off we are not friendly and polite anymore, its elbows up time.
Bunch of Canadian airlines are reducing their flights stateside because a lack of interest. The people who think Canadians are cool with the "trolling" are drastically underestimating the long term damage president Elon and his vice Donald have done to US Canadian relations.
the long list of BS government subsidies from multiple levels of government in Canada never should've existed.
All the Tesla subsidies amounted to welfare for the rich. These subsidies allow upper middle class people in Toronto to buy a $120,000 car for $70,000.
I was pretty surprised the hard core lefties in Toronto never protested the Tesla subsidies right from day one.
I got no time for upper middle class people in general. They make dumb excuses to burn massive amounts of cash on BS garbage. I live in an upper middle class neighbourhood and I'm looked down upon by the local snobs because I drive a Toyota Corolla while my wife drives a Honda SUV. The average home owner in my area drives a $150,000 car. It is dumb. Once you include insurance, upkeep, etc we save $30,000 to $70,000 a year by driving low end cars. The difference in "quality of life" is zero. With the stock market downturn now my whiney neighbours are crying about how they lost $40K+ in a week. Well, why not just drive the some kind of car they could afford when they were 22?
Fuck Every Tesla Subsidy. Tax luxury cars into the ground. Toyota Rules!
On March 20 2025 07:25 BlackJack wrote: You're comparing bomb making to Elon Musk running DOGE. It's fine if you want to argue that the government should use its power to target its political adversaries. (the "correct" targets, anyway) Just don't expect to be conceded the moral high ground if you start complaining when Trump targets the "enemies within."
I’m saying that there’s a gulf of difference between being punished for what you believe and being punished for what you do. What Elon does is take money from Canadian taxpayers and use it to hurt Canadians. What Canada is doing in response is no longer giving him taxpayer money. If this is somehow a bridge too far for you then so be it. Call me a fascist if you must but I’m okay with Canada refusing to literally fund attacks on themselves.
Trump is going to target “the enemies within” either way and when that day comes we both know you’re going to be carrying water for him so it really doesn’t matter what I say. I’m not interested in appeasing you.
Ignoring that you seem confused into thinking Elon Musk is the one levying tariffs against Canada, do you really think this idea couldn't be equally applied in the other direction? You could already make the case that Trump was slow walking relief funds for LA wildfire victims because California is a blue state but someone could just as easily make the argument "it's not for what they believe it's what they do and their sanctuary state policies are harming America."
As for carrying Trump's water or whatever, I was more critical than anyone here of Trump's detention/deportation of Mahmoud Khalil. Another instance where you could have made the silly argument "it's not for what he believes, it was for his actions." So I'm afraid if you're looking for double standards you're going to need a mirror.
This victim mentality you have is weak and tiring. The others have shown why your wrong, and instead you pick tiny parts of whatever argument you think is the weakest. I'll go JimmyJRaynor on you and let you know of a little quote he uses, "Republicans buy shoes too" Michael Jordon. Elon is learning that Canadians, democrats, Europeans, and so on buy cars.
America is eventually going to feel like Tesla does, you have mistaken your place on a pedestal as victimhood and your going to bully/insult your way into a much worse position than where you started and blame others for your own doing.
And of course Elon is going to get blamed for the trade war, no one is even sure if him or Trump have more say but it is pretty damn obvious that he is the most influential person in the US. I get that you and him don't think Rich white guys should be punished for their actions, but the vast majority of Canadians feel differently.
On March 20 2025 09:05 Billyboy wrote: This victim mentality you have is weak and tiring. The others have shown why your wrong, and instead you pick tiny parts of whatever argument you think is the weakest. I'll go JimmyJRaynor on you and let you know of a little quote he uses, "Republicans buy shoes too" Michael Jordon. Elon is learning that Canadians, democrats, Europeans, and so on buy cars.
America is eventually going to feel like Tesla does, you have mistaken your place on a pedestal as victimhood and your going to bully/insult your way into a much worse position than where you started and blame others for your own doing.
And of course Elon is going to get blamed for the trade war, no one is even sure if him or Trump have more say but it is pretty damn obvious that he is the most influential person in the US. I get that you and him don't think Rich white guys should be punished for their actions, but the vast majority of Canadians feel differently.
Are you really that dense? Trump has been ranting about tariffs for damn near a decade and you are confused whether it's really him or Musk that's responsible for the current trade war that's a net-negative for Musk?
On March 20 2025 09:05 Billyboy wrote: This victim mentality you have is weak and tiring. The others have shown why your wrong, and instead you pick tiny parts of whatever argument you think is the weakest. I'll go JimmyJRaynor on you and let you know of a little quote he uses, "Republicans buy shoes too" Michael Jordon. Elon is learning that Canadians, democrats, Europeans, and so on buy cars.
