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On October 22 2019 06:53 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2019 06:48 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2019 05:17 Nakajin wrote:On October 22 2019 03:10 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2019 03:08 Ben... wrote:
It's all going to come down to how things go in BC, Ontario, and Quebec. Just like every election. Yep.. in some ways its kind of sad that this is the case. I mean it's also where over 2/3 of the voters are. Yeah, and thats one of the ways. Additionally its only going to get worse. I think some degree of proportional representation could be good. And thats why i suggested it was somewhat sad because I personally wouldnt be able to offer a good suggestion on how to implement it. Yes, that's the tricky part about proportional representation. You'd essentially have to give up voting for a local representative and instead each party would put forth a pool of representatives or something along those lines. There'd be a lot of edge cases that would need to be handled also.
If it were up to me, I'd keep the existing riding system voting for a representative.
Add 50 seats to the house of commons, and allocate them such that the final total of representatives from each party is approximately equal to the vote share they got with a minimum of 2% for a seat. Each party is responsible for drawing up a list of candidates which would be added, in order as representatives for the party in the house.
Your vote will count in all ridings towards those seats, and even if your riding is a landslide, you can still affect other regions.
Ideally we'd move away from FPTP but that's unlikely to happen. BC tried with a half-assed referendum and it was nowhere near passing.
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On October 22 2019 07:03 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2019 06:53 Ben... wrote:On October 22 2019 06:48 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2019 05:17 Nakajin wrote:On October 22 2019 03:10 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2019 03:08 Ben... wrote:
It's all going to come down to how things go in BC, Ontario, and Quebec. Just like every election. Yep.. in some ways its kind of sad that this is the case. I mean it's also where over 2/3 of the voters are. Yeah, and thats one of the ways. Additionally its only going to get worse. I think some degree of proportional representation could be good. And thats why i suggested it was somewhat sad because I personally wouldnt be able to offer a good suggestion on how to implement it. Yes, that's the tricky part about proportional representation. You'd essentially have to give up voting for a local representative and instead each party would put forth a pool of representatives or something along those lines. There'd be a lot of edge cases that would need to be handled also. If it were up to me, I'd keep the existing riding system voting for a representative. Add 50 seats to the house of commons, and allocate them such that the final total of representatives from each party is approximately equal to the vote share they got with a minimum of 2% for a seat. Each party is responsible for drawing up a list of candidates which would be added, in order as representatives for the party in the house. Your vote will count in all ridings towards those seats, and even if your riding is a landslide, you can still affect other regions. Ideally we'd move away from FPTP but that's unlikely to happen. BC tried with a half-assed referendum and it was nowhere near passing.
That actually sounds pretty decent and solves the issue of people not having direct representatives while allowing for some degree of proportional representation.
Yeah, getting rid of FPTP would be a massive undertaking. I think the Liberals realized that after the last election. It'd be hard to do without becoming politicized since a proportional representation-style system would potentially take away power from certain parties.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Yep. Anyone else watching the election coverage? Exciting stuff.
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On October 22 2019 08:17 BigFan wrote:
Yep. Anyone else watching the election coverage? Exciting stuff.
I checked in. Saw the Cons leading, had a heart attack, then realized it was one seat in Newfoundland that had a total of 30 votes counted.
I guess I should have paid closer attention.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On October 22 2019 08:19 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2019 08:17 BigFan wrote:
Yep. Anyone else watching the election coverage? Exciting stuff. I checked in. Saw the Cons leading, had a heart attack, then realized it was one seat in Newfoundland that had a total of 30 votes counted. I guess I should have paid closer attention.
bahahaha. It's saying the libs have 6 seats so far, but nothing has closed yet. Maritimes closing in 3 minutes.
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TLADT24920 Posts
We need to make this like an LR thread! So far:
Libs: 20
Con: 7
NDP: 1
BQ/Green/PPC: 0
Still counting of course
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Canada8991 Posts
Looking very good for the libs now/bad for the conservative, but obviously we have to wait for Ontario and Québec
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Libs are expected to win in the maritimes aren't they?
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It's kinda tough to judge so far. The Liberals were expected to lose 5-10 seats in the Atlantic provinces since they overperformed there in the previous election. I'm not surprised to see the Cons leading in a few seats in New Brunswick. The provincial conservative party there did well in the last provincial election and if I remember right the federal Conservatives had seats there in the past.
Thus far, compared to polling, the Liberals are slightly overperforming the 40% they were polling in the maritimes at while the NDP and Greens are both a couple points under. This is of course only one region so we'll have to see if that type of trend continues elsewhere.
I guess it's also important to point out that the Greens haven't been polling nearly as well the last two weeks. They were up at around 11% in September but they were down to about 7% in several polls recently, with the NDP and Liberals both benefiting.
On October 22 2019 09:21 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Libs are expected to win in the maritimes aren't they?
Yeah, according to 338Canada they're projected to win ~24 seat, with the Cons winning 5-6 and the NDP 1-2.
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Canada8991 Posts
On October 22 2019 09:21 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Libs are expected to win in the maritimes aren't they?
Ya, but 5-6 is still fairly bad for the tories they need to have some unexpexted victory at some point if they are gonna win
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Quebec results are coming in soon. Things could get really sketchy.
edit: Green Party leading in Fredricton. Keep in mind the provincial Green Party did quite well in the last New Brunswick provincial election. The Greens could be a factor here.
double edit: The Cons went from 8 seats to 5 in projections now. 5 was the minimum expected of them in the maritime provinces essentially.
triple edit: first Quebec riding is super close. The Liberals won it last time but the Bloc was ahead in polling. It's swung between the two parties about 3 times now.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Indeed. Polls closing in 30 minutes then we'll get Ontario shortly after. Quebec should be interesting too. I can see the libs taking Ontario with maybe a split with Bloc in Quebec.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Also, apparently there have been robocalls telling people that the voting is tommorrow. Such dirty tactics lol.
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On October 22 2019 10:08 BigFan wrote:
Also, apparently there have been robocalls telling people that the voting is tommorrow. Such dirty tactics lol.
Yeah, it was by one of those "Canada Strong and Proud" groups that people have been highly suspicious of for a good while now. I'm both disappointed but somehow not surprised at all. They need to not only make that type of behaviour during elections highly illegal, but also penalize those who help make it happen. If someone hires a call centre to do this work, then the call centre should also be liable.
edit: Cons lost the lead in another riding. Sydney-Victoria is too close to call but now the Liberals are leading in Mirimichi. Both ridings are crazy close.
double edit: and now the Cons are again. So many close ridings.
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Canada8991 Posts
A quick jumping here to say that the fact that CBC got Chantale Hébert and not us is going on the list of my own list of grievances against the rest of Canada
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SCTV poking fun at botched election prediction models back in 1980. It still applies today.
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It is interesting to see how back in that era "inflation" was a very big topic of discussion. Also, at 4:35 the theme of politicians hating the media comes up as Mayor Tommy Shanks beats the snot out of an SCTV anchorman. LOL. In this vignette "Floyd Robertson" is CTV anchorman "Lloyd Robertson". Libby Wolfson is " CityTV's Mickey Moore".
Kudos to the Canadians who came up with this timeless humorous vignette. It offers some fascinating perspective.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On October 22 2019 10:13 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2019 10:08 BigFan wrote:
Also, apparently there have been robocalls telling people that the voting is tommorrow. Such dirty tactics lol. Yeah, it was by one of those "Canada Strong and Proud" groups that people have been highly suspicious of for a good while now. I'm both disappointed but somehow not surprised at all. They need to not only make that type of behaviour during elections highly illegal, but also penalize those who help make it happen. If someone hires a call centre to do this work, then the call centre should also be liable. edit: Cons lost the lead in another riding. Sydney-Victoria is too close to call but now the Liberals are leading in Mirimichi. Both ridings are crazy close. double edit: and now the Cons are again. So many close ridings.
yes. I think I even got a call myself from them and just closed the phone. I could be wrong, but afaik, they are related to the conservatives. What I dislike is the calls saying the election is tommorrow or w/e because that's misleading. I don't care as much if a call tries to convince you to vote for one party over another.
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On October 22 2019 10:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2019 10:13 Ben... wrote:On October 22 2019 10:08 BigFan wrote:
Also, apparently there have been robocalls telling people that the voting is tommorrow. Such dirty tactics lol. Yeah, it was by one of those "Canada Strong and Proud" groups that people have been highly suspicious of for a good while now. I'm both disappointed but somehow not surprised at all. They need to not only make that type of behaviour during elections highly illegal, but also penalize those who help make it happen. If someone hires a call centre to do this work, then the call centre should also be liable. edit: Cons lost the lead in another riding. Sydney-Victoria is too close to call but now the Liberals are leading in Mirimichi. Both ridings are crazy close. double edit: and now the Cons are again. So many close ridings. yes. I think I even got a call myself from them and just closed the phone. I could be wrong, but afaik, they are related to the conservatives. What I dislike is the calls saying the election is tommorrow or w/e because that's misleading. I don't care as much if a call tries to convince you to vote for one party over another.
Yeah, my understanding is that there isn't a direct link between them and the Cons, but given they are anti-Carbon Tax, anti-climate change, and just happened to have targeted areas that are either competitive for the Cons or the Cons are slightly behind in, it's pretty obvious who these groups are in favour of.
I'm not sure how they avoided the third party election spending rules.
edit: Maxime Bernier has netted 5 votes so far. No, not that Maxime Bernier. The Rhinoceros Party Maxime Bernier.
double: Had another heart attack. Saw the Conservative number go up a bunch and panicked. Then I realized they're starting to call rural ridings in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta already.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Yes, I think that was the main link, but it's nothing that was fully confirmed afaik. Dunno either.
haha at the Rhinceros Party Maxime Bernier. Funny stuff.
Gotta take it easy there 
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