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On July 17 2014 18:33 xM(Z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 11:20 SnipedSoul wrote:On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it) no it doesn't yes it does Lean muscle mass burns way more calories when you're at rest. It also makes you look damn good naked. maybe you still believe muscles burn 50 cal per pound per day 'cause Dr.Oz said so. Show nested quote +...Claude Bouchard, an obesity researcher from the Pennington Biomedical Research Center, revealed that a pound of muscle, at rest, burns about six calories per day (and a pound of fat burns about two). That’s a far cry from the 50 calories per day figure “cited” by others. This number isn’t available in the abstract of some specific study. It’s drawn from extensive reading of the “biochemical and metabolic literature.
She can do as many studies as she wants, but she is wrong.
a 280 pound man eats twice as much as a 150 pound man (assume extra 100 pounds of lean mass, 30 of fat to make it somewhat realistic) , not 600 more calories
Also, the main benefit of lean mass is that you spend more energy (using/reparing muscles)
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Idk about any of you guys but personally jogging definitely decreased my fat more than weight lifting.
Weight lifting is too inconsistent for my taste. Jogging keeps the burn going for a straight 45 minutes.
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On July 17 2014 23:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 22:27 ShadeR wrote:On July 17 2014 19:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2014 07:58 Ropid wrote:On July 17 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2014 06:52 xM(Z wrote:
cardio increases the calories you burn when your body is in rest stage by a significant amount (it's not about the calories you burn while doing it) no it doesn't yes it does Happy to be disproved, but I can find multiple things like this: “Many people believe that you rev up” your metabolism after an exercise session “so that you burn additional body fat throughout the day,” said Edward Melanson, Ph.D., an associate professor in the division of endocrinology at the School of Medicine and the lead author of the study. If afterburn were found to exist, it would suggest that even if you replaced the calories you used during an exercise session, you should lose weight, without gaining weight — the proverbial free lunch.
To their surprise, the researchers found that none of the groups, including the athletes, experienced “afterburn.” They did not use additional body fat on the day when they exercised. In fact, most of the subjects burned slightly less fat over the 24-hour study period when they exercised than when they did not.http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/phys-ed-why-doesnt-exercise-lead-to-weight-loss/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 Your quoted research is about burning "fat". The discussion is about calories. Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 16:28 ShadeR wrote:
I find cardio to be entirely overrated. An exercise regime with progressive overload will have your body continue to burn calories for up to 72 hours after the fact. What is this? I don't even? Calories is a measurement of energy, and fat is a substance that stores and releases energy. The human body tends to keep its carbohydrate levels steady. If you aren't losing fat, you aren't "burning" calories. Anyhow, it is up to you to show that such a weird ass concept as burning calories after certain exercises exists, not the other way round. In the end, you should just eat less, exercise more. Not because you will lose wieght, but because you will be happier and healthier for it. Edit: yeah sure, doing anaerobic excercise would increase your metabolism a little bit for a short time, but the effects are so minor to the actual excercise that they can be discarded as negligible. Anyways, you primarily don't do anaerobic excercise for the fat loss.
The human body does not follow the simplistic idea that 'excess calories = fat'. The two are closely related but it is disingenuous to equate them.
Exercise resulting in muscle hypertrophy has continued caloric expenditure beyond the initial training period because the body requires energy to repair the micro tears to muscle fibers.
Additionally the increase in muscle mass raises a persons basal metabolic rate which can be helpful to obese people in particular because the amount of calories they need to cut to improve their body composition is less harsh.
I think that strength/weight training is superior to cardio if fat loss is the primary goal.
So it does not make sense to me when you claim that anaerobic exercise isn't for fat loss.
Edit: All said whatever exercise regime someone who is obese chooses, it is secondary to diet. Just stop eating 7000 calories a day.
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On July 17 2014 23:48 Xiphos wrote:
Idk about any of you guys but personally jogging definitely decreased my fat more than weight lifting.
Weight lifting is too inconsistent for my taste. Jogging keeps the burn going for a straight 45 minutes.
