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Simberto
Germany11484 Posts
But i also think that a lot of fat people would prefer to not be fat. Thus, they should be given the necessary tools to help them solve their problems. The idea that being fat is a good thing is kind of weird though. It is not. But a lot of things that people do are not a good idea. Smoking, drinking, driving at 200 km/h. Being fat should be treated similar to those in my opinion. | ||
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G3CKO
Canada1430 Posts
Nah sometimes you need the extra push. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
And it was not fat shaming, it was a good friend helping him with dieting (he didn't just write those text messages, they talked about the diet, and what to do), he wasn't antagonizing and belittleing him, he was lifting him up, quite the contrary from the bullying discussed in the thread. | ||
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helpman173
20 Posts
- Taxes on sugar and unhealthy food - Let people pay patient contributions - Nationwide fat-shaming campaigns - Obesity-prevention in schools - Tax reductions for the healthy - Desk jobs required to have half hour "fitness breaks" | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
especially shaming campaings and tax reductions for the healthy psychologically punishing people that already have problems and rewarding people that are already lucky does nothing but exacerbate the problem. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On May 16 2015 21:35 helpman173 wrote: Ways to solve the obesity problem: - Taxes on sugar and unhealthy food - Let people pay patient contributions - Nationwide fat-shaming campaigns - Obesity-prevention in schools - Tax reductions for the healthy - Desk jobs required to have half hour "fitness breaks" Tax reduction for the healthy is ethically unjustifiable because genetic factors in one's health, thus you'd be creating government-induced inequality based on genetics, which leaves the door open for terrible abuse of the system. Taxes on sugar and unhealthy food are unlikely to happen because of lobbies. Fat shaming is bad, most fat people are already ashamed of being fat. Obesity prevention, as well as better food + more sport, in schools is good. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
He fired an overweight worker, she sued, he argued that obesity is a contagious disease and a danger to his employees safety, and the judge ruled in my bosses favor. Here's a study on contagious obesity: http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/newsrel/soc/07-07ObesityIK-.asp | ||
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puerk
Germany855 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
On May 16 2015 07:13 SixStrings wrote: Fat acceptance is super important because there's so much fat shaming out there. I'm not condoning a fat lifestyle, but I doubt making fun of chubsters and treating them like they are garbage does anything to help the issue. I don't know about more progressive countries, but in Germany there are TV shows dedicated to fat-shaming, which is absolutely disgusting, because it points to the fact that there's an audience for that. I don't know, if we assume that fat people are a fa(c)t of life, I'd much rather have them be happy and retain some of their dignity rather than getting them more depressed by shaming them. And it's certainly not the "biggest problem". Sedetary lifestyles are the biggest problem. American low quality food is the second biggest problem (and will be our second biggest problem as well, once TTIP is done and dusted). I don't think fat acceptance is super important. Fat acceptance is a movement which relies on pure fabricated delusion. The motto is "it's OK to be fat". No. It is not. Although I do agree with you when you say fat shaming is bad. It's the other end of the spectrum, really. Accepting fat and pretending it's not unhealthy, ignoring science and promotion delusion is bad, but hate does not solve anything. Never has, and never will. There has to be a middle ground. We should be able to point out, without reproach, that fat is unhealthy. Because it is the truth. | ||
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Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
On May 17 2015 02:05 D-light wrote: I was fat, now I am fit. How I did it? Like some other people ! I stay away from animal products and as much as I can from processed food, I eat like 0.7 - 1 grams per protein per kilogram body weight for a day, I drink around 3-4 liters of water. I also try to do at least 3, better 4 training sessions, be it riding my bike or just simple running and bodyweight exercises. I am not with the looks of a professional athlete because I'm mostly focusing on other things than looks. If I can force myself to do it (and I one lazy ass bum btw), I think most sane people can. And it's getting easier and easier for me, I am not constantly torn apart by my desire to live longer and my sincere love for unhealthy food any more. And now I manage somehow. You sound like a skinny hippie nerd. That can't be healthy bro. Better eat bacon& 2 grams protein/lbs, lift heavy and go keto. Better to have at least some fat and muscle than have an unhealthy look like that. