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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 16 2014 07:28 GMT
#481
I find cardio to be entirely overrated. An exercise regime with progressive overload will have your body continue to burn calories for up to 72 hours after the fact.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 16 2014 08:06 GMT
#482
It's not even only about burning calories.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
July 16 2014 09:46 GMT
#483
On July 16 2014 16:05 Butterz wrote:
Can someone tell me the simplest ( i mean very simple ) exercises or something . You can post a link maybe. I think i should be careful now. I dont exercise and sometimes eat alot.


As others have said, the simplest solution is getting a bike. If it is less than 1km away, walk there. If it is less than 5 km away, bike there. Always. No excuses. Bäm free exercise.

If you want something that feels more exercise-y, you can train a pretty good set of muscles doing a combination of situps, pushups, pullups/weights for biceps, and squats.
Icapica
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland206 Posts
July 16 2014 10:31 GMT
#484
On July 16 2014 16:05 Butterz wrote:
Can someone tell me the simplest ( i mean very simple ) exercises or something . You can post a link maybe. I think i should be careful now. I dont exercise and sometimes eat alot.

Cardio has been suggested already so I won't talk about that. If you're interested in some other kind of exercise, I recommend checking this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/25kxq1/just_get_started_guide/

There's links to bodyweight training programs with good explanations for everything. The simple routine takes something around 30-45 minutes to do and only requires a pull-up bar or something else where you can do rows or pull-ups. A sturdy table can work fine for rows. I've done it for a few weeks and I've noticed significant development, now I'm moving on to the intermediate beginner program. The good thing about those links is that they offer clear progression paths and also beginner level exercises that should be fine for anyone regardless of how weak or strong they are. If the wall handstand feels too intimidating, it can be skipped at least in the beginning.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 16 2014 18:23 GMT
#485
On July 16 2014 16:05 Butterz wrote:
Can someone tell me the simplest ( i mean very simple ) exercises or something . You can post a link maybe. I think i should be careful now. I dont exercise and sometimes eat alot.


Motivation is the problem, almost anything will work, even the most retarded program/activity done consistently and pushing hard will yield great results (like crossfit :p)

So start trying stuff (biking, weight lifting, rock climbing, other sports) and find one you like.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 16 2014 21:52 GMT
#486
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)
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Magggrig
Profile Joined January 2014
56 Posts
July 16 2014 22:02 GMT
#487
On July 16 2014 10:24 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2014 10:20 Magggrig wrote:
On May 29 2014 22:12 MrTortoise wrote:
I AM overweight atm ... my bmi now is lower than when i was 18 and ran half marathons.

I strongly suspect this whoel food is expensive thing to be bs

What is really likely is that food has been artificially segmented into cheap average and good. As a result 'food' is shit by default and so normal costs more.

Its turned into marketing when in reality it should be illegal to sell people sub standard bullshit that has been fed waste from antibiotic production to artificially induce huge amounts of weight gain.

All it has done is put legitimate producers of food tthat do not operate on gigantic scale out of business.

Agreed

On July 16 2014 06:22 Ghostcom wrote:
Men don't have to read the magazines. The magazines are selling to women who wants to be attractive to men and thus the looks of the models will be dictated by what men find attractive.

The way the tipical model look, dress, the makeup, all of that is so repulsive.

http://media.june.fr/article-1828785-ajust_930/elle-manage-ses-talents-a-la-perfection.jpg

This for example, just what the fuck, it is not attractive at all but yet it is considered attractive :s


I bet if you saw this person in a bar you would find her very attractive.

Maybe but the picture isn't.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 16 2014 22:28 GMT
#488
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
July 16 2014 22:36 GMT
#489
It's also pretty irrelevant in this case.

Basically, the main point is not what exercise you should do, but actually doing any at all. It doesn't matter if you bike, walk, lift weights, run, do karate, skateboard, mudwrestle or whatever else. As soon as you incorporate actually moving your body into your weekly, and ideally also daily routine, your health will improve and you will lose fat. So the main question is not "what is the most efficient exercise", but "what exercise will you actually keep on doing regularly"
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 16 2014 22:58 GMT
#490
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
SnipedSoul
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2158 Posts
July 17 2014 02:20 GMT
#491
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does


Lean muscle mass burns way more calories when you're at rest. It also makes you look damn good naked.
spkim1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada286 Posts
July 17 2014 07:46 GMT
#492
1. Educate
2. Convince/Persuade
3. Discipline
4. Persist

If you can last 8 hours a day not doing things you particularly want to do at that moment, you can last another hour a day, 5 times a week. Grit your teeth, do some cardio, do some intensive muscle training. No more obesity, no more stress about it. Come on, people ! It's not rocket science; if you want to stay healthy, do things healthy people do. Exercise regularly ! And stop complaining !
"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein, Albert
DrCooper
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany261 Posts
July 17 2014 08:15 GMT
#493
Remember, we are not talking about being a little overweight. We're talking about obesity. You can't blame nothing but yourself for being obese, and it really doesn't take much to not be obese.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 17 2014 09:33 GMT
#494
On July 17 2014 11:20 SnipedSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does


Lean muscle mass burns way more calories when you're at rest. It also makes you look damn good naked.

maybe you still believe muscles burn 50 cal per pound per day 'cause Dr.Oz said so.
...Claude Bouchard, an obesity researcher from the Pennington Biomedical Research Center, revealed that a pound of muscle, at rest, burns about six calories per day (and a pound of fat burns about two). That’s a far cry from the 50 calories per day figure “cited” by others. This number isn’t available in the abstract of some specific study. It’s drawn from extensive reading of the “biochemical and metabolic literature.

