EPTI didn't read anything about why you are depressed in your post. Do you know why?
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badteeth
Netherlands1416 Posts
I didn't read anything about why you are depressed in your post. Do you know why? | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On October 24 2006 15:27 ))(())(( wrote: [removed quote within quote] and what out of you quoted isnt true? korea is known to have high academic standards. they all have to join the military and they have a fucking dmz smack across the middle of it, with a now nuclear-capable psychopath above them. thats not living in fear? off my nuts. nothing is this post has been anything but truths. youve really proven you know more then me buddy. i didnt jump on any bandwagon, i simply pointed out that the kid is an idiot and has no clue what hes talking about. maybe you feel the need to be popular in the e-community, but to me, its just passing time during the work day. sorry i took the limelight off you, ok? you can go back to being mr. popular now. You have no clue what you're talking about. Don't make judgements about Korea when you don't know anything. Yes, we have a DMZone. Yes, we have high academic standards. Yes, we have to join the military. No, we are not living in fear. It is simply a difference in life. We understand that high academic expectations are for the betterment of us. You have no idea, since you have not lived this life. You're just in awe at how strict Asian parents are compared to American ones. Our parents aren't crazy, they don't hate us. They want us to be better people in life. Going to the military isn't a punishment. Everyone has to do it. People aren't afraid to go, it's not like we're going to war. Don't make rash judgements on things that you have no idea about. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On October 24 2006 15:27 ))(())(( wrote: [removed quote within quote] and what out of you quoted isnt true? korea is known to have high academic standards. they all have to join the military and they have a fucking dmz smack across the middle of it, with a now nuclear-capable psychopath above them. thats not living in fear? off my nuts. nothing is this post has been anything but truths. youve really proven you know more then me buddy. i didnt jump on any bandwagon, i simply pointed out that the kid is an idiot and has no clue what hes talking about. maybe you feel the need to be popular in the e-community, but to me, its just passing time during the work day. sorry i took the limelight off you, ok? you can go back to being mr. popular now. are you serious? so all koreans are scared of dying, and the academic stress makes them depressed. military service scars them, so they get fucked up there too just like everybody in countries like taiwan where military service also certainly causes depression? they get no benefit from the discipline and better opportunities from higher education? while in america we're all fine because we have shitty education, increasing amounts of homeless people, unhealthy eating habits, terrible political issues, and hatred in the eyes of the rest of the world? you are fucking ignorant, i don't even know where you get the nerve to post. try asking a korean, any korean anywhere if anything you've said is right and come back here and pm me apologizing after you get face trounced. | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 24 2006 15:26 WhatisProtoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] Sure, I agree to that much... But you know, psychology is not the biological study of the brain, it is the study of the brain through hypothesis of behavior (like phenotypes vs. genotypes). It is the attempt to explain why a human acts a certain way. Unlike chemistry and biology, psychology is mostly based on observational theory. The best answers are from controlled experiments. If you actually know anything about psychology (which I don't think you do.... since you don't sound like you've taken a college-level psych class), you would know that "new" diseases are being created. And some psychologists believe that the pharmaceutical industry almost "creates" new diseases to match their products. One easy example is: social anxiety disorder. Didn't you know that most anti-depressant drugs were placebos? Once a patient loses faith in them, the drug does not work. Just google "antidepressant + placebo" and you will see the massive debate over the placebo effect of anti-depressants. It's a pharmaceutical industry thing, for the most part. I do agree that there are some people who cannot get over depression as easily as other. I do accept the notion that people, if left alone, will be chronically depressed. I also acknowledge that there is lots of doubt in the area of clinical depression itself. I accept the fact that studies have shown lower levels of neurotransmitters for clinically depressed people. However, I also know that healthy people are known to have shown lower levels of seretonin when depressed for a short period of time. Yes, the mental change in the body does reflect in the number of neurotransmitters which are functioning. But that statistic does not change between the "clinically depressed" and the temporarily depressed people. Clinically depressed ones just might have the "wrong attitude", but that's just a random thought. The ONE thing I absolutely believe in is that brain dieases could very well cause depression. That is the one thing that is absolute and clinically correct. Parkinsons', M.S.... But that is a side-effect of the brain damage. But that shouldn't be called "clinical depression." It should be called what it really is: brain damage, or specifically "Parkinsons'", "MS", or some other neuro-related disease. I just see it as: Physical Disorder vs. Social Disorder _______________ I know I'm talking too much on this thread..... but it's a matter that is very close to me. Coming from Korea, I had never considered depression and laughed at friends who would be depressed. But after taking friends to the mental clinic and learning about this, I feel somewhat strongly on this matter. i know what pyschology