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i'm from the philippines. i don't know if everyone here spanked their kids but i know my some of my friends got spanked like us. we're not the type to have ill feelings towards our parents because of it though(my bros and my friends). we laugh about it afterwards. can't say the same for the others. i don't remember seeing my cousins get spanked though and i never saw a girl get spanked.
my brothers and i got spanked when we were young when we did things we were told not to do and things we knew were bad and still did them anyway. in our case, we really deserved it and we didn't have ill feelings towards our parents. we sometimes even talk about it and count how many hits we got and who got more after crying. sometimes we try to make our dad laugh before he catches us when we know he's going to spank us. my little bro usually runs around the table and sometimes succeeds in making our dad laugh. it's not always fun and games though like one time when my older brother stole money.
i feel spanking us was a kinda good choice cause of our attitude. i think just only words won't work on us. we needed to know when we do something bad like when my grandfather spanked us(only once ever). he was a chill guy. he didn't care much when we were fighting using words at each other. but when we hit each other he became different, had the look and hit us enough that made us realize that hitting your brother is something that should never be done. he just said "you're brothers. don't ever hit each other again". now i'm older i know how important it is to have a great relationship with your family.
thinking about it now, if our dad didn't work abroad from when we were young, my older brother probably would be a different person than he is now. my mom just couldn't handle him alone and he got to do what he wanted. my older brother needed some beating. he is really BAD, i just don't want to share the exact things he did/does. we were actually honor students before my dad worked abroad.
we're all different of course. i know my older brother well enough that i know just words won't be enough. he needed a lot of beating in fact. even today. i want to beat the shit out of him sometimes but grandpa will get mad(rip).
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The laws are fucking absurd, kids have been hit, spanked, slapped, you name it, since the dawn of time, the laws are basically saying; "stop your timeless tradition".
We do have a problem, before you could hit the shit out of a kid to discipline him, he would have a bruise to remind that little shit what should or shouldn't be done, if he fucked up REALLY bad, papa Darwin took care of him before he could reproduce, thus ending the fail genes that made him behave; "hey I can close my eyes and try to run as fast as I can".
But back then kids could have just ran away from home, boys would learn a craft, girls would learn THE craft, problem solved, your offsprings are taken care of by society while being beneficiary members of the same, which worked out great for everyone.
Nowadays kids have nowhere to run to. That's the problem, every parent wants his kid to be a self-sufficient unit. To be able to take care of him/herself. However, the kid doesn't feel the need to leave if everything is served, so if you beat the shit out of him to enforce a parent-induced trauma, guess who's moving out into the real world. This isn't a 100% proven method, you may or may not create a serial murderer or just a guy with a really specific fetishes.
I mean if you don't to give me full control of this creature I made with my ballsacks, penis and a raging erection, then fuck you, I'm not making another taxpayer.
I don't always do things, but when I do I absolutely fucking hate it when my methods come under the microscope. Like if I'm legally obliged to take care of the kid until he's 18 + all of the restrictions.
In ancient times people had 7 children out of which 4 died and the other 3 eventually died but they got laid in the process, so it's legit. Nobody was sued for child abuse because that's how shit went down. You drink from a cow-shit infected pond and died? Ok, now my 6 brothers and sisters will know not to do that.
Bottom line; no progress without sacrifice.
TL;DR "No progress without sacrifice; you want to make an omelette, you gotta spank some kids to break the eggs for you"
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^lol.
Because an eye for an eye was a timeless tradition, we should still apply this rules too right?
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me and my bro would laugh at our mom when she spanked us because it didnt hurt lmao.
I think spanking is okay but beating your child is not. A slap on the buttocks stings but it wont break you inside.
All a 4 year old toddler can learn from a beating is fear and intimidation...
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On September 20 2014 23:45 Faust852 wrote:
^lol.
Because an eye for an eye was a timeless tradition, we should still apply this rules too right?
Eye for an eye is legit, not legal, but legitimate.
You wouldn't try to stab someone trying to stab you?
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On September 21 2014 00:02 Hexo_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 23:45 Faust852 wrote:
^lol.
Because an eye for an eye was a timeless tradition, we should still apply this rules too right? Eye for an eye is legit, not legal, but legitimate. You wouldn't try to stab someone trying to stab you?
I dont think self defense=eye for an eye...
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I have never spanked my kids, and I intend to keep it that way.
In my opinion, children stick to rules if they understand why the rules are there. Spanking will not teach them that. It will teach them a very basic cause-effect relationship between very specific unwanted behavior and the resulting punishment, but if they don't understand why the rules are there, they will engage in very similar unwanted behavior without realizing that there will be a punishment for that as well. I feel that spanking causes a rule-by-force role for the parent, and that rewards doing stuff behind the parents' back. The last thing I'd want is a kid that behaves *when his parents are around*.
On September 20 2014 15:47 Passion wrote:
Have fun endlessly debating with your kids.
I believe in debating instead of punishment. In fact, me and my son have fun debating rules occasionally 
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It's interesting to see that Europe is the only region with more "no" votes. I didn't expect so much spanking in North America, thought our regions would have similar results because of cultural similarities.