America is eventually going to feel like Tesla does, you have mistaken your place on a pedestal as victimhood and your going to bully/insult your way into a much worse position than where you started and blame others for your own doing.
And of course Elon is going to get blamed for the trade war, no one is even sure if him or Trump have more say but it is pretty damn obvious that he is the most influential person in the US. I get that you and him don't think Rich white guys should be punished for their actions, but the vast majority of Canadians feel differently.
Are you really that dense? Trump has been ranting about tariffs for damn near a decade and you are confused whether it's really him or Musk that's responsible for the current trade war that's a net-negative for Musk?
I'm not confused, you seem to be. He is the number 1 or 2 guy in the US government. Canada is not going to give him special treatment anymore. The times of us putting ourselves in a worse spot to help American interests have passed. That you (and apparently them) were unaware of the special treatment is not our fault.
Are you so dense that you think this response is about your passion issue, the evils of DEI?
This is the part of the movie where BJ acts like had hasn't heard that Trump is attempting a trade war to cripple Canada and force them to become a US state. Elon is literally making videos in the oval office and BJ can't imagine why he's a target for a response to these attacks against Canadas sovereignty.
I didn't have Trump backstabbing the conservatives in Canada so openly on my bingo card but no one ever said Trump understood the consequences of his actions.
On March 20 2025 09:05 Billyboy wrote: This victim mentality you have is weak and tiring. The others have shown why your wrong, and instead you pick tiny parts of whatever argument you think is the weakest. I'll go JimmyJRaynor on you and let you know of a little quote he uses, "Republicans buy shoes too" Michael Jordon. Elon is learning that Canadians, democrats, Europeans, and so on buy cars.
America is eventually going to feel like Tesla does, you have mistaken your place on a pedestal as victimhood and your going to bully/insult your way into a much worse position than where you started and blame others for your own doing.
And of course Elon is going to get blamed for the trade war, no one is even sure if him or Trump have more say but it is pretty damn obvious that he is the most influential person in the US. I get that you and him don't think Rich white guys should be punished for their actions, but the vast majority of Canadians feel differently.
Are you really that dense? Trump has been ranting about tariffs for damn near a decade and you are confused whether it's really him or Musk that's responsible for the current trade war that's a net-negative for Musk?
I'm not confused, you seem to be. He is the number 1 or 2 guy in the US government. Canada is not going to give him special treatment anymore. The times of us putting ourselves in a worse spot to help American interests have passed. That you (and apparently them) were unaware of the special treatment is not our fault.
Are you so dense that you think this response is about your passion issue, the evils of DEI?
DEI? wtf are you talking about? You know this is why I mostly ignore you, right?
On March 20 2025 09:48 Sermokala wrote: This is the part of the movie where BJ acts like had hasn't heard that Trump is attempting a trade war to cripple Canada and force them to become a US state. Elon is literally making videos in the oval office and BJ can't imagine why he's a target for a response to these attacks against Canadas sovereignty.
I didn't have Trump backstabbing the conservatives in Canada so openly on my bingo card but no one ever said Trump understood the consequences of his actions.
Well Trump is kind of doing the conservatives a favour because when he endorsed Pierre earlier there was a drop in the polls.
Second is that Doug Ford our most or second most conservative premier was friends with Tim Walz. Our right is closer to your left in reality than it is to the current Republicans.
On March 20 2025 09:05 Billyboy wrote: This victim mentality you have is weak and tiring. The others have shown why your wrong, and instead you pick tiny parts of whatever argument you think is the weakest. I'll go JimmyJRaynor on you and let you know of a little quote he uses, "Republicans buy shoes too" Michael Jordon. Elon is learning that Canadians, democrats, Europeans, and so on buy cars.
America is eventually going to feel like Tesla does, you have mistaken your place on a pedestal as victimhood and your going to bully/insult your way into a much worse position than where you started and blame others for your own doing.
And of course Elon is going to get blamed for the trade war, no one is even sure if him or Trump have more say but it is pretty damn obvious that he is the most influential person in the US. I get that you and him don't think Rich white guys should be punished for their actions, but the vast majority of Canadians feel differently.
Are you really that dense? Trump has been ranting about tariffs for damn near a decade and you are confused whether it's really him or Musk that's responsible for the current trade war that's a net-negative for Musk?
I'm not confused, you seem to be. He is the number 1 or 2 guy in the US government. Canada is not going to give him special treatment anymore. The times of us putting ourselves in a worse spot to help American interests have passed. That you (and apparently them) were unaware of the special treatment is not our fault.
Are you so dense that you think this response is about your passion issue, the evils of DEI?
DEI? wtf are you talking about? You know this is why I mostly ignore you, right?
I have found replying to you in the way you reply to me and others is a effective way of shutting you down.