is, i majored in it for two years. yes, there are psychologists who believe that the pharm industry creates new diseases. and in a sense, yes, they are right. sad is a good example of that. however, like any science, its constantly being studied, tested and retested. im sure there are some people who truly do have some kind of social disorder that is not correctable by therapy alone. however, its like add, every single person that might possibly fall into that category gets handed a persciption right away. there are good psychologists and bad ones, just like doctors. ive seen/heard of idiots supposedly 'diagnosing' a patient with a mental disorder in under 20 or 30 minutes. i dont care how good you are, thats simply not possible. thats an example of a dumbass dr., probably the ones who are handing out aderol perscriptions like candy. as for plecebos, you can make anything into a placebo. many psychologists will actually do this to determine if the person truly has a condition, or if they are manifesting it in their head. depression can come in many forms, and it could be just depression, or it could be a symptom of soemthing much worse. i dont doubt this at all. one of the first things you learn in psych is how dificult it can be to diagnose stuff, esp depression. this is why i told the thread started to go to psych asap. its better to be safe then sorry. what your saying about seretonin is a decent argument, im sure if you dig aroudn o nthe subject, you can find many cases that support clinical depression. my friends sister was a brilliant student, all the advanced classes, popular girl, always busy with sports, etc. however, no one knew she was clinically depressed. she was 9 years old and had been this way since about 6 or 7. her journal entries showed this, because her parents found it out with one of the pages talking about planning her suicide. at that age, you dont just hit a bump in the road that puts you in a funk and makes you thin kabout suicide, esp for that long. thats clinical depression stemming from a lack of seretonin. defintely dead on about brain diseases causing depression. even other diseases can cause that. my dad had hodskins disease about 4 years ago and became clinically depressed a few months in and is just starting to come around now with treatment. the reason i attacked you was because you said it straight up doesnt exist in korea, which was just a flat out dumb statement to say, esp for someone who apparently has a decent head on their shoulders. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
And you haven't proved that you actually know anything about psychology. Placebos aren't proven to distinguish between a clinically depressed patient and a temporarily depressed patient. Once my friend found out that she had been taking placebos, her condition just kept getting "worse". And that's just probably because she lost faith in the drugs that were being given to her. The problem with psychology is that it is a observational science. It cannot create absolute truths in the current state that it is in. And, I still stand by my initial statement. In Korea, many people don't even know what depression is. There is no "time" for depression. And it is called "불경기", and basically clinics for 불경기 are sucicide-prevention hospitals. Because, you either aren't depressed, or suicidal from stress. Which I think is almost ridiculous as well, since there isn't much of a middle ground, but whatever. That's how it is in Korea. | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 24 2006 15:39 intrigue wrote: [removed quote within quote] are you serious? so all koreans are scared of dying, and the academic stress makes them depressed. military service scars them, so they get fucked up there too just like everybody in countries like taiwan where military service also certainly causes depression? they get no benefit from the discipline and better opportunities from higher education? while in america we're all fine because we have shitty education, increasing amounts of homeless people, unhealthy eating habits, terrible political issues, and hatred in the eyes of the rest of the world? you are fucking ignorant, i don't even know where you get the nerve to post. try asking a korean, any korean anywhere if anything you've said is right and come back here and pm me apologizing after you get face trounced. 1. dipshit, i never once said that america all fine and dandy. i can see with my own eyes how fucked our society is. i dont need your dumbass shoving words down my throat, ok? 2. i never once said all koreans are in fear, or any of that shit. i was simply insinuating that it can most certainly contribute to depression, which protoss said doesnt exist. but certainly, if there was absolutely no element of fear, there wouldnt be a fucking dmz, there wouldnt be talks with the north about not havign a nuke. | ||
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 24 2006 15:57 WhatisProtoss wrote: Placebos aren't proven to distinguish between a clinically depressed patient and a temporarily depressed patient. Once my friend found out that she had been taking placebos, her condition just kept getting "worse". And that's just probably because she lost faith in the drugs that were being given to her. a temporarily depressed patient would 'get better'. a clincally one wouldnt, their levels would be off. they might get temporary relief, but the chemical imbalance is stil lthere. seretonin production isnt right. i dont see how i dont know shit aobut psychology, but whatever, its not like really matters whether u beleive it or not. i agree with that post because, for the most part, what you said there was correct. i disagreed with your original post about depression being non-existant and your ideology. | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
