Canadian Politics Mega-thread - Page 7

On May 08 2015 20:27 iMOOrtal wrote:


If you watch the interview, he says there are things in the bill he agrees with, which is the answer as to why he voted for it (sometimes you have to achieve what you can, not what you want). Now, if say the Tories win, you will have no changes to the bill. If the NDP win, you will have no bill c-51. If JT wins, you will have a modified C-51 where you won't be called a terrorist if you're critical of the Gov or if you're an environmental activist. Hopefully that helps you better understand the options.

Speaking in layman's terms, we need protections, C-51 has a few things that could actually help catch bad people, and it has a lot of things that could be used against good people. As it stands now, the bill is damaging to the freedoms we have. However having nothing in place, could be damaging as well. In my eyes it's about finding balance, that's what this election is about to me.

Edit: The Spells

On May 09 2015 00:41 iMOOrtal wrote:


Sometimes politics isn't about being an ideologue. The liberals are the central party in our system and his positikn on c51 shows that. JT has to separate himself from Muclaire, and Harper. In the end it comes down to taking votes away from the tories and swinging more central leaning NDP voters to his cause, he wants to show that he is hard on terror but at the same time will respect our freedoms more than the conservatives do. BTW he is taking a stand on something, marijuana. So you can't say he doesn't take a stand on things because clearly he does. He just does what he thinks is the right thing to do. I can tell you're going to vote NDP, which honestly makes me happy. ABC in the end my friend. (Anything but conservatives).

On May 09 2015 00:03 Djzapz wrote:
Slightly off topic but what the fuck happened in Alberta, anyone have some insight? It seems like everyone went crazy all of a sudden!

On May 13 2015 00:04 rally_point wrote:


I live in Alberta and tbh I have no idea what happened. I'm your typical oil and gas engineer working in the exploration/production portion of the industry. There's quite a bit of worry about the NDP especially from the old boys.

It's interesting... EVERYONE I talk to - guys from the field, people on facebook, coworkers, anyone - they ALL fear the worst for Alberta. Which makes me wonder who voted for the NDP / how I'm socially isolated because idk anyone who voted NDP hahaha.

Anyways we'll see how it shakes down. My political knowledge is not great so I will refrain from forming an uneducated opinion.

On May 12 2015 23:33 radscorpion9 wrote:
Personally I am leaning toward voting NDP because they have made it clear that they support a change toward mixed proportional representation in the voting system. The way we have it now (I think its called "first past the post"?), apparently conservatives can gain a majority government even if only 40% of canadians voted for them (and I'm not sure that's the lowest possible percentage). Basically all of the votes I made in the past toward the green party are wasted under this system, and it makes me feel like my vote is truly worthless. It just seems anti-democratic to me, because people care less about voting based on what they believe and more to play around vote-splitting in particular ridings.

One one hand I understand that technically people are voting for a representative for their region in a province, so it seems fair that the majority of votes should decide which candidate is put into parliament. But realistically the type of person in parliament is insignificant in comparison to the general strength of the party and their ability to influence government policy by acting as a voting bloc. That's what really matters - it is a federal election after all, not a municipal or even provincial one, so you're not voting someone into parliament who will provide some kind of personal treatment. Their primary role in the system will be to decide on things that work for millions of people, not just one small part of Canada.

But I'm guessing everyone here already agrees. Vote splitting is just so damaging to democratic values, and is basically responsible for providing the conservatives with a majority. So I might have to play politics again with my vote to play the first-past-the-post game if polls show strong liberal support in my riding (because hey anything but conservative!), but I hope I won't have to.

Also as a side note anything that will move us on a trajectory away from promoting and selling tar sands oil. We are on the verge of an environmental catastrophe and politicians (including the liberal party) think that its a good idea to start actively advertising for oil expansion. We should all be making a collective effort to move away from oil. Nothing is going to collapse if we don't start extracting the hell out of the tar sands, the world was fine before and it is fine after. The only thing it does is make people even more oil-dependent than they were before. Sigh...why are some people so obsessed with making money. Its an infection

On May 19 2015 04:26 Ben... wrote:
The latest block of "bipartisan" government ads is pretty shameful. It's all "the government is proposing". Weird, I always thought "the government" meant the entire government, opposition included, not just one party. I highly doubt the opposition is proposing these things that just happen to be part of the Conservative platform. Not to mention advertising services that don't actually exist is incredibly dishonest.

On May 26 2015 21:35 iMOOrtal wrote:


Just so you know going forward my friend, "The Government" has always meant "The Ruling Party"
This is how they (he) rule <3
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 29 2015 08:04 Ben... wrote:

I'm not talking about attack ads, I'm talking about the "Action Plan" ads, which are not indicated as being by the Conservatives or related groups but instead are depicted as being by "The Government of Canada". They used to at least contain actual services a person could use. Now it is all "the government is proposing", which seems quite dishonest to me since they are advertising things that are part of one party's platform and do not exist yet they put it under the guise of being a bi-partisan ad.

I hate attack ads but at least it is transparent what they are so the average person will learn to just tune them out. These new ads are a whole new level of low as they try to hide that they are heavily slanted in favor of the Conservative agenda.