Your administration initiated a trade war intended to ruin our economy and the only consistently clear and coherent remedy we have been offered is to accept annexation as the 51st State. You best believe we're going to go after all Trump's allies regardless of what they think on any given topic.
The government isn't obliged to give out subsidies. I'm not in favour of any EV subsidies, so if Tesla is the first to go, screw Elon. Maybe he can reign in his golfing VP inbetween his busy work of firing and rehiring the nuclear weapons guys and ridding the US government of their taskforces to flush out foreign interference and freedom of information workers, and trying to sell off CIA blacksites- all unnecessary for a secure America, I'm sure.
edit. I also can't help notice that the administration has given it's #1 Donor (and big government contractor) free access to remake the bureacaucy as well is actively advertising on behalf of their #1 Donor. Screw off, America and your 51st State threats. I really like our limitations to campaign funding brought in by an actual conservative government that believed in constitutional limitations.
On February 05 2025 00:24 KwarK wrote: There was BY GOD absolutely nothing in that weird rant about Tim Hortons BY GOD Canada hockey donuts and your fetishistic enthusiasm to die BY GOD for America that approached BY GOD FACTS and logic.
I provided a rational explanation for why I am willing to die for America. I guess you ignored it.
Tim Hortons unsold donuts: its an indicator that Canadians are growing tired of the World Junior Hockey Tournament. In the past, this event was a cultural touchstone for Canada.
What? Lol. Unsold donuts and Canada's interest in the World Junior Hockey Tournament somehow have a causal relationship. Are you serious? I was catching up with this thread, and Jimmy never seems to disappoint. I found myself laughing while reading your recent rants.
On March 20 2025 17:09 Falling wrote: The wrong think/Hoover angle is all wrong.
Your administration initiated a trade war intended to ruin our economy and the only consistently clear and coherent remedy we have been offered is to accept annexation as the 51st State. You best believe we're going to go after all Trump's allies regardless of what they think on any given topic.
The government isn't obliged to give out subsidies. I'm not in favour of any EV subsidies, so if Tesla is the first to go, screw Elon. Maybe he can reign in his golfing VP inbetween his busy work of firing and rehiring the nuclear weapons guys and ridding the US government of their taskforces to flush out foreign interference and freedom of information workers, and trying to sell off CIA blacksites- all unnecessary for a secure America, I'm sure.
edit. I also can't help notice that the administration has given it's #1 Donor (and big government contractor) free access to remake the bureacaucy as well is actively advertising on behalf of their #1 Donor. Screw off, America and your 51st State threats. I really like our limitations to campaign funding brought in by an actual conservative government that believed in constitutional limitations.
Yeah exactly it’s called It’s called fuck around and find out.
The guy can’t have it both ways. If he desires his companies to benefit from advantageous tax subsidies and the likes, he can’t inject himself to the heart of an actively hostile administration, or indeed directly contribute to that himself.
On March 20 2025 17:09 Falling wrote: The wrong think/Hoover angle is all wrong.
Your administration initiated a trade war intended to ruin our economy and the only consistently clear and coherent remedy we have been offered is to accept annexation as the 51st State. You best believe we're going to go after all Trump's allies regardless of what they think on any given topic.
The government isn't obliged to give out subsidies. I'm not in favour of any EV subsidies, so if Tesla is the first to go, screw Elon. Maybe he can reign in his golfing VP inbetween his busy work of firing and rehiring the nuclear weapons guys and ridding the US government of their taskforces to flush out foreign interference and freedom of information workers, and trying to sell off CIA blacksites- all unnecessary for a secure America, I'm sure.
edit. I also can't help notice that the administration has given it's #1 Donor (and big government contractor) free access to remake the bureacaucy as well is actively advertising on behalf of their #1 Donor. Screw off, America and your 51st State threats. I really like our limitations to campaign funding brought in by an actual conservative government that believed in constitutional limitations.
Sure, and nobody targeted communists for what they believe. They just targeted people that aligned with the communist party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. They just targeted people that aligned with the black panther party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. A simple case of fuck around and find out.
On March 20 2025 17:09 Falling wrote: The wrong think/Hoover angle is all wrong.
Your administration initiated a trade war intended to ruin our economy and the only consistently clear and coherent remedy we have been offered is to accept annexation as the 51st State. You best believe we're going to go after all Trump's allies regardless of what they think on any given topic.
The government isn't obliged to give out subsidies. I'm not in favour of any EV subsidies, so if Tesla is the first to go, screw Elon. Maybe he can reign in his golfing VP inbetween his busy work of firing and rehiring the nuclear weapons guys and ridding the US government of their taskforces to flush out foreign interference and freedom of information workers, and trying to sell off CIA blacksites- all unnecessary for a secure America, I'm sure.
edit. I also can't help notice that the administration has given it's #1 Donor (and big government contractor) free access to remake the bureacaucy as well is actively advertising on behalf of their #1 Donor. Screw off, America and your 51st State threats. I really like our limitations to campaign funding brought in by an actual conservative government that believed in constitutional limitations.
