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Caelum93
62 Posts
On June 24 2018 22:26 sc-darkness wrote: I think you're going to trigger a lot of Germans with this. :D I laughed loud because it is hilarious but to 'trigger' me no way.The bigger issue is people radicalize to one extrema and they should normalize their thinking and deeds | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On June 24 2018 22:26 sc-darkness wrote: I think you're going to trigger a lot of Germans with this. :D I believe memes rather trigger the conservatives. Good thing the fascist EPP is going to forbid them. As long as the right-wing has complete control over the media so that their inner issues between Merkel and Seehofer get painted as left vs right, they have free reign to push through any surveillance and other fascist control measure they like. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 25 2018 01:18 Big J wrote: I believe memes rather trigger the conservatives. Good thing the fascist EPP is going to forbid them. As long as the right-wing has complete control over the media so that their inner issues between Merkel and Seehofer get painted as left vs right, they have free reign to push through any surveillance and other fascist control measure they like. It's just that the right-wing memes are less tolerated in private forums such as this one, whereas pasting flags over people's heads in response to one journalist's chosen word of "axis" is generally tolerated. I would invite any right-wing poster to try the same with Merkel or Junker and maybe white flags of surrender in a photo of migrants and see what the result is. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On June 25 2018 01:51 Danglars wrote: It's just that the right-wing memes are less tolerated in private forums such as this one, whereas pasting flags over people's heads in response to one journalist's chosen word of "axis" is generally tolerated. I would invite any right-wing poster to try the same with Merkel or Junker and maybe white flags of surrender in a photo of migrants and see what the result is. Thanks for letting us know that foreigners are enemies for you | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On June 25 2018 01:51 Danglars wrote: It's just that the right-wing memes are less tolerated in private forums such as this one, whereas pasting flags over people's heads in response to one journalist's chosen word of "axis" is generally tolerated. I would invite any right-wing poster to try the same with Merkel or Junker and maybe white flags of surrender in a photo of migrants and see what the result is. Typical right-wing attitude, too lazy to do things yourself. That's what working scum is for. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 25 2018 01:54 TheDwf wrote: Thanks for letting us know that foreigners are enemies for you And thanks for proving my point. I give an example of some stupid meme a right-wing person might post, and I get in response the assumption that memes must be taken literally and applied to the person posting. Alright, now do manit0u. I'll wait. Or are jokes only selectively understood? On June 25 2018 02:00 Big J wrote: Typical right-wing attitude, too lazy to do things yourself. That's what working scum is for. I'll be the sacrificial lamb perhaps in the US Politics forum. In Euro politics, I'm sure the creativity is better served by actual Europeans and their more intimate knowledge of jokes that will play well. I'm a capitalist, after all. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Damn, it's close... Hopefully Erdogan goes under the 50% threshold with the last 30% of votes... | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 25 2018 02:02 Danglars wrote: And thanks for proving my point. I give an example of some stupid meme a right-wing person might post, and I get in response the assumption that memes must be taken literally and applied to the person posting. Alright, now do manit0u. I'll wait. Or are jokes only selectively understood? I'll be the sacrificial lamb perhaps in the US Politics forum. In Euro politics, I'm sure the creativity is better served by actual Europeans and their more intimate knowledge of jokes that will play well. I'm a capitalist, after all. tbf TheDwf is basicly the GH of this thread. I really don't think your example would be a problem. Granted, we probably have more people (you consider to be) on the left here so chances are almost noone thinks it's funny but I don't think you'd get in trouble with that. At the very least not after the previous one was posted already. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 25 2018 04:01 Toadesstern wrote: tbf TheDwf is basicly the GH of this thread. I really don't think your example would be a problem. Granted, we probably have more people (you consider to be) on the left here so chances are almost noone thinks it's funny but I don't think you'd get in trouble with that. At the very least not after the previous one was posted already. If ever there was a low bar to pass it's 'politically to the left of Danglars'. I think the issue is far more that a lot of right wing memes have a tendency towards... well... racism. Not all of course, but I've seen a hell of a lot of monkey related memes (guess the context), jew memes (those aren't nice either), and others of equal nastiness. That doesn't mean no right wing memes are acceptable or all right wing memes are racist, but I've genuinely never seen a forum where right wing memes were floating around that didn't rapidly - and I mean rapidly - descend into a pit. There's always some prick who thinks its funny to pull out a nazi meme, and then the floodgates open. I think it sort of self-selects. Decent right wing posters see how it pans out and stop doing it, the bad actors keep doing it and get banned from places. The worst I've seen of left wing memes is being overly preachy and/or mean spirited, which isn't quite as toxic and doesn't usually get out of hand. A lot of feminism memes annoy the piss out of me. Not because I don't like feminists, but because the memes they use are almost always obviously, stupidly wrong or make terrible equivalencies. In my experience, at least. Maybe y'all have seen quite the opposite occur. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Aiobhill