On October 24 2006 16:06 intrigue wrote: so basically you were stating the obvious, again. but managing to sound like an idiot while you did so. good job! couldnt have been so obvious if protoss didnt think it exsisted eh? guess you forgot about that? | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On October 24 2006 16:09 ))(())(( wrote: [removed quote within quote] couldnt have been so obvious if protoss didnt think it exsisted eh? guess you forgot about that? I don't think he really cared about what I was saying, so it doesn't matter what I say. The way you were making your points wase insulting. And I acknowledge it's existence, just not as a failsafe physical disorder. Like I said, it is more of a social disorder than a provable physical disease. | ||
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
i haven't been reading whatisprotoss' posts because the rancid stupidity in yours is too much so don't involve me with him. if you want to keep this up pm me or just let it go. i'm sick of looking at this thread and any reply you make to this that's not a pm will just mean you're a fucking pussy. | ||
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j0ehoe
United States2705 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36388 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On October 24 2006 16:30 Hot_Bid wrote: page 5 of this thread so far is like the special olympics Hahahhaaa, the quality of the posts is quickly going downwards..... I guess this is good timing to stop posting. ^_^;; | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2132 Posts
On October 24 2006 16:19 WhatisProtoss wrote: [removed quote within quote] I don't think he really cared about what I was saying, so it doesn't matter what I say. The way you were making your points wase insulting. And I acknowledge it's existence, just not as a failsafe physical disorder. Like I said, it is more of a social disorder than a provable physical disease. Truth. Clinical depression doesnt JUST stem from a chemical imbalance. This is certainly the cause in some cases, but not everyone suffers from a chemical imbalance and still get diagnosed with clinical depression. If you meet certain criterias (sad, depressed mood, dont eat right, hate self, etc etc) you have "clinical depression." In US, its pretty much accepted. There are commercials that spew out crap to make you believe you are depressed and you have to take medication. In many cases, a different environment and attitude could probably have prevented it. Things like father abusing the shit outa you, neglecting mother, and having no friends are all societal. These kinds of problems are not as prevalent in Korea. The social and cultural differences accounts for the difference in depression rates. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
i suggest you read this. http://www.springerlink.com/content/ql0262642l26kg28/ funny thing it says there are more korean adolescents that are depressed due to the intensive studying and lack of leisure activities. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/health/main524231.shtml "South Korea, for example, a recent survey said 67 percent of parents admitted whipping their children to discipline them, and 45 percent reported hitting, kicking or beating them, the report said. " National Statistical Office reported that 26.1 out of every 100,000 South Koreans committed suicide last year. Why are koreans suiciding if they "Dont have time to get depressed" | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On October 24 2006 17:27 CultureMisfits wrote: I can't believe someone thinks that clinical depression is non existent in their country. Jesus Christ what a dumb fuck. I dont need to live there, to know that there is depressed koreans in your society, its just fucking common sense. Sure, MAYBE it is lower percentage than america. But it is irrational to think its non existent. i suggest you read this. http://www.springerlink.com/content/ql0262642l26kg28/ funny thing it says there are more korean adolescents that are depressed due to the intensive studying and lack of leisure activities. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/03/health/main524231.shtml "South Korea, for example, a recent survey said 67 percent of parents admitted whipping their children to discipline them, and 45 percent reported hitting, kicking or beating them, the report said. " National Statistical Office reported that 26.1 out of every 100,000 South Koreans committed suicide last year. Why are koreans suiciding if they "Dont have time to get depressed" I believe I already addressed these points. And, it's just a difference of culture. Americans don't discipline their kids, so Asian children naturally turn out to be more obedient and disciplined. Depression is more widely accepted in the US, because the influence of pharmeceuticals is stronger and social diseases are more abundant. Many of these "social disorders" center around not being able to control kids (ADHD). You'll be surprised at how many people don't know what depression is around here. "Isn't that just an excuse? How can it be a disease? It's probably just an excuse to get out of doing work." That is a common response among my friends. Depression has much US support since the US has created a wide range of propaganda and "study" for it. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
And no... most social disorders are formed through physical/emotional/sexual abuse and neglect. I do believe koreans score pretty high in the physical abuse area. ADHD is usually argued that you are born with it, and not due to the effect of improper parenting. Although one might argue that alcohol and tobacco during pregnancy cause ADHD. So what depression is more widely accepted. It shows we are trying to do something about it rather than keeping it to ourselfs like you koreans appear to do. It doesnt mean you are not affected by it. | ||
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Sadist
United States7298 Posts
Dont become an EMO kid i mean really, if you keep yourself busy it can be a) productive and b)maybe help you get over it dont sit there and be idle, make everything a task and be productive | ||
KwarK
United States43350 Posts
On an unrelated note, I just love the way WhatIsProtoss goes pyscho if anyone else ever speaks about Korea. And the way he speaks for all of Korea. It makes me want to provoke him. | ||
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