Well you don't burn fat only while exercising. You burn fat all day and you store fat all day. It's an ongoing process, your body doesn't stop at 12am and says (pretend to do a silly voice) "Ok lets see Jim. You consumed 2132 calories but only burned 2019. Therefor I will store the remaining calories as fat" Doesn't work that way.
But you know what? If jogging works for you, that is great. Keep at it, do it good, good job!
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On July 18 2014 04:14 DrCooper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 23:48 Xiphos wrote:
Idk about any of you guys but personally jogging definitely decreased my fat more than weight lifting.
Weight lifting is too inconsistent for my taste. Jogging keeps the burn going for a straight 45 minutes. Well you don't burn fat only while exercising. You burn fat all day and you store fat all day. It's an ongoing process, your body doesn't stop at 12am and says (pretend to do a silly voice) "Ok lets see Jim. You consumed 2132 calories but only burned 2019. Therefor I will store the remaining calories as fat" Doesn't work that way. But you know what? If jogging works for you, that is great. Keep at it, do it good, good job!
Why so condescending about jogging? You do get sore muscles after not running for a long time, so it will build up some muscles. It also uses both aerobic and anaerobic pathways a good bit and you can get your muscles' energy storage drained completely and properly feel like a wreck if running long and fast enough.
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On July 18 2014 04:52 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 04:14 DrCooper wrote:On July 17 2014 23:48 Xiphos wrote:
Idk about any of you guys but personally jogging definitely decreased my fat more than weight lifting.
Weight lifting is too inconsistent for my taste. Jogging keeps the burn going for a straight 45 minutes. Well you don't burn fat only while exercising. You burn fat all day and you store fat all day. It's an ongoing process, your body doesn't stop at 12am and says (pretend to do a silly voice) "Ok lets see Jim. You consumed 2132 calories but only burned 2019. Therefor I will store the remaining calories as fat" Doesn't work that way. But you know what? If jogging works for you, that is great. Keep at it, do it good, good job! Why so condescending about jogging? You do get sore muscles after not running for a long time, so it will build up some muscles. It also uses both aerobic and anaerobic pathways a good bit and you can get your muscles' energy storage drained completely and properly feel like a wreck if running long and fast enough.
Jogging, if we are defining it as medium intensity running over a period of time longer than 5 minutes, does not activate "anaerobic pathways", as it is the literal antithesis to anaerobic stimulus. Furthermore, soreness is not an indicator of muscle growth, so to suggest that the soreness which follows a return to jogging indicates muscle growth is folly.
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Personally I think jogging gives me more "gravitation bounce" in my body.
Say I jog for 5 km, I would have bounced for at least 5 thousands times at fast interval. If I simply were just to do my regular weight lifting of curl, bench, and dead lift, my digestive tract would have only shook about at the most 1 thousand times.
Jogging make sure that my digestive system is regulated and there isn't clog in the body. And as long as my body is able to fully digest food properly, that means there will be less leftover calories and nutrients to store as fat.
I shit y'all not bros.
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On July 18 2014 04:52 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 04:14 DrCooper wrote:On July 17 2014 23:48 Xiphos wrote:
Idk about any of you guys but personally jogging definitely decreased my fat more than weight lifting.
Weight lifting is too inconsistent for my taste. Jogging keeps the burn going for a straight 45 minutes. Well you don't burn fat only while exercising. You burn fat all day and you store fat all day. It's an ongoing process, your body doesn't stop at 12am and says (pretend to do a silly voice) "Ok lets see Jim. You consumed 2132 calories but only burned 2019. Therefor I will store the remaining calories as fat" Doesn't work that way. But you know what? If jogging works for you, that is great. Keep at it, do it good, good job! Why so condescending about jogging? You do get sore muscles after not running for a long time, so it will build up some muscles. It also uses both aerobic and anaerobic pathways a good bit and you can get your muscles' energy storage drained completely and properly feel like a wreck if running long and fast enough.
I didn't mean to sound condescending. Jogging is a great exercise. However it does not burn fat better or any worse than any other sport. (excluding e-sports and chess)
I guess my point is, find something that works for you. Whether it is jogging, swimming or rock climbing.
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One of the fastest ways to lose weight quick is by blending your food!