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On September 21 2014 00:04 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2014 00:02 Hexo_ wrote:On September 20 2014 23:45 Faust852 wrote:
^lol.
Because an eye for an eye was a timeless tradition, we should still apply this rules too right? Eye for an eye is legit, not legal, but legitimate. You wouldn't try to stab someone trying to stab you? I dont think self defense=eye for an eye...
Don't get all smartass on me... The definition is (basically): A counteraction that is equal to an action.
Applies to everything.
I stab you, you stab me
I fuck your wife, you fuck my wife
I smear shit and piss all over your face, you smear shit and piss all over my face.
Ta-dah
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Yeah I got spanked.
Get the fuck over it
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On September 20 2014 21:54 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 21:40 YourGoodFriend wrote:On September 20 2014 21:16 Crushinator wrote:On September 20 2014 21:04 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Spanking should never be intended to cause harm, it should always be done lightly and without anger and never with your hand (your children should never fear your hands). The point and purpose of spanking is a reminder that choices have consequences but it should never be to cause pain.
I was spanked as a child. My parents would tell me to go to my room, then they would come in and explain what I did wrong and ask if I understood (usually I was crying at this point) they they had a piece of wood like the size of a ruler and would lightly spank my butt with it. Afterwards they would explain that they loved me and would hold me while I cried. I honestly think the scenario you described is incredibly abusive, just sick really. The thing about about children not fearing your hands is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard, and what is the point of spanking if it doesn't cause pain? What? Of course you don't want your child to fear you, I specifically said hands because your not going to spank with your face are you? Also I believe I said what the point is, to teach that things have consequence. And pray tell how is it abusive? On the contrary it is the exact opposite. I get that you don't want your child to fear you, that is why you shouldn't physically abuse them at all. Using your hand or an object isn't going to make a difference, no child fears their parents hands, they fear their parents abillity and willingness to hurt them. Which is why you cried when you knew your parents were going to hurt you. So what do kids learn when you spank them without causing pain? Do something bad and the consequence is something you don't give a shit about? Obviously spanking IS done to cause pain, the pain and humiliation is the punishment.
Well there is pain and there is pain. The OP describes drawing blood and that is waaaaaaay over the line. A proper spanking stings, maybe reddens, but is not leaving a mark. To me the synonym is 'paddling.' If the synonym is 'beating,' you're doing it wrong. The advantage of proper spanking (rarely used, mind you) is that it is short and sharp. Rather than dragging out the corrective action with groundings and bannings of this or that fun thing. And of course talking and explanations- any form of corrective action ought to explain the reason for it. The dividing line between pro and anti spanking is not also the division between parents willing to talk with their children and cavemen incapable of speech, and beat their children as a result. (Although unfortunately, there are many abusive parents who do latch onto 'spare the rod' and pro-spanking as licence to beat their children.)
Furthermore, spanking (I believe) cannot be effective without a healthy relationship as a foundation. My dad's priorities were always wife, then children, then work. And we knew that well. In that context, you do not live in fear or resentment. But you do not lip mom when dad is not home...
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I have never been spanked and i would never ever spank i child.
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My dad got the vacuum cord or the belt from his dad. I merely got a bare hand only a few times I can remember. It was honestly the anticipation that was the worst. I also learned not to laugh when your mom tries it, because then she will call your dad, and you'll feel like an idiot for making that happen.
I was unsure what to think when I read about Adrian Peterson. The articles simply didn't mention that his boy bled, they said some vague things about the boy being injured. I'm still torn on whether he deserves the criminal charges. In general, it feels way too easy for nosy neighbors and other people sticking their noses where they don't belong to call social services and screw up a family. I actually had a friend in high school whose baby sibling was taken from the family for a few months because it fell off the couch.
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I was spanked on a very, very rare occasion. It was kind of that "ultimate" punishment, it never really hurt very much but it was always usually that final step kind of thing.
I'm not sure how necessary it is, though I usually think along the lines of "theres a time and place for everything..."
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On September 20 2014 23:31 Hexo_ wrote:
The laws are fucking absurd, kids have been hit, spanked, slapped, you name it, since the dawn of time, the laws are basically saying; "stop your timeless tradition".
We do have a problem, before you could hit the shit out of a kid to discipline him, he would have a bruise to remind that little shit what should or shouldn't be done, if he fucked up REALLY bad, papa Darwin took care of him before he could reproduce, thus ending the fail genes that made him behave; "hey I can close my eyes and try to run as fast as I can".
But back then kids could have just ran away from home, boys would learn a craft, girls would learn THE craft, problem solved, your offsprings are taken care of by society while being beneficiary members of the same, which worked out great for everyone.
Nowadays kids have nowhere to run to. That's the problem, every parent wants his kid to be a self-sufficient unit. To be able to take care of him/herself. However, the kid doesn't feel the need to leave if everything is served, so if you beat the shit out of him to enforce a parent-induced trauma, guess who's moving out into the real world. This isn't a 100% proven method, you may or may not create a serial murderer or just a guy with a really specific fetishes.
