European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread - Page 1135

On June 20 2018 09:38 IgnE wrote:


oh jesus christ learn to qualify yourself. how do you get up in the morning if every day is the same

On June 21 2018 01:27 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:

If anything you could compare them to the people living in trailer parks in the desert who wanna be left alone and shoot up meth.

On June 21 2018 02:29 Velr wrote:
No one that is neighboring Romas like them, they don't fit in our societies but leech of them in whatever way possible.
Comparing them to homeless people is really not fair to the homeless.

On June 21 2018 02:29 Velr wrote:
No one that is neighboring Romas like them, they don't fit in our societies but leech of them in whatever way possible.
Comparing them to homeless people is really not fair to the homeless.

On June 20 2018 08:21 Plansix wrote:
That just sounds like homeless people in the US if the city is stupid enough not to provide regular garbage pick up for whatever homeless community crops up. The homeless people normally respond by just dumping their garbage on the ground.

On June 21 2018 06:14 sc-darkness wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I say something about immigration, then I get a bunch of left-wing guys who attack me. Velr insults all or most Roma people, then he barely gets shit about it. Consistency, guys, consistency.

Italy's treatment of Roma people rooted in centuries-old prejudice

History of persecution includes enslavement, forced sterilisation and massacres

When Italy’s new government attacked the country’s Roma population, threatening to expel thousands from the country, they were tapping into centuries-old prejudices against the group.

Persecution of the Roma in Europe dates back at least several hundred years. The Council of Europe details including enslavement, forced sterilisation, separation from children and massacres.

Roma have Indian roots, and migrated slowly westwards over hundreds of years, appearing in historical records from Europe by the 14th century. Originally nomadic, though now settled in many areas, they were first targeted by European officials over 500 years ago.

“Roma were banned from the Holy Roman Empire in 1501 and, as of this date, could be caught and killed by any citizen,” the Council of Europe explains. In France less than two centuries later, Louis XIV ordered that all Gypsy men be condemned to forced labour for life without trial, women be sterilised and children be sent to poorhouses.

As the Enlightenment spread across Europe in the 18th century, Roma were among the many excluded.

Spain in 1749 launched an operation known as the “great Gypsy round-up”; Roma were enslaved in parts of what is now Romania until 1856. The Austro-Hungarian empire ran a fierce “assimilation” policy that involved separating children and parents, the Council of Europe explains.

Roma were among the targets of Nazi laws introduced in the 1930s, and Italy’s own fascist ethnic cleansing rules of the 1920s, and during the second world war hundreds of thousands were killed in massacres and at concentration camps.

The Roma even have their own word for the Holocaust of their people during the second world war, the . Although the exact death toll is not known, in some countries the killing wiped out up to 90% of the Roma population.

In the immediate aftermath of the war, many Roma concentration camp survivors were help and compensation. In the decades that followed, stigmatisation and discrimination has continued across much of Europe.

As late as the 1970s, Switzerland was taking children from their parents, arguing that they couldn’t educate them to be good citizens. A recent study in Britain found a huge rise in Romany and Traveller families having their children taken away, a trend blamed on institutional prejudice.

This decade alone they have been segregated in schools in Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia and databases or other surveys such as the one proposed in Italy are not unprecedented in other parts of Europe.

Last year a Swedish appeals court ruled that police should pay compensation after setting up an illegal database of Roma family trees that included several thousand people, many of them children, or individuals without any criminal record.

On June 20 2018 10:36 IgnE wrote:
that's borderline incoherent

On June 21 2018 07:26 iamthedave wrote:


No it isn't. I understood it perfectly. What about it do you find hard to follow?

On June 21 2018 08:39 IgnE wrote:


i didnt say it was hard to follow. its a fairly simple thought. i said it was incoherent, inconsistent, incongruous. starting from the proposition that everything is the same, plansix argues that human problems have "endless complexity," that is, infinite complexity. given that human beings are finite, it makes one wonder how any human can gain an instantaneous view of this infinite complexity. on the contrary, one is tempted to think that any human's finite view of "the endlessly complex" Situation is drastically limited, and by virtue of any person's unique perspective, fairly unique to them. so what makes them such a fool to think that their delimited situation is "unique" in comparison to this infinitely complex Situation and in what meaningful sense is any person's finite situation (ie some delimited perspective in the time and space of the Situation) "the same" as any other's? is it possible that plansix doesn't care about the words he's using? that he wants the homeless everywhere to be the same while being open to an "endless complexity" that might actually differentiate the homeless? what sense does he add then? nonsense? maybe he just adds simple phatic gestures of liberal belonging?

On June 21 2018 05:47 Plansix wrote:
The entire discussion stemmed from Italy’s plan to create a registry of Roma to deal with the “Roma question”. I’m not really confident that that registry will be based on culture, rather than ethnicity. Historically, that isn’t how these sort of things play out.

To the guy saying he knows Roma people and they are ok...do you realize this is like saying hey, I know an ISIS guy and he is really nice and caring, therefore there is no problem with ISIS. The fact that few people are good doesn't change the fact that Romas create problem everywhere they go. In fact, it just shows how there is no chance of redemption for them since good Romas are ostracized or dealt with violence by the majority.

What do I propose? Nothing, because I believe there is no solution anymore.