Find a diet or whatever where you blend your food. I heard of this book once and saw the guy on tv quite a few times who was behind this form of dieting and losing weight,but I don't remember his name. I only remember that he was bald so I hope that helps.
1st are you an ectomorph (Stick thin and hardly gains weight) endomorph (Peter griffin basically fat) or mesomorph (All around 50/50 not skinny not fat but you're not fit either)
From what I know and my experience you will not gain anything or lose anything by doing nothing so figure out a routine and try to stick with it. After that mix it up so you don't stagnate in your workouts on whatever you choose.
2nd Get positive! Find some influence or motivation to keep you going. This can even be negative influence by means of someone saying you can never accomplish a certain goal. Mine was that last bit and the anime Baki the grappler (LMAO) I do not know what got into my head but I needed to workout after watching it!
I used to run up and down my hallway in my building for 5 minutes a day after work. I gradually raised it to 20 mins and would do a series of workouts after the run. This included suicides, stair climbing, dips, pull ups (rarely), and many variations of sit ups and the use of dumbbells. For the sit ups just get creative there are many different styles my personal favorite is lying flat, arms up, sit up and try and touch my toes if feel like it.
3rd resting everybody needs to rest you're going to have to figure that out on your own and what you are comfortable with. I used to give myself 30 seconds between reps. I soon found that it was too long of a rest for me. So I now do a rep count to 15 then do another. I also decrease that by 5, so sometimes going 15, 10, 5, and done.
4th find areas in your life when you can workout. For example when I was waiting for people to ready up in a game on xbox I'd grab a dumbbell and lift it until we were in the game.
After about 2 months I had results but to this day I didn't keep them because guess what I got lazy! Not really I suffered some injuries such as twisted knee but not from working out.
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The argument over which exercise is best is rather irrelevant since most people don't do any exercise and would probably see a big benefit from simply walking for half an hour a day.
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On July 17 2014 20:42 Simberto wrote:
Swimming has the disadvantage that you need to be at a swimming pool to do it. Other than that, it is obviously also very good. As far as i know it is actually especially good if you are overweight to begin with, as it puts a lot less stress onto your joints.
I'd assume it > jogging if you're frequently doing both. Just from the joint strain perspective, intuitively I would figure that pounding your body weight alternating leg to leg on concrete might not be optimal.
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Also swimming burns way more calories.
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A recent study showed that parents cannot tell anymore if their kids are overweight or not.
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On May 14 2015 05:53 helpman173 wrote:A recent study showed that parents cannot tell anymore if their kids are overweight or not.
its easy: if a child could appear in a prada commercial it has the right weight.
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Please don't bring the unscientific, completely psychologically made up ''Ecto, Meso and Endo-morphs'' into this. body types like that do not exist and they give people a false sense of justification. ''Hardgainers'' don't exist. It's not like Starcraft. Some people are just genetically slightly favored, (and everyone has a different bone structure) but your metabolism is simply the law of thermodynamics, nothing more or less.
The reason why weightlifting is so good is because it keeps your body's metabolism up in resting state. So indirectly it burns a lot more calories that initially, and apart from that as well as making you lose fat, it makes you gain muscle, essentially ''doubling'' the perceivable effect. (obviously this isn't fully true as you gain muscle quite a bit slower than you lose fat, but still.)
A healthy diet is #1 way to lose weight though. You cannot out-exercise a shitty diet, is what's often said and it's true. You see those guys with 6-pack abs? They didn't weight lift years to get there. They just ate very little (and probably carb-starved themselves).
Being fat or thin is just a calculation, really. If your TDEE is X, then eat below X and you will lose fat over time. Eat over that, and you'll gain fat. It's as simple as that. Weight lifting increases your lean mass ratio (and helps slightly with burning calories) and cardiovascular exercise takes care of some extra calories (Either allowing you to eat SLIGHTLY more or to lose slightly more weight.) Don't overestimate this though.
3500kcal in deficit = 1lb.
As a final point, what a lot of studies and influential people have said, if you want to lose weight, do two things.