Sure, and nobody targeted communists for what they believe. They just targeted people that aligned with the communist party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. They just targeted people that aligned with the black panther party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. A simple case of fuck around and find out.
Can you necro up any of your quotes where you get really mad at the US government for sanctioning Russian oligarchs? Or people working with Iran or Cuba? You do know we, in the past, of just followed your lead with Tariffs and so on with China right?
Actions have consequences. It is the reason that most CEO's don't even publicly talk it let alone join and run it.
Canada is fucked. In the past, PMs threaded the needle between super powers to craft great deals for Canada's citizens. Now, the country is getting crushed by China and the USA. Justin Trudeau failed.
On February 05 2025 00:24 KwarK wrote: There was BY GOD absolutely nothing in that weird rant about Tim Hortons BY GOD Canada hockey donuts and your fetishistic enthusiasm to die BY GOD for America that approached BY GOD FACTS and logic.
I provided a rational explanation for why I am willing to die for America. I guess you ignored it.
Tim Hortons unsold donuts: its an indicator that Canadians are growing tired of the World Junior Hockey Tournament. In the past, this event was a cultural touchstone for Canada.
What? Lol. Unsold donuts and Canada's interest in the World Junior Hockey Tournament somehow have a causal relationship. Are you serious? I was catching up with this thread, and Jimmy never seems to disappoint. I found myself laughing while reading your recent rants.
By the way, Canada > USA again in hockey.
the real test for hockey supremacy is the annual world juniors. you should know that. man, tim horton's is plastering that hockey canada logo every where. a company owned by a hedge fund structured by warren buffet is about as Canadian as it gets these days i guess?
I gotta say though... the egg white spinach omelette bites are both very tastey and very healthy. They keep them just under $4 to avoid the HST. How very old school of them. Good to see.
On March 21 2025 03:05 Yaqoob wrote: By the way, Canada > USA again in hockey
for the first time ever the USA has more youth hockey participants than Canada. A declining % of Canada's middle class can afford to put their kids into hockey.
On March 20 2025 17:09 Falling wrote: The wrong think/Hoover angle is all wrong.
Your administration initiated a trade war intended to ruin our economy and the only consistently clear and coherent remedy we have been offered is to accept annexation as the 51st State. You best believe we're going to go after all Trump's allies regardless of what they think on any given topic.
The government isn't obliged to give out subsidies. I'm not in favour of any EV subsidies, so if Tesla is the first to go, screw Elon. Maybe he can reign in his golfing VP inbetween his busy work of firing and rehiring the nuclear weapons guys and ridding the US government of their taskforces to flush out foreign interference and freedom of information workers, and trying to sell off CIA blacksites- all unnecessary for a secure America, I'm sure.
edit. I also can't help notice that the administration has given it's #1 Donor (and big government contractor) free access to remake the bureacaucy as well is actively advertising on behalf of their #1 Donor. Screw off, America and your 51st State threats. I really like our limitations to campaign funding brought in by an actual conservative government that believed in constitutional limitations.
Sure, and nobody targeted communists for what they believe. They just targeted people that aligned with the communist party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. They just targeted people that aligned with the black panther party, regardless of what they thought on any given topic. A simple case of fuck around and find out.
The comparison is not analogous. If I recall correctly, simply owning Das Kapital was grounds for arrest or there was the blacklisting of screenwriters and directors from creating films in Hollywood.
Musk was being given preferable treatment by the Canadian government (tax incentives to encourage the sale of Musk's vehicles over and above natural market of combustion engines.) The Canadian government is now removing that preferential treatment, which partially removes the government propping up EV sales. He is still free to sell his cars in Canada at this point (if anyone in Canada is even interested in Tesla anymore*), but just at the non-distorted market equilibrium. This is a far cry from anything done during the Red Scare.
*The Venn diagram I suspect is small. There is a Trump cult following in Canada, however small that believes Trump is a super genius, believes we deserve tariffs/ annexation, believes the fentanyl lie, and believes nearly every alternative media (Russian) talking point on the Ukraine war... but that group tends to drive the biggest gas guzzling trucks you've ever seen, so I don't really know what the Tesla market is up here anymore.
for the first time ever the USA has more youth hockey participants than Canada. A declining % of Canada's middle class can afford to put their kids into hockey.
Or maybe the Bettman has finally successfully cracked into the American markets like he has always dreamed? 340 million population vs 40 million, and the NHL has been aggressively trying to capture American interest and market, preferring States with no snow and ice over Hamilton and Quebec City. Could more American youth in hockey for the first time just be a success story for widening interest in America?
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