Germany283 Posts
On June 25 2018 01:18 Big J wrote: As long as the right-wing has complete control over the media so that their inner issues between Merkel and Seehofer get painted as left vs right, they have free reign to push through any surveillance and other fascist control measure they like. Reminds of the good old Stalin quip 'Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.' This btw says more about your position than about society's. Also a supermajority of german journalists support left wing parties, and support for Merkel - a CDU chancellor, one is inclined to forget it - is far above average among voters of Bündnis 90/Die Grünen and still above average among voters of Die Linke compared to her general support among all voters. This is about as much left vs right as it can possibly be. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 25 2018 15:30 Aiobhill wrote: Reminds of the good old Stalin quip 'Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.' This btw says more about your position than about society's. Also a supermajority of german journalists support left wing parties, and support for Merkel - a CDU chancellor, one is inclined to forget it - is far above average among voters of Bündnis 90/Die Grünen and still above average among voters of Die Linke compared to her general support among all voters. This is about as much left vs right as it can possibly be. Do you feel the sun's finally about to set on Merkel? Everything I hear from you guys seems to suggest she's looking very vulnerable right now and has lost the electorate a bit. Sounds like the media's on her side though? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10881 Posts
On June 25 2018 02:35 TheDwf wrote: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1010937959246331906 Damn, it's close... Hopefully Erdogan goes under the 50% threshold with the last 30% of votes... About 65% of Turks in Germany voted Erdogan while only 35% of the Turks living in Switzerland did so... Something strange is going on inside the turkish/german community. As for Merkel... She has lost some support but she still seems to be the by far(!) strongest german politician leading the by far strongest party. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Years later they see Erdogan. They don't know/care about Erdogan's authoritarian tendancy. They want Turkey to be "stronk" Its simple. Turks in Germany vote for leftist parties in Germany, vote for far right parties in Turkey. Unlike Germany, Switzerland didn't call unqualified workers. Generally white collars living and working in Switzerland. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
They were supposed to sacrifice their backs to the "Wirtschaftswunder" and go home afterwards. How are you supposed to learn german if all they teach you is the names of the machines you work with, you work 5-7 days/week and 10-12hrs/day, have a family to support and possibly hardly any formal education anyway? How can you call that refusal of anything? They did exactly what they were told back then. To tie a know out of that obedience is ridiculous | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 25 2018 18:16 Velr wrote: About 65% of Turks in Germany voted Erdogan while only 35% of the Turks living in Switzerland did so... Something strange is going on inside the turkish/german community. As for Merkel... She has lost some support but she still seems to be the by far(!) strongest german politician leading the by far strongest party. Above 70% of Austrian Turks did as well. Well, many of the elder Turks in Germany don't know German anyway and probably don't care what German politician say about Erdogan at all. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10881 Posts
On June 25 2018 18:33 Aceace wrote: In 60's thousands of Turks migrated to Germany in their labour crisis. They weren't educated, they didn't even know German/English, they build their ghetto's and lived there for years.... They refused to integrate to Germany. (To be fair Turkish politicians were happy about that too.) Years later they see Erdogan. They don't know/care about Erdogan's authoritarian tendancy. They want Turkey to be "stronk" Its simple. Turks in Germany vote for leftist parties in Germany, vote for far right parties in Turkey. Unlike Germany, Switzerland didn't call unqualified workers. Generally white collars living and working in Switzerland. Switzerland called plenty of unqualified workers, but mainly Italians came (which also didn't integrate, but their children did) and our turkish minority is for a large part Kurdish. Which explains a lot. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Seatwise, IYI got a good 3-4% from both CHP and AKP but not so much from MHP. That was the most unexpected imo as literally party split in half to form IYI and also turned out to be the deciding factor. HDP breaking 10% barrier was crucial otherwise AKP wouldn't need MHP seats at all. | ||
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