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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22451 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:01 SoSexy wrote: You see a soldier who can't do shit because Italy would be called facist if he did.m4ini, unfortunately your solution isn't helpful. In big cities like Rome there are soldiers stationed around hotspots (i.e. subway patrolling etc.) and you think of police as an infinite resource. It doesn't work like that. You put two soldiers there, they just move to another spot - you can't have policemen everywhere and for every person doing that kind of job, you would lose a policeman for another (perhaps more important) activity. Take a look at this video: + Show Spoiler + You see this shit? Teenagers slapping soldiers who can't do shit because God forbid if the girl gets hurt - then we would have the usual 'are soldiers fascist?' 'with Salvini, italy is turning into a fascist state' headlines. Get me out of here. I see a professional not escalating a situation that is in no way dangerous. Note how the video stops as the girls appear to be taken away with other, what looks like law enforcement, having arrived. Its easy to train people to violently subdue others, the trick is in knowing when to act and when to let tempers cool down. You know where your line of reasoning eventually leads to? American police killing unarmed people because 'fuck de-escalating'. | ||
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VHbb
692 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:01 SoSexy wrote: m4ini, unfortunately your solution isn't helpful. In big cities like Rome there are soldiers stationed around hotspots (i.e. subway patrolling etc.) and you think of police as an infinite resource. It doesn't work like that. You put two soldiers there, they just move to another spot - you can't have policemen everywhere and for every person doing that kind of job, you would lose a policeman for another (perhaps more important) activity. Take a look at this video: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGYhEykNHCE You see this shit? Teenagers slapping soldiers who can't do shit because God forbid if the girl gets hurt - then we would have the usual 'are soldiers fascist?' 'with Salvini, italy is turning into a fascist state' headlines. Get me out of here. I'd say that threatening a public figure of removing his escort because this public figure (who's under protection for his activity against Mafia) criticized Salvini himself, it is quite a fascist behavior. (not to mention, it is not in his power) Yes, Salvini behaves like a fascist. Just accept it, you can still agree with what he says you know? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:01 SoSexy wrote: m4ini, unfortunately your solution isn't helpful. In big cities like Rome there are soldiers stationed around hotspots (i.e. subway patrolling etc.) and you think of police as an infinite resource. It doesn't work like that. You put two soldiers there, they just move to another spot - you can't have policemen everywhere and for every person doing that kind of job, you would lose a policeman for another (perhaps more important) activity. Take a look at this video: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGYhEykNHCE You see this shit? Teenagers slapping soldiers who can't do shit because God forbid if the girl gets hurt - then we would have the usual 'are soldiers fascist?' 'with Salvini, italy is turning into a fascist state' headlines. Get me out of here. This soldier is clearly under the influence of the politically correct imposed by left-wing tyranny, given the situation of extreme violence he was facing two bullets in the head was the necessary and proportionate answer to restore Law and Order | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10152 Posts
On June 21 2018 21:01 SoSexy wrote: m4ini, unfortunately your solution isn't helpful. In big cities like Rome there are soldiers stationed around hotspots (i.e. subway patrolling etc.) and you think of police as an infinite resource. It doesn't work like that. You put two soldiers there, they just move to another spot - you can't have policemen everywhere and for every person doing that kind of job, you would lose a policeman for another (perhaps more important) activity. Take a look at this video: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGYhEykNHCE You see this shit? Teenagers slapping soldiers who can't do shit because God forbid if the girl gets hurt - then we would have the usual 'are soldiers fascist?' 'with Salvini, italy is turning into a fascist state' headlines. Get me out of here. Do you realize that the soldier slaps her, right? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On June 21 2018 23:02 Godwrath wrote: Do you realize that the soldier slaps her, right? Yeah, seems that way, so not sure what we were supposed to look at there. Man, I feel real bad for the trained professional soldier who got slapped by a teenage girl because he can’t hit her back. Because there is no other remedies beyond violence. Like, you know, assault charges. Give me a break. Jesus christ. This is not the US where you can throw kids into jail willy nilly as you wish. You can't prosecute a kid under age 14. That's precisely the reason why kids do the stealing, because even IF they get caught, the state can't do shit and has to let them go again. That's apart from the fact that this video doesn't seem to show what SoSexy thought it did, but it's an undeniable (in fact, proven) fact that Roma etc use children to break the law because you can't charge/punish them for minor offenses. The only thing this could lead to is the parents getting a letter to let them know that their kids are dickheads, which obviously is pointless since they're obviously the instigators, but can't be prosecuted for that either. Obviously, slapping the kid isn't the right response, the correct response would be to throw her into jail for 7 days and register her as an offender, with offenders being banned from public places. You ask for a break, but really, you should ask for some background on how things work outside your bubble. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 21 2018 23:20 m4ini wrote: Yeah, seems that way, so not sure what we were supposed to look at there. Jesus christ. This is not the US where you can throw kids into jail willy nilly as you wish. You can't prosecute a kid under age 14. That's precisely the reason why kids do the stealing, because even IF they get caught, the state can't do shit and has to let them go again. That's apart from the fact that this video doesn't seem to show what SoSexy thought it did, but it's an undeniable (in fact, proven) fact that Roma etc use children to break the law because you can't charge/punish them for minor offenses. The only thing this could lead to is the parents getting a letter to let them know that their kids are dickheads, which obviously is pointless since they're obviously the instigators, but can't be prosecuted for that either. Obviously, slapping the kid isn't the right response, the correct response would be to throw her into jail for 7 days and register her as an offender, with offenders being banned from public places. You ask for a break, but really, you should ask for some background on how things work outside your bubble. Those teenagers are not allowed the vote in the govement that you are advocating punish them. Most counties won’t allow them to enter contracts or be considered fully autonomous citizens until they reach adulthood. That is why criminal records for minors are sealed in the US. The state does not consider them fully accountable for their actions and limits the minors rights because of that. And that comes with the burden of having to deal with dysfunctional teens exploiting the system they have no hand in creating. That is what juvenile courts are for. Edit: outside my bubble? I worked in US court probation system. I saw juvenile cases too when I helped with that court. Teens have impulse control problems due to developing long term planning that doesn't real reach its peak until adulthood. Punishing a 14 year old with jail time a minor assault is not only counter productive, it is judicial malpractice. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10915 Posts
I don't know if it works like that if only the child is criminal and the parents don't actually neglect it tho. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Oh, just a reminder. Germany is a democratic country, apparently trying to get rid of a chancellor half a year after the election isn't even a problem anymore for the fascist right, as they are carried by the conservative mainstream media. Also, isn't there a third party in the German governing coalition? Someone remind me, but it's probably just some local conservative or liberal party that is happy just to be in power, right? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Furthermore, Eastern countries are not happy on the immigration front: Central European states to boycott Brussels migration meeting Leaders of the four central European Visegrad states announced Thursday they would not attend an informal meeting organised by EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to discuss migration policy. Speaking after a meeting of the leaders of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic in Budapest, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki described Sunday's meeting as "unacceptable", adding: "We are not going to attend, they want to re-heat a proposal that we've already rejected." His Hungarian counterpart Viktor Orban said that the meeting was "against the normal customs of the EU" and that the appropriate forum was the EU leaders' summit scheduled for next week. The four were joined at the summit by Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who has added his voice to calls for a tougher migration policy. (...) https://www.afp.com/en/news/205/central-european-states-boycott-brussels-migration-meeting-doc-16c9dh1 Can't wait to see the European Disunion in action next week. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10915 Posts
 .@Plansix: Yes, thats what i meant and its probably good that its hard to do for the state. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1963 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10915 Posts
I'm not against Romas in principle but wherever they turn up, problems turn up. There is like no solution, rich countries can easily deal with it but poor ones? Its a constant drain on society and it makes people angry for actually good readons. There is like no problem in switzerland, because if they turn up and missbehave they get sent away immediatly. This is not that easy in most of eastern europe.. Why we shouldn't be able to disrupt child marriages and organised crime is beyond me. Culture? Rofl. That are just worse cultures and forcing them to adjust isn't evil. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5837 Posts
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 22 2018 01:14 TheDwf wrote: Also, apparently Netherlands said that they were not too keen on that "eurozone budget" announced Tuesday. King Macron and Queen Merkel forgot that there are other people to convince in Europe... Furthermore, Eastern countries are not happy on the immigration front: https://www.afp.com/en/news/205/central-european-states-boycott-brussels-migration-meeting-doc-16c9dh1 Can't wait to see the European Disunion in action next week. I'm so glad the Visegrád Group exists to challenge western leaders who are for open borders. Summer 2015 was a horrible time that shouldn't be repeated. I regret my country doesn't have the balls to join them. Merkel's influence is too strong. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9319 Posts
On June 22 2018 01:14 TheDwf wrote: Also, apparently Netherlands said that they were not too keen on that "eurozone budget" announced Tuesday. King Macron and Queen Merkel forgot that there are other people to convince in Europe... Furthermore, Eastern countries are not happy on the immigration front: https://www.afp.com/en/news/205/central-european-states-boycott-brussels-migration-meeting-doc-16c9dh1 Can't wait to see the European Disunion in action next week. Netherlands and their hanseatic friends or V4+Austria are too small to block anything, so it seems like the disunity won't be too glaring during the summit. Unless Italy decides to put on a show, though that would be more about just Italy and less about the union as a whole. The balance of power in the EU is going to get even worse once the UK leaves, so if someone isn't content with following the Franco-German leadership, they better start preparing their own exit now. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:52 Sent. wrote: Netherlands and their hanseatic friends or V4+Austria are too small to block anything, so it seems like the disunity won't be too glaring during the summit. Unless Italy decides to put on a show, though that would be more about just Italy and less about the union as a whole. The balance of power in the EU is going to get even worse once the UK leaves, so if someone isn't content with following the Franco-German leadership, they better start preparing their own exit now. You don't have to win all fights to win the battle though. There just needs to be enough opposition. The Visegrád Group is a good start. | ||
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