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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
I'm so glad my childhood is long gone. Edit: As per the discussion, I think that spanking is--like anything--a tool, and completely circumstantial. I don't judge Adrian Peterson or anyone else for beating their kids: it's their kid. None of my business. If / when I have kids, I'm not going to spank them unless they severely shit the bed (so to speak), and my wife agrees. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32098 Posts
Anyone even starting to defend what Adrian Peterson did is a fundamentally broken human being. Spanking isn't even in the same realm as that. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On September 21 2014 02:05 jeeeeohn wrote: I was spanked a few times. The only time I remember is when I was trying to fall asleep, and my overactive imagination conjured up some kind of army (a very tiny one) or some shit crawling over my bed sheets. So my father tells me to stop crying and go to sleep, but I thought I was losing my fucking mind, because holy shit was that Stonewall Jackson riding on horseback across my pillow? So he came upstairs and spanked me. Cause and effect I guess. I'm so glad my childhood is long gone. Edit: As per the discussion, I think that spanking is--like anything--a tool, and completely circumstantial. I don't judge Adrian Peterson or anyone else for beating their kids: it's their kid. None of my business. If / when I have kids, I'm not going to spank them unless they severely shit the bed (so to speak), and my wife agrees. I would feel the need to do something if I became aware that a child is being abused... | ||
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N1mrod
Germany64 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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MF_Icy
Sweden99 Posts
You should be friends with your parents. They shouldn't be these scary authority figures who you follow out of fear or forced respect. My parents have always been logical and friendly with me, and talked to me as equals. But I understand that some kids might just be terrible people, and you can't use this approach because they won't reciprocate the sentiment. In general though, I don't think any sort of corporal punishment is a good thing, even if it's just "gentle spanking". | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On September 21 2014 02:35 N1mrod wrote: The polls surprise me a lot. I never thought that beating your child is that common in america and the difference to europe is that huge. I was never beaten by my parents and I will call the police on anyone who does. I am glad its a crime in germany. I don't think that people would consider a spanking, being beaten. i personally have gotten the wooden spoon before, and i don't think it really left any negative effects other than the fact that I wouldnt consider doing what I had done to receive the punishment ever again lol however, if you beat the child until he's bruised and has welts, that's where a line is being crossed | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
I think it was okay and I deserved it but I would definitely call the cops if the parents spank the kid so hard that it's bleeding and I also think something in your parenting style is wrong if spanking is a regular thing. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
If you actually look at the studies Huffpost, NYTimes, etc all are quoting and posting, you'll find that almost 100% of them were funded by DRUG FIRMS or large corporations in the medical or psychological industries with vested interests in the outcomes that could mean a whole new market opening up for them to sell drugs to. You also will find that while they pick 1400-1600 subjects in some of the larger studies, they only picked 20 people as a "control". Such a large disparity only skews the results by putting a great deal more people on one side than the other. It also must be noted that the 1400-1600 that were "beaten as children" had to meet the following criteria: -Beaten for at least 3 sustained years or longer during childhood -All incidents were public or became public in the duration of the corporal punishment -All incidents involved medium to large objects. That last one there? "medium to large" objects is further-explained to be full-sized chairs, baseball bats and kitchen/household appliances! WHAT THE HELL!? How do these people deem it unnecessary to clarify that their study was not a child who acted out and ignored verbal warnings and was therefore delivered a private in-home spanking that lasts only 5-10 strikes (most don't even do more than 2-3) but 100% public beatings with loud public verbal insults and finally almost all the time involving large objects instead of hands! You can't even debate how ridiculous this massive omission of data is! Scientifically, those facts alone would discredit these studies entirely. So in other words, there are no definitive non-biased non-corporate-funded correctly-executed truly "scientific" studies done on any of this! If the anti-spanking side had the decency to not lie about this so openly on a massive scale, I might entertain the idea. However when I find one side is being honest but looks bad publicly because the other is wildly blown out of proportion by the mass media and lies, I'm going to go with my own experiences instead of liars. The dividing line must be made so that they understand that people who were spanked and yelled at for discipline in their homes as children are in a completely different category and situation than those who are publicly humiliated and beaten with large objects until welts and a good amount of blood is drawn. Stop lumping "beatings" in the same category. Any sensible human would know better unless they're just stupid as fuck. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
Needless to say I haven't spoken to my mother in quite a long time. If I have children I won't be using corporal punishment at all. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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skypig
United States237 Posts
 , and we definitely needed it. My mom would usually spank us with a wooden spoon or a little switch. When we got to a certain age (I think past 12 or something), my parents stopped the spanking, and replaced it with grounding (they would either ban us from playing the computer, or from going outside), because we didn't care that much about being spanked anymore.Also, to all the people who think that spanking = "beating your children"...get a life and wake up, LOL. This is one of the stupidest straw-man arguments I've ever heard. As others have already said, there's a difference between slapping your kid on the backside with a spoon/open hand a few times, and beating them with a bat/whip/chair to the point that they're cut and bleeding. The first one is called discipline, the second one is called over-the-top violence/brutality. If you can't differentiate between these, you don't belong on the Internet, much less in this thread. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i fought back when my sister tried with a broom, then i got spanked x2. (i was very troublesome kid) everyone in class had their palms hit with a ruler for those that didnt do homework, the classroom president was hit more to take responsibility. i've never been hit with a fist while growing up from grown ups. fist is another matter. its definitely a cultural thing, like, i had no idea you can train dogs without hitting them until i had a white roommate raising a puppy. was quiet a culture shock when i compared it to methods my mother used. been scolding my mother ever since. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
On September 20 2014 20:17 Squat wrote: There are absolutely arguments to be made that using physical violence as a form of punishment is objectively worse than banning them from using the internet for the weekend. Everything we know about human psychology is reducible to bio-chemistry, neurology and how it operates in the brain. At some point, I strongly suspect it will be perfectly compatible with science to say that beating one's children is objectively bad for them, and for the parents as well. Can you offer an example of what kind of neuroscience observation could possibly lead to this conclusion? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On September 21 2014 03:43 nbaker wrote: Can you offer an example of what kind of neuroscience observation could possibly lead to this conclusion? http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx Summary: Corporal punishment definitely doesn't do any good, the chance that it's harmful is very high. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
But it is also not as bad as some people make it out to be. I was spanked as a child. But I also remember a few times I was asked if I wanted a spanking or having to clean up the kitchen as punishment for some shit I did. I chose the spanking. So really it can not have been that bad, it was a punishment like any other. Also parents can abuse their children without ever using physical violence. Just think of Franz Kafka who was traumatized by the verbal abuse he received from his father, even though he was never touched by him. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
On September 21 2014 03:47 Nyxisto wrote: http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx Summary: Corporal punishment definitely doesn't do any good, the chance that it's harmful is very high. This study is behavioral, which I think is much more likely to be informative about the effects of corporal punishment. I can't think of any way looking at brain anatomy or brain chemistry would be meaningful. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On September 21 2014 03:43 nbaker wrote: Can you offer an example of what kind of neuroscience observation could possibly lead to this conclusion? http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/feb/13/childhood-abuse-growth-brain-emotions http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Debunking-corporal-punishment-myth-1-Spanking-children-for-discipline-does-no-harm-20131119 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-me-in-we/201202/how-spanking-harms-the-brain http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/06/27/peds.2011-2947.full.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2896871/ There's tonnes more, but that is a passable start. I'll try to find some more extensive material for tomorrow. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
On September 20 2014 13:59 Pontius Pirate wrote: As a child? No. FOX news at it's finest. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
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