1. Fix your diet. Eat at or below your maintenance. Lower your carb intake, increase your protein intake.
2. When you wake up, go walk for half an hour or an hour on an empty stomach. This increases fat burn (after a certain amount of time the exercise will stop burning fat as much, so don't walk too long before eating)
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On July 18 2014 05:47 Xiphos wrote:
Personally I think jogging gives me more "gravitation bounce" in my body.
Say I jog for 5 km, I would have bounced for at least 5 thousands times at fast interval. If I simply were just to do my regular weight lifting of curl, bench, and dead lift, my digestive tract would have only shook about at the most 1 thousand times.
Jogging make sure that my digestive system is regulated and there isn't clog in the body. And as long as my body is able to fully digest food properly, that means there will be less leftover calories and nutrients to store as fat.
I shit y'all not bros.
Is there any basis to this? I have been having trouble digesting lately and if this really helps...
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On May 14 2015 21:35 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 05:47 Xiphos wrote:
Personally I think jogging gives me more "gravitation bounce" in my body.
Say I jog for 5 km, I would have bounced for at least 5 thousands times at fast interval. If I simply were just to do my regular weight lifting of curl, bench, and dead lift, my digestive tract would have only shook about at the most 1 thousand times.
Jogging make sure that my digestive system is regulated and there isn't clog in the body. And as long as my body is able to fully digest food properly, that means there will be less leftover calories and nutrients to store as fat.
I shit y'all not bros. Is there any basis to this? I have been having trouble digesting lately and if this really helps...
Try it out? Walk half an hour a day for two weeks or so, see if that helps.
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On May 14 2015 21:35 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2014 05:47 Xiphos wrote:
Personally I think jogging gives me more "gravitation bounce" in my body.
Say I jog for 5 km, I would have bounced for at least 5 thousands times at fast interval. If I simply were just to do my regular weight lifting of curl, bench, and dead lift, my digestive tract would have only shook about at the most 1 thousand times.
Jogging make sure that my digestive system is regulated and there isn't clog in the body. And as long as my body is able to fully digest food properly, that means there will be less leftover calories and nutrients to store as fat.
I shit y'all not bros. Is there any basis to this? I have been having trouble digesting lately and if this really helps...
Depends what you mean by "trouble digesting", but yeah intestinal pain & associated pleasant things like constipation are favored by a sedentary lifestyle while running/walking/not sitting tend to reduce them. The reason is that when you're sitting, your abs are relaxed, thus your viscera are less tightly held and a "smooth", pain-free intestinal transit is more difficult to do for your body. The opposite effect is realized when your abs are (moderatly) contracted when running/walking. (there's also the potential side effect of sport increasing self-confidence, thus decreasing stress, which could lead to less digestion problems)
So yeah, it's legit. Do moderate activity though, going too hard on your body while digesting will only make you throw up^^
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On May 14 2015 21:02 Thalandros wrote:
Being fat or thin is just a calculation, really.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree with you. I eat mostly-well and exercise, both cardio and weights, play sports, etc. But being an endomorph is actually a thing (read Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia) and there's nothing I can do about it. I'll be pudgy forever. That's just my body's static-resting point for my given lean diet and regular exercise.
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(jk lol, I'm actually skinny and in good shape)
ANYWAYS... I agree with you, but I think some of the reason people are fat is psychological. In the sense that their perception of self is different, or they're addicted to certain tastes, whether it be a sweet/salty tooth, beer, or whatever.
I think most people get that eating less (+exercise) = weighing less, it's just they can't **psychologically** do it. They HAVE to give into their addiction of eating salt/sugar. So even though they get the basic point of eating less, they can't mentally do it.
Its like me in school trying to start an assignment the day I get it. Earlier assignment start probably equals better learning, but I can't man, gotta doto.
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Though I'm in good shape, I'm a sugar addict.
And believe me, sugar is the worst addiction ever.
I was a heavy smoker for about 5 years and I could quit from one day to the other, no big deal.
But sugar, this is some fucked up shit!
It's everywhere and it is socially accepted!
The food industry uses sugar in small amounts to get people addicted to their products.
This makes it ridiculously hard to stay away from it.
Small amounts of sugar every day would be perfectly fine.
But it is just not feasible to keep that up due to OVERABUNDANCE.
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