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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10842 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11735 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
It is a very common theme that police violence is justified by whatever people can pull out of their hat while no (in case of my friend) and at most minimal (in case of the girl on the vehicle) breach of "peacful protesting etiquette" is answered with batons and tear gas. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On July 10 2017 17:25 Artisreal wrote: Are you guys seriously letting needless violence slide instead of demanding other tactics? It is a very common theme that police violence is justified by whatever people can pull out of their hat while no (in case of my friend) and at most minimal (in case of the girl on the vehicle) breach of "peacful protesting etiquette" is answered with batons and tear gas. Would you please finally provide what you mean by "other tactics"? ... It is getting tiring. Tractor beams to move her down gently? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
But that's not my fucking job as much as it is that of a music critic to actually be able to play instruments and sing. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On July 10 2017 17:29 Artisreal wrote: If you would read my post I already said that I have no idea. But that's not my fucking job as much as it is that of a music critic to actually be able to play instruments and sing. Even the music ciritic is expected to have a minimum idea of what is feasible and possible though. Otherwise he kinda sucks at his job. Your seem to be the music critic demanding the solo musician to play trumpet, guitar and piano simultanously, while he is singing. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
It is reasonable to demand from the only institution allowed to use force to apply it with the caution and adequacy demanded by the situation. I stand by my word that the green German police is not sufficiently prepared to solve situations like that with reasonable use of force. It's rather a deviation of clue- and helplessness, or much worse, indifference. And I don't want helpless security forces when the shit hits the fan like in the Schanzenviertel. If they can't get rid of one unarmed person on a vehicle without tear gas. My lord. | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On July 10 2017 17:09 Simberto wrote: Yeah, because that looks so much better, when three heavily armored cops brutally drag a screaming woman away. It does look much better. We wouldn't be having this discussion here if the photo showed the girl being carried off instead of hosed down by pepper spray from three directions. It's possible to non-brutally drag people too I have heard. I don't even have a strong feeling either way, but arguing there was no other way but to tear gas that skinny girl makes the riot police look pretty ridiculous. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18207 Posts
On July 10 2017 17:33 mahrgell wrote: Even the music ciritic is expected to have a minimum idea of what is feasible and possible though. Otherwise he kinda sucks at his job. Your seem to be the music critic demanding the solo musician to play trumpet, guitar and piano simultanously, while he is singing. When a music critic says an interpretation of Bach was not to his liking, he's expected to offer ideas on why not, and what was wrong. Something like "too many wood instruments upset the delicate balance in ...." or "it's time Justin Bieber did some innovating instead of regurgitating the same tired old pop hits for his 16-yo fan girls". There's some room for debate there, because some other critics might like the instrumental balance or feel Bieber's newest album is actually rather innovative. If all music critics did was yell "it's bad, boo", they wouldn't get taken seriously either. Now back to the problem. There's a girl climbing on an armored truck and she needs to get off. I'm sure they asked politely and she refused, because one of her goals is to show she lives in a police state where the evil oppressors aim water cannons at innocent girls (standing on top of police vehicles, but that doesn't fit your narrative). She was given warning, refused to heed it and got removed without too much harm. Mission accomplished. Seems like proportional violence to me. Unproportional police violence happens, and is awful. This was not a good example. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10137 Posts
On July 10 2017 17:09 Simberto wrote: Yeah, because that looks so much better, when three heavily armored cops brutally drag a screaming woman away. Erhm.... yes ? It looks much better than watercannoning a skinny girl on top of your vehicle. But i will be honest, from the picture i get that the police wasn't going full stream, and just attempting to make her go down by her own. Edit : Oh wait, did they have to use tear gas ? Lol. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Does this make Die Linke now officially the center-left for Germany?  | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On July 10 2017 22:34 Big J wrote: German SPD minister for justice Heiko Maas wants a Rock concert against leftism. Does this make Die Linke now officially the center-left for Germany? Nah he doesn't want it. The words were pretty much put in his mouth by a Bild 'journalist'. But this is a good example about where people get their news from and which newspaper copies everything blindly from Bild  | ||
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HKTPZ
105 Posts
Harsh would be shooting her but guess we all have different points of view. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10842 Posts
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HKTPZ
105 Posts
Its just a shame that a girl like her would abuse that lenient approach - instead of trying to bring about change in a civilised manner. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18207 Posts
On July 11 2017 01:50 Plansix wrote: Protest and civil disobedience is one of the most modern ways of bringing about change. Citizens of the EU and US owe many of our rights to that form of protest. And sometimes you get blasted with tear gas during a protest. Not sure throwing bricks at the police is something I agree with as a "modern way of bringing about change". Civil disobedience for sure. Picketing, absolutely. Human chains, standing on armored vehicles, etc. are all great shows of protest. Setting cars on fire, trashing shop windows and throwing bricks at people... no. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 11 2017 02:06 Acrofales wrote: Not sure throwing bricks at the police is something I agree with as a "modern way of bringing about change". Civil disobedience for sure. Picketing, absolutely. Human chains, standing on armored vehicles, etc. are all great shows of protest. Setting cars on fire, trashing shop windows and throwing bricks at people... no. By modern, I mean in the 20th and 21st century. Workers rights, the right for women to vote and to on were obtain through civil and not so civil protest. Our generation does not have much experience with the latter because our governments/leaders knew never to let it get to that point. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
On July 11 2017 02:14 Plansix wrote: By modern, I mean in the 20th and 21st century. Workers rights, the right for women to vote and to on were obtain through civil and not so civil protest. Our generation does not have much experience with the latter because our governments/leaders knew never to let it get to that point. And likely because democratic institutions are functioning a bit better and societies have better secured individual liberties. When there are appropriate means to voice concerns and engage the political system democratically - is there still room for uncivil protests? | ||
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