I mean if you don't to give me full control of this creature I made with my ballsacks, penis and a raging erection, then fuck you, I'm not making another taxpayer.
I don't always do things, but when I do I absolutely fucking hate it when my methods come under the microscope. Like if I'm legally obliged to take care of the kid until he's 18 + all of the restrictions.
In ancient times people had 7 children out of which 4 died and the other 3 eventually died but they got laid in the process, so it's legit. Nobody was sued for child abuse because that's how shit went down. You drink from a cow-shit infected pond and died? Ok, now my 6 brothers and sisters will know not to do that.
Bottom line; no progress without sacrifice.
TL;DR "No progress without sacrifice; you want to make an omelette, you gotta spank some kids to break the eggs for you"
we are the smartest, most civilized, less violent, most sophisticated generation of men that ever walked on earth. every generation before us was complete and utter shit compared to us. that includes our grand parents, grand grand parents and everyone before them and in due time, even our parents will be nothing more than vile barbarians from a time long gone. if something is done for hundreds of years, its very likely stupid and flat out bad.
that works as a general compass in life too. if you are about to do / say something your grand parents would have done too, dont do it, because it is most likely harmful to the cause.
that being said:
as someone mentioned obedience, i wonder how many people who aprove spanking think that obedience is a valuable lesson and positive value for children? because i think there might be another rather large cultural gap here. in germany (and i think in other west european countries as well) obedience is seen as something bad. its seen as something autocratic and should not be taught at all. and when obedience is out of the picture, its very hard to find a good reasoning for punishment.
this thread got me thinking and i can not remember any instance where i was punished. i mean, i didnt do like completely stupid shit but i was still a normal child.
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On September 20 2014 23:31 Hexo_ wrote:
The laws are fucking absurd, kids have been hit, spanked, slapped, you name it, since the dawn of time, the laws are basically saying; "stop your timeless tradition".
We do have a problem, before you could hit the shit out of a kid to discipline him, he would have a bruise to remind that little shit what should or shouldn't be done, if he fucked up REALLY bad, papa Darwin took care of him before he could reproduce, thus ending the fail genes that made him behave; "hey I can close my eyes and try to run as fast as I can".
But back then kids could have just ran away from home, boys would learn a craft, girls would learn THE craft, problem solved, your offsprings are taken care of by society while being beneficiary members of the same, which worked out great for everyone.
Nowadays kids have nowhere to run to. That's the problem, every parent wants his kid to be a self-sufficient unit. To be able to take care of him/herself. However, the kid doesn't feel the need to leave if everything is served, so if you beat the shit out of him to enforce a parent-induced trauma, guess who's moving out into the real world. This isn't a 100% proven method, you may or may not create a serial murderer or just a guy with a really specific fetishes.
I mean if you don't to give me full control of this creature I made with my ballsacks, penis and a raging erection, then fuck you, I'm not making another taxpayer.
I don't always do things, but when I do I absolutely fucking hate it when my methods come under the microscope. Like if I'm legally obliged to take care of the kid until he's 18 + all of the restrictions.
In ancient times people had 7 children out of which 4 died and the other 3 eventually died but they got laid in the process, so it's legit. Nobody was sued for child abuse because that's how shit went down. You drink from a cow-shit infected pond and died? Ok, now my 6 brothers and sisters will know not to do that.
Bottom line; no progress without sacrifice.
TL;DR "No progress without sacrifice; you want to make an omelette, you gotta spank some kids to break the eggs for you"
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Can't tell if serious or not, but I had a real blast reading thru.
Me and my girlfriend (just askd) never got spanked as childs.
Oh and since I was never that stupid to get caught; my brother did real bad shit and never got spanked.
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hmm this is a hard one for me. I don't remember if I was spanked or not, maybe once or twice at best? Not even sure if that's right either lol so it might be none. If I was spanked though, it was probably really light just to get the point across so it was never really painful or anything.
I do recall once, just once having to eat some really hot spice as punishment for something I did. Don't recall what I did though but was a one time thing. It set me straight if I needed it lol though I was a goody two shoes as a kid since I listened but was just really energetic 
I think a little spanking (read: 1-2 quick slap on the butt for example) is fine so long as its reserved for bad situation, to teach the child. If you go to the point where the child is bleeding like in that article in the OP, that's way too extreme T.T The idea of spanking or any form of punishment is to teach that child that what they did is wrong so a little spanking is fine imo. No spoons or belts etc... those are just too painful and excessive imo.
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On September 21 2014 00:10 Hexo_ wrote:
I stab you, you stab me
I fuck your wife, you fuck my wife
I smear shit and piss all over your face, you smear shit and piss all over my face.
Ta-dah
it's a date.
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haha that vote, europe vs rest of the world :D
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Only once. I was being a little shit and telling my dad that I wasn't gonna put my toys away when I was like 3. I don't even remember it, it's just been told to me.
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