And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 17 2014 10:40 GMT
#495
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does

Happy to be disproved, but I can find multiple things like this:

“Many people believe that you rev up” your metabolism after an exercise session “so that you burn additional body fat throughout the day,” said Edward Melanson, Ph.D., an associate professor in the division of endocrinology at the School of Medicine and the lead author of the study. If afterburn were found to exist, it would suggest that even if you replaced the calories you used during an exercise session, you should lose weight, without gaining weight — the proverbial free lunch.

To their surprise, the researchers found that none of the groups, including the athletes, experienced “afterburn.” They did not use additional body fat on the day when they exercised. In fact, most of the subjects burned slightly less fat over the 24-hour study period when they exercised than when they did not.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
July 17 2014 11:39 GMT
#496
What about swimming ? I'm surprised it's never mentioned in this kind of discussions.
If you seek well, you shall find.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
July 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#497
Swimming has the disadvantage that you need to be at a swimming pool to do it. Other than that, it is obviously also very good. As far as i know it is actually especially good if you are overweight to begin with, as it puts a lot less stress onto your joints.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 17 2014 13:27 GMT
#498
On July 17 2014 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does

Happy to be disproved, but I can find multiple things like this:

“Many people believe that you rev up” your metabolism after an exercise session “so that you burn additional body fat throughout the day,” said Edward Melanson, Ph.D., an associate professor in the division of endocrinology at the School of Medicine and the lead author of the study. If afterburn were found to exist, it would suggest that even if you replaced the calories you used during an exercise session, you should lose weight, without gaining weight — the proverbial free lunch.

To their surprise, the researchers found that none of the groups, including the athletes, experienced “afterburn.” They did not use additional body fat on the day when they exercised. In fact, most of the subjects burned slightly less fat over the 24-hour study period when they exercised than when they did not.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Your quoted research is about burning "fat". The discussion is about calories.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 17 2014 14:11 GMT
#499
On July 17 2014 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does

Happy to be disproved, but I can find multiple things like this:

“Many people believe that you rev up” your metabolism after an exercise session “so that you burn additional body fat throughout the day,” said Edward Melanson, Ph.D., an associate professor in the division of endocrinology at the School of Medicine and the lead author of the study. If afterburn were found to exist, it would suggest that even if you replaced the calories you used during an exercise session, you should lose weight, without gaining weight — the proverbial free lunch.

To their surprise, the researchers found that none of the groups, including the athletes, experienced “afterburn.” They did not use additional body fat on the day when they exercised. In fact, most of the subjects burned slightly less fat over the 24-hour study period when they exercised than when they did not.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

There's this, "EPOC": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_post-exercise_oxygen_consumption

The German article has numbers: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPOC_(Sportwissenschaft)

That one suggests you might want to assume 26 liters of oxygen for this. I heard the rule of thumb to get kcal is to multiply by 5, so 26 * 5 = 130 kcal. That's a bit disappointing, but it's still there.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 14:47:05
July 17 2014 14:29 GMT
#500
On July 17 2014 22:27 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 19:40 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:
On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it)

no it doesn't

yes it does

Happy to be disproved, but I can find multiple things like this:

“Many people believe that you rev up” your metabolism after an exercise session “so that you burn additional body fat throughout the day,” said Edward Melanson, Ph.D., an associate professor in the division of endocrinology at the School of Medicine and the lead author of the study. If afterburn were found to exist, it would suggest that even if you replaced the calories you used during an exercise session, you should lose weight, without gaining weight — the proverbial free lunch.

To their surprise, the researchers found that none of the groups, including the athletes, experienced “afterburn.” They did not use additional body fat on the day when they exercised. In fact, most of the subjects burned slightly less fat over the 24-hour study period when they exercised than when they did not.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Your quoted research is about burning "fat". The discussion is about calories.


On July 16 2014 16:28 ShadeR wrote:
I find cardio to be entirely overrated. An exercise regime with progressive overload will have your body continue to burn calories for up to 72 hours after the fact.


What is this? I don't even? Calories is a measurement of energy, and fat is a substance that stores and releases energy. The human body tends to keep its carbohydrate levels steady. If you aren't losing fat, you aren't "burning" calories. Anyhow, it is up to you to show that such a weird ass concept as burning calories after certain exercises exists, not the other way round.

In the end, you should just eat less, exercise more. Not because you will lose wieght, but because you will be happier and healthier for it.

Edit: yeah sure, doing anaerobic excercise would increase your metabolism a little bit for a short time, but the effects are so minor to the actual excercise that they can be discarded as negligible. Anyways, you primarily don't do anaerobic excercise for the fat loss.
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