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Obesity is a big problem in our society right now. Every year thousands of people around the world die of obesity-related causes. Furthermore the life of fat person is undeniably harder than that of a fit person. The worst part? Obesity is not slowing down. It is estimated that in the UK 74% of men and 64% of women will be overweight by 2030. [*] Everyone knows being overweight and obesity in general are clear problems, and objectively bad things, but these conditions are on the rise instead of slowing down, and for me this is a clear example of when education fails. Countries like the United States have among the highest obesity rates in the world, and people can’t excuse themselves by saying they don’t know. While in the case of other health conditions, particularly virus and diseases like AIDS, education has been shown to be enough to reduce dramatically the number of people infected by it, in the case of obesity it hasn’t worked. You know being overweight is bad, I know it’s bad, my overweight father knows is bad. But they don’t care. What if we made them care? You can’t say it’s just their problem, as all the diseases caused by obesity need to have resources devoted to them. Your government set up a clinic to help overweight people fight diabetes? Well, guess who is paying for it? You with your taxes. A father that dies leaving children behind, all of it because he couldn’t stop himself from eating thrash. I could write a thousand pages about why obesity is bad for everyone, but you all already know why. Is there something people can do? I’ve been thinking that maybe the government's need to do something stupidly radical, that is so dumb it might just work. For example, what if governments banned Childhood Obesity? Stupid right? but let's think about it. Children are one of the groups most vulnerable to being obese, and the worst part is that most of the times it’s not even in their control. You can’t blame a kid for being fat if their fathers buy them trash food all the time.A fat children, unless they have a particular condition that makes them more prone to be overweight, is a direct consequence of bad eating habits caused by bad parenting. The parents are probably screwing their children for life, is that fair? What if the government made something radical, like banning childhood obesity forcing their fathers to teach healthy habits to their children, or else they are fined or forced to send them in the evenings to some special places where they excercises and are thought good habits, and if the fathers don’t understand after a year or two, outright taking the kids away from them as they are hurting the child's forever. Why not ban all obesity? Well, you can’t ask that, as it would have even less chances of working as banning childhood obesity. Adults work and have way less free time than kids. But if we force people to teach kids to develop healthy habits, they will grow with those habits and while it won’t eradicate 100% the problem it will reduce it immensely. TL;DR Education has failed. People know being fat is bad, they just don’t care. Do we need to find ways to make them care? Even if you think my idea is stupid (which I kind of agree..but I think we need that kind of stuff before my kids are born into a worl where being obese is the norm), do you think stronger meassures should be taken? Sources: + Show Spoiler + http://www.worldobesity.org/resources/world-map-obesity/ http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/05/obesity-crisis-projections-uk-2030-men-women http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/05/13/aje.kwv084.short http://www.cdc.gov/healthyschools/obesity/facts.htm | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
There are a lot of things that we can do to prevent obesity : - Yearly wealth exam for people asking for benefits, if these people are obese, ask them to lose weight. If they haven't lost like 10lbs the year after, cut the benefit. - Remove child benefit for children bellow 14yo if the child is obese. - Publics campaigns that explain that eating healthy is actually cheaper than going to fast food. - Adding extra sport hours in school program, or health course which explain dietetary, health benefit, etc.. - Providing benefit for each child doing a sport outside of school there is a lot of stuff one can do. I remember how well ads about drinking milk or using margarin instead of butter have changed the usual dietetary habbit of people, why not doing the same for actual good thing ? In france, they banned very underweight models, I think they should also ban obese model, eventhough I don't think they really exist in Europe. But I remember the Dove ads on TV where some girls were obviously more than overweight. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Just try it yourself with mc donalds,if you normally do not go there. If you eat their burgers every day you will get addicted to them and start craving for them. Only once you stopped eating them for several days you will notice how horrible they are. Then there is also the drug effect,digesting food makes you feel relaxed and somewhat subdued, specially if its large amounts of food. You just sit there eating and digesting while in a sort of happy trance. In that sense it is somewhat similar to softdrugs But ya,the problem is in the food first, and with the people themselves 2nd. The food it becomes a vicious circle,it has all characteristics of an addiction. Eating red meat for example makes your more vulnerable to all sorts of adictions in general. But problem with many obese people is, they do not care anymore. And its impossible to help someone who does not care any more. No amount of information will make them change their habits. They know its bad. They have been fighting obesitas for quiet a while now in the usa and the problem only grows. That indicates that the current methods do not work and might even have a negative effect. My suggestion would be to look closely at the food of the burger chains and closely examine all ingredients found,maybe some ingredients that have addictive characteristics should be removed. | ||
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