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goiflin
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iMOOrtal
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Roe
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On May 06 2015 13:19 FiWiFaKi wrote: So sad to see NDP win. Canada is doomed  (If conservatives can't win in Alberta, they can't win in Canada).what doom? | ||
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
On May 06 2015 15:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: 1. That sector is dependent on the resource exclusively. As long as it is inside Alberta's borders they will either suck it up and pay the taxes or close shop and someone else will mine it for them. Someone will always be willing to mine it, regardless of the price. 2.The PC budget that was proposed is garbage. Literally. It actually is residing in the trash. Pretend it never existed. They will make a new one. 3. Noise. They will make noise and nobody will care and then they will stay put. Maybe some leave, some jobs may be cut but for the most part they will whine and that's it. The smart ones will take advantage of the new job tax credit to offset the raising royalties. 4.It won't. A PST is a great way to never get another vote ever again. I think the fact a PST was even mentioned as possible is why the PC's lost so mightily 5. The housing bubble in Ft. Mac is actually just a supply vs demand thing. Their is a huge demand for houses and low supply. Any time Supple < Demand the supply is super expensive. Everyone working in Ft. Mac has alot of money because that's where all the high paying jobs are so people selling houses ask for a shit tonne of money. The "bubble" won't be bursting as long as the oil is there. And it will be there for a LONG time. Even if they wanted to I don't think the government could put some kind of limit on prices or something for houses. 6. The new job tax credit will do alot for small businesses. Might make some viable that previously weren't. In the big picture though, not much. Small business is a nice thing to promote but its effect on the economy is minimal. Good way to get votes though as the NDP just showed. 7. Knee jerk reactions are a government thing. Corporations are alot more stubborn (Target being example A). It's entirely possible that thousands of jobs are cut but I think more jobs will be made. That new job tax credit is pretty juicy and we all know how much Corporations love their tax breaks. I'm interested in this interaction between the big businesses of AB and the NDP the most. Now this is interesting haha! A tie! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qC946Fx.png) To be honest, I believe we have to raises taxes for everyone including large corporations, but I think it should have been done when its booming instead of the turn down we are facing right now. But the Glenmore riding its interesting, because i believe terry lo bowed out before voting and they were suppose to tell voters that terry isnt running anymore. But it shows you that 1 vote can make a difference. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/06/harper-congratulates-rach_n_7221020.html i've said this before and i'll say it again.. Harper needs to go back to running the country off of opinion polls....its what got him in power to begin with. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 06 2015 21:56 iMOOrtal wrote: https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/595779859751804931 + Show Spoiler + lol Go Canada! I hear Saskatchewan real estate is rapidly getting snapped up  | ||
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Rizare
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PhoenixVoid
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CorsairHero
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On May 07 2015 12:12 PhoenixVoid wrote: I am genuinely disappointed C-51 passed. There is no value in a Patriot Act ala Canada style in a country with almost no terrorism violence except for that one spike a few months ago. More reason to not vote Harper. JT is also for it. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
I did bite too much into the anti-Harper circlejerk didn't I? It wasn't purely Harper the Liberals also contributed quite a bit to the yea voting. At this point I have no other party to vote for than NDP honestly, blue and red do not represent the Canada I envision. | ||
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On May 07 2015 21:45 iMOOrtal wrote: JT said he would amend bill C-51 if the Liberals get power in the federal election. Here we go, in this interview, enjoy. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hMgxzifzzs Edit: Around 5:30 Pretty typical vague political response though. He thinks it's good, but he wants to make changes, and he'll only make them when elected. I thought bill C-51 was the one no one liked at all. | ||
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goiflin
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BallinWitStalin
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That's pretty much lost my vote for him. Definitely voting Orange this election. | ||
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lethal111
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EarthwormJim
Canada94 Posts
On May 06 2015 15:38 Orcasgt24 wrote: 1. That sector is dependent on the resource exclusively. As long as it is inside Alberta's borders they will either suck it up and pay the taxes or close shop and someone else will mine it for them. Someone will always be willing to mine it, regardless of the price. 2.The PC budget that was proposed is garbage. Literally. It actually is residing in the trash. Pretend it never existed. They will make a new one. 3. Noise. They will make noise and nobody will care and then they will stay put. Maybe some leave, some jobs may be cut but for the most part they will whine and that's it. The smart ones will take advantage of the new job tax credit to offset the raising royalties. 4.It won't. A PST is a great way to never get another vote ever again. I think the fact a PST was even mentioned as possible is why the PC's lost so mightily 5. The housing bubble in Ft. Mac is actually just a supply vs demand thing. Their is a huge demand for houses and low supply. Any time Supple < Demand the supply is super expensive. Everyone working in Ft. Mac has alot of money because that's where all the high paying jobs are so people selling houses ask for a shit tonne of money. The "bubble" won't be bursting as long as the oil is there. And it will be there for a LONG time. Even if they wanted to I don't think the government could put some kind of limit on prices or something for houses. 6. The new job tax credit will do alot for small businesses. Might make some viable that previously weren't. In the big picture though, not much. Small business is a nice thing to promote but its effect on the economy is minimal. Good way to get votes though as the NDP just showed. 7. Knee jerk reactions are a government thing. Corporations are alot more stubborn (Target being example A). It's entirely possible that thousands of jobs are cut but I think more jobs will be made. That new job tax credit is pretty juicy and we all know how much Corporations love their tax breaks. I'm interested in this interaction between the big businesses of AB and the NDP the most. Now this is interesting haha! A tie! Thanks for the reply. My response: 1. Operations aren't profitable at $60 a barrel. Operations aren't worth it unless it's closer to $80 a barrel. I disagree whole heartly that "someone" else will mine it. I can tell you, you haven't worked in the oilfield, and if you had/do you wouldn't say someone will mine it, despite what prices are. That is completely not true from many points of view, especially economically. Also, nobody else 'can' mine oil once the lease is paid and the land war has been settled in the 80s (all prospect has been purchased). With that being said, yes , in theory company a, can sell lease to company b, but company b wouldn't buy lease if prices are shit - company a doesnt sell if prices good. Do I think they will leave? Never. Do I think they would put a hold on production? Yes, has been done many times. Happened this year. So that's why my question remains. 3. What I said ties into 3 as well. The backlash may be "noise" but things can get pretty fuckin loud and you can't ignore it anymore. If Suncor goes, nah, no jobs for 3 months that's fucking devastating for 10k + workers. And that's ONE site. There is a reason why royalties are extremely low relative to other countries. They have a ton of influence on our economy and if you start asking for more money, they cut corners to make up for that, which usually means jobs. 2. I agree with you. I'm not sure where they will find the money - or if the couple months of no work supplemented the budget enough where things can go back to normal. But I found it so fucking ass backwards to start firing doctors/nurses right before an election, or at all in the first place. Education cuts = political suicide, and I feel the same for health care workers? my 2 cents. 4. I agree that it was poor timing to mention PST on PC part as a strategic point of view; I disagree there will be no PST. Unless oil starts booming, but that's anyone's guess. You HAVE to fill that void - in 2009 during that dry spell/recession there was no PST - but that's because our pockets were madly coated in oil. It's not the case this time. I guess instead of arguing about this point , we can agree to disagree and allow time to tell us. 5. You do understand that supply and demand create bubbles - rite? Boom bust man. The housing in fort mcmurray has been super inflated for years - with change of oil prices you risk a massive bust. It's been well known that Canadian housing prices across the country are extremely inflated and experts have been predicting a correction for 2 years now. I'm a day trader and have been figuring out a way to profit off of this correction. This is speculation, even from an expert point of view - but there were experts that said the same thing about American housing in 2007. Nobody wanted to listen. Read the book The Big Short and get blown away. It's especially scary when a ton of that housing money being spent in fort mac is actually corporate dollars and not money from people. If I could make a "sim city" in real life, I would not build a boomtown - as it's very susceptible to bubbles. Again - oil prices go down - house prices don't move. Oil prices go up - house prices go up. Scary scary scary. 6. I disagree. Small business actually does wonders for an economy - not from a hippy mom and pop point of view. Small business is actually extremely inefficient relative to big business. You can do way more for way cheaper in a corporation = fewer jobs, lower pay, bigger profits. Those profits usually don't go back into the economy, and if they do, it's promoting an industry to perform for said company, and not for the economy. With that being said, when corporate gets hit with bigger tax, small business suffers because big business starts to slow down. It's like the big whale stops moving to conserve energy and only eats what it needs to live, and all the bottom feeders relying on the whale to move to new places die off. Horrible analogy. You're welcome lol. 7. I guess my 6 response kinda trickles into this. I'm just nervous that bigger corp starts to cut fat and it affects small bizz. The other side is there will be opportunity to fill that void and motivated individuals can exploit that. The tie is crazy. It's almost like we need a new party - one that is in the middle of NDP and PC. *rolls eyes* haha. | ||
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
On May 08 2015 07:36 lethal111 wrote: Jt only voted for it, so he can use it in the election campaign as some crap. Saying he will amend it if he gets elected... Why dont u just vote against it instead of using it as a platform for your campaign. I wasn't old enough to vote during the last federal election but i wont be voting conservative at all... If you watch the interview, he says there are things in the bill he agrees with, which is the answer as to why he voted for it (sometimes you have to achieve what you can, not what you want). Now, if say the Tories win, you will have no changes to the bill. If the NDP win, you will have no bill c-51. If JT wins, you will have a modified C-51 where you won't be called a terrorist if you're critical of the Gov or if you're an environmental activist. Hopefully that helps you better understand the options. Speaking in layman's terms, we need protections, C-51 has a few things that could actually help catch bad people, and it has a lot of things that could be used against good people. As it stands now, the bill is damaging to the freedoms we have. However having nothing in place, could be damaging as well. In my eyes it's about finding balance, that's what this election is about to me. Edit: The